View Full Version : The "Still no power after Irene" club!
Yep - still no power. Going on 30 hours - and I'm STILL not panicked. :)
I actually kind of dig it. No power, no computers, no noise. Sure the food in the refrigerator is spoiling, but hey, it's all part of the experience.
How am I online? Macbook Pro with its kick-ass 7-hour battery life tethered to my iPhone. It won't last forever, but it's a fix. :)
I actually enjoy the serene quiet of the post-storm air when the power is out. Well, I used to. Now I have to listen to the obnoxious note of my neighbor's generator. I can't even see my neighbor (we live in the woods), but his generator just hums along like a lawn mower running 24x7. No one consumes more power than me - I have a server farm in my garage and seven other computers in the house - but I refuse to pray to the god of power. Needless to say, my wife covets their generator.
Last night we played Chess and Scrabble and cards, all by candlelight while being serenaded by the steady drone of my neighbor's Home Depot generator.
I need to go fetch some water from the creek so my wife stops using the 5 gal. Poland Spring bottles to flush the toilets. :messedup
28 hours here. Went to bed at 9pm last night. Simply NOTHING to do.
RussB
08-29-2011, 10:12 AM
Lost power at 4:30 am sunday...looks like a few more days before its back on. I live near where I work, and there's no power there either. This sucks...
...but I did win the TGP giveaway! :)
taez555
08-29-2011, 10:16 AM
Been out since a bit before 10am Sunday and they're now saying it may be out a few days.
Oh well, at least I've got food, alcohol and many guitars. :-)
Bobby D
08-29-2011, 10:18 AM
hope you get power soon GAD -- but it's kinda cool you're still online :beer
Bozak
08-29-2011, 10:28 AM
Same outage here, and same annoying guy with cheap, noisy, outdoor generator behind us, dreaming of his death, during the 1 hour of sleep I got while that thing rattles away in the night, asshole.
coldfingaz
08-29-2011, 10:33 AM
No power in CT for over 24 hours now & it could be days before it's restored.
My wife has it worse, though. She's down in NC & they're well over 48 hours now & probably have several days more in front of them. I've lost touch with her now for over 24 hours.
Larry Esposito
08-29-2011, 10:36 AM
Yep - still no power. Going on 30 hours - and I'm STILL not panicked. :)
I actually kind of dig it. No power, no computers, no noise. Sure the food in the refrigerator is spoiling, but hey, it's all part of the experience.
Yup, thats about how long it has been for us here in CT. We had fun as a family last night, pool, cards password...
The fridge thing has got me worried. We just went to BJs last week.
bjjp2
08-29-2011, 10:42 AM
Yep - still no power. Going on 30 hours - and I'm STILL not panicked. :)
I actually kind of dig it. No power, no computers, no noise. Sure the food in the refrigerator is spoiling, but hey, it's all part of the experience.
How am I online? Macbook Pro with its kick-ass 7-hour battery life tethered to my iPhone. It won't last forever, but it's a fix. :)
I actually enjoy the serene quiet of the post-storm air when the power is out. Well, I used to. Now I have to listen to the obnoxious note of my neighbor's generator. I can't even see my neighbor (we live in the woods), but his generator just hums along like a lawn mower running 24x7. No one consumes more power than me - I have a server farm in my garage and seven other computers in the house - but I refuse to pray to the god of power. Needless to say, my wife covets their generator.
Last night we played Chess and Scrabble and cards, all by candlelight while being serenaded by the steady drone of my neighbor's Home Depot generator.
I need to go fetch some water from the creek so my wife stops using the 5 gal. Poland Spring bottles to flush the toilets. :messedup
Hey, aren't you the same guy who started the thread making fun of everybody for buying flashlights and water? :messedup
atquinn
08-29-2011, 10:58 AM
No power since 2:15 am Sunday morning. Water is not affected. Neither is the stovetop (it's gas, so I just light it with matches). The only real annoyance is the lack of refrigerator/freezer. If it was just me and my wife, I wouldn't care; we'd just eat out all the time. But it's definitely more of a problem with a 4 yr old and a 2yr old in the house. Don't expect to have it back until the last half of week; hopefully I'm not being optimistic.
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Austin
voorhiessa
08-29-2011, 11:01 AM
No power for 6 days after Katrina.....90-95 degree temps.
NO power for 4 days after Gustav....70-75 degree temps.......stuck on my road for 3 days due to flooding.
The temperature makes a WORLD of difference on how enjoyable the "roughin it" can be. :)
________
I always wonder about the generator thinking. Sure you can keep the food in your fridge, but wouldnt it be cheaper to let the food go, rather than spend $$ on gas? And besides, like the OP mentioned, the noise drives me insane.
msr13
08-29-2011, 11:24 AM
Still down, most likely until tomorrow or Wednesday. The Mohawk and Hudson Rivers are now reaching flood capacity-- and in certain place have flooded-- so the power companies are prioritizing those areas for safety.
axelfoley
08-29-2011, 11:57 AM
Lost it at 10 am yesterday. not expecting it back for days from what I hear. I am one of those aholes with a generator but I have a fridge and additional freezer with food to feed my family of six, don't really want to rebuy all that stuff and my basement will flood without the pump.
I haven't plugged my amp into it though........can't say the idea hasn't been swimming around in my head.
RichieD
08-29-2011, 12:09 PM
Oh well, at least I've got many guitars. :-)
I haven't plugged my amp into it though........can't say the idea hasn't been swimming around in my head.
I'm thinking it's a great time to get more acquainted with your acoustic guitars (if you have them).
Glad to hear everyone is safe.
brett s
08-29-2011, 12:45 PM
My Dad lives in Waverly VA, an old Army buddy in Newport News - they're both saying likely 2 weeks before power is restored. At least they have generators.
That's how long it took after the last hurricane that hit my Dad's area (Isabel) too, not fun at all when it's 90 degrees.
baxen
08-29-2011, 12:55 PM
You don't have to run your generator 24/7 to keep your food safe. Its not a bad idea to give the gen a rest for a few hours while you sleep. Its not hard or expensive to rig a improvised sound deflector with stuff you have laying around. Be careful not to restrict air flow around the unit for cooling though. In a urban or suburban environment you can only do so much but if you have some space between dwellings you can really make a difference.
8Painting
08-29-2011, 01:03 PM
You'd think you people would be bumpin' uglies with your SO's rather than whining about nothing to do.
You don't need electricity for that shit.
Gasp100
08-29-2011, 01:06 PM
That sucks... it is ironic that you posted the original topic about people freaking out over supplies... but, you're roughing it in good spirits so that's all that counts. Good luck and hopefully power will be resumed soon!
cottoneyedjoe
08-29-2011, 01:21 PM
Stop your whining. You could have a tree through your house.
Like me....
But at least I kept power!
I'm still out after +/- 30 hours in New Hampshire, but at least I'm the jerk with 2 generators running 24/7 and I've got an amazing acoustic.
cottoneyedjoe
08-29-2011, 01:42 PM
I'm still out after +/- 30 hours in New Hampshire, but at least I'm the jerk with 2 generators running 24/7 and I've got an amazing acoustic.
More picking time. That is awesome.
arthur rotfeld
08-29-2011, 01:48 PM
We lost half the electricity in the peak of the storm. The rest went last night, for whatever reason. We wimped out and checked into the folks' place at noon today. Word is Thursday for power to be restored.
art_z
08-29-2011, 02:05 PM
lost it round 11am Sunday. Latest update is to restore around 9pm tonight. We'll see.
axelfoley
08-29-2011, 02:10 PM
We just got it back in Eliot, ME
coldfingaz
08-29-2011, 02:22 PM
lost it round 11am Sunday. Latest update is to restore around 9pm tonight. We'll see.
I was OK in Bethlehem, but my son (who's less than a mile away) hasn't had power since yesterday morning.
Flogger59
08-29-2011, 02:36 PM
The power in south shore Montreal went out yesterday around 2pm. We got it back today around 1pm.
Gargloic
08-29-2011, 03:33 PM
Laval, north of Montreal here.
I lost it sunday at 2pm and got it back past midnight.
I played acoustic guitar which I hadn't done in months (years)
We ate Chinese fondue. It was cool.
I would have done barbecue but with all the rain...
Gargloic
coldfingaz
08-29-2011, 04:14 PM
Back in the power groove in CT (though I think they still have quite a bit of work to do up here)... think I'll plug in tonight! :rockin
Doug's Tubes
08-29-2011, 04:44 PM
No power here in parts of Wantagh and Levittown..........waiting.....waiting.....
Thought I would visit Starbucks and catch up on some emails.
coldfingaz
08-29-2011, 04:46 PM
No power here in parts of Wantagh and Levittown..........waiting.....waiting.....
Thought I would visit Starbucks and catch up on some emails.
Man, I used to live right there. We bought our first house off Wantagh Ave in Levittown back in '93... the "S" section.
Hope you guys get back up & running soon, Doug!
7pm. Still no power. Got the grill fired up. Found some ice. Found some beer. No generator next door all day.
Went to Starbucks to mooch some power. It was PACKED. No suprise. So we tooled around a bit while the inverter charged stuff in the car.
Fired up the tractor and filled up some jugs of water for the toilets. Thats good livin' right there!
As for flashlights, I have many. I mock those who panic that they dont have any while the storm is upon us. I have enough candles, glowsticks, flashlights and lithium batteries to last a month.
Its funny. For the most part, I don't miss the Internet (he says on the Internet with his iphone)
It's amazing how long my acoustic rings in the absolute quiet.
Oh well. Gotta get the charcoal going.
willc68
08-29-2011, 05:37 PM
We lost power for long enough that I had to reset the time on the stove and microwave.
Day three without power.
My kids have come to actually like it, since we sit around the candles at night and play games as a family. I'm starting to think that power is over-rated. Well, except for the hot showers. I wouldn't mind a hot shower.
It's so easy to get distracted by our latest electronic toys. Not being able to use them for about 99% of the day puts things into perspective.
mbargav
08-30-2011, 08:59 AM
Day three without power.
My kids have come to actually like it, since we sit around the candles at night and play games as a family. I'm starting to think that power is over-rated. Well, except for the hot showers. I wouldn't mind a hot shower.
It's so easy to get distracted by our latest electronic toys. Not being able to use them for about 99% of the day puts things into perspective.
Said the guy on a web forum. :)
msr13
08-30-2011, 09:20 AM
They said we are looking at Thursday night...
Said the guy on a web forum. :)
That I swore I'd give up! :)
Oh well. Off to the creek to fetch some more water. Man, toilets waste a lot of water!
Graffiti Rover
08-30-2011, 10:15 AM
I'm in Smithtown, LI. We got hammered. There are tons of trees down. Apparently, the majority of the LIPA customers have no power. Rumor is 95% of the customers will have power by Friday or Saturday.
I live in a community where the house are 40 feet apart. My neighbor's son is in a wheelchair. I believe he was a fireman and was injured on the job. They have 5000+ square foot home and a generator that can run the whole house. There's an elevator going from the basement to the 2nd floor and a therapy pool in the basement. This generator is very loud and basically shakes my house. It is very tough to get some rest, but I will never complain.
speakerjones
08-30-2011, 11:13 AM
Out since around 4:30 a.m. on Sunday. My town and all surrounding towns are 100% dark. 22 poles down and 85 streets closed due to downed lines or trees. I still haven't seen any crews out working, though the town got some of the trees cleared out of the main routes in and out of town. I sent the wife and daughter up to my in-laws who had power, but then they lost it around midnight last night when a transformer blew. I'm holding down the fort with the animals. Bathtubs full, plenty of batteries and bottled water. Power's on at work, so I can shower here. Not so bad really. It's an inconvenience, but could have been so much worse.
Yep - still no power. Going on 30 hours - and I'm STILL not panicked. :)
I actually kind of dig it. No power, no computers, no noise. Sure the food in the refrigerator is spoiling, but hey, it's all part of the experience.
How am I online? Macbook Pro with its kick-ass 7-hour battery life tethered to my iPhone. It won't last forever, but it's a fix. :)
I actually enjoy the serene quiet of the post-storm air when the power is out. Well, I used to. Now I have to listen to the obnoxious note of my neighbor's generator. I can't even see my neighbor (we live in the woods), but his generator just hums along like a lawn mower running 24x7. No one consumes more power than me - I have a server farm in my garage and seven other computers in the house - but I refuse to pray to the god of power. Needless to say, my wife covets their generator.
Last night we played Chess and Scrabble and cards, all by candlelight while being serenaded by the steady drone of my neighbor's Home Depot generator.
I need to go fetch some water from the creek so my wife stops using the 5 gal. Poland Spring bottles to flush the toilets. :messedup
After Hurricane Ike hit the Houston area.... we went three weeks without power at my house... 3 weeks!
Luckily my sister only went 1 week, so we spent two weeks crammed into their house... with AC...
Doug's Tubes
08-30-2011, 12:47 PM
Man, I used to live right there. We bought our first house off Wantagh Ave in Levittown back in '93... the "S" section.
Hope you guys get back up & running soon, Doug!
Swan Lane?
They're still down, and they were told Friday.
We haven't heard a thing or seen a LIPA truck. From what I understand, they've closed all their customer walk-in centers and won't answer the phone.
It's pretty pathetic.
mwc2112
08-30-2011, 03:03 PM
After Hurricane Ike hit the Houston area.... we went three weeks without power at my house... 3 weeks!
That sucks! We only had 4 days without. First night we stayed in the house. Next 3 we stayed with friends. Too hot otherwise (especially with an under-2 year old in the house).
coldfingaz
08-30-2011, 03:53 PM
Swan Lane?
They're still down, and they were told Friday.
We haven't heard a thing or seen a LIPA truck. From what I understand, they've closed all their customer walk-in centers and won't answer the phone.
It's pretty pathetic.
Close to it... Star Lane, right at the corner of Sunrise Lane.
Sounds like LIPA hasn't learned much from LILCO's failures.
msr13
08-30-2011, 04:11 PM
I am happy! The power came back on. Hopefully, everyone else's will too, soon.
lspaulsp
08-30-2011, 04:37 PM
IKE blew thru on Fri. The people across the street got power on Tues (they're on the grid with the sewer plant).
It was the next Friday for us. 6,000 watt gen. uses 14 gal a day 14 x $4.50
bilbal
08-30-2011, 04:56 PM
We just got power back this afternoon here - (CT/RI border). It was off since 4:00am Sunday. Sunday and Monday evenings were spent playing acoustic in my candle-lit living room. Once the power came back I plugged in my SLO and cranked it for a cpl hours!!! :)
Josh O
08-30-2011, 07:26 PM
Been out since 7:00 am Sunday.....no generator either but hey still got running water, staying connected to the world via iPhone. No idea when it will be fixed......
Hand of Doom
08-30-2011, 10:27 PM
I got soooooo tired of the heat after the outage Ike caused. I guess it would be a different story if it was cooler and there were places that DID have power. 98 and humid makes it hard to enjoy anything.
JohnQ
08-31-2011, 08:41 AM
Went out Saturday morning around 8 am here. Finally came back on around 5 pm yesterday evening. I didn't miss it since I was outside clearing road ways and answering fire calls. Wife and kids didn't like it much but no one complained. At least we had running water and the nights were somewhat cool.
Still no power here, which is what... day four? One more day and it will be the longest we've been without power in the 15 years we've lived here.
Hauled all the spoiled food up to the curb in the very full garbage container yesterday. That pissed my wife off. She is now talking about getting a built-in generator so it never happens again. We'll see what she thinks of the price tag when the power is back on.
Managed to go to her mom's house last night. She lives an hour away, but we dropped the kids off so we could go see ZZ-Top (who rocked). Took a shower there, so at least we're clean. :)
arthur rotfeld
08-31-2011, 09:30 AM
GAD, you can probably get reimbursed for food (receipts or photos).
Bozak
08-31-2011, 09:52 AM
Same here, day four, and from day one there have been zero maintenance trucks about, the outage stats are dropping so slowly that I think Friday is being optimistic, we may see Labor Day weekend with no power and if so I may get nasty, I live near a large soccer arena with multiple fields lit up with numerous stadium lights, a total slap in the face watching these clowns run around having fun at night while the power from just one of those bulbs could save our food and give us showers, I think I may take out one bulb for every day I'm out over the holiday weekend.
Same here, day four, and from day one there have been zero maintenance trucks about, the outage stats are dropping so slowly that I think Friday is being optimistic, we may see Labor Day weekend with no power and if so I may get nasty, I live near a large soccer arena with multiple fields lit up with numerous stadium lights, a total slap in the face watching these clowns run around having fun at night while the power from just one of those bulbs could save our food and give us showers, I think I may take out one bulb for every day I'm out over the holiday weekend.
I think there's a bit of flawed logic there on your part.
I am on day four with no power also. My whole town is pretty much still out. If I did not have a three year old i guess it wouldn't be that big of a deal other than all the food I threw away. Having lived through the Blizzard of '78, Gloria, Bob, and a dozen other tropical storms, blizzards and Nor'easters, I must say I am utterly perplexed as to why it is taking so long to restore power from this storm. The damage in my area is not that bad. I am guessing it's because National Grid laid off it's groundlevel workers and cancelled preventative maintenance programs to boost profits...
Doug's Tubes
08-31-2011, 12:45 PM
Close to it... Star Lane, right at the corner of Sunrise Lane.
Sounds like LIPA hasn't learned much from LILCO's failures.
We got our power back yesterday evening at 7pm and internet service this afternoon.
scottl
08-31-2011, 12:50 PM
I have a generator you can borrow if you want to drive to Cherry Hill.....
Tonekat
08-31-2011, 12:53 PM
I just saw some guy on TV who's heading to the Northeast with a tractor trailer full of deoderant. Say's he's asking 50 bucks a can.
dangerine49
08-31-2011, 06:49 PM
We were out from 1:00 AM Sunday until 7:30 PM last night. Snuck out to Panera Bread to check emails and charge up cell phones a couple of times. Worst part was the cold showers.
I have a generator you can borrow if you want to drive to Cherry Hill.....
Thanks! Nice offer.
We just got power back on. 4.5 days without. Sadly, I think I liked it better without power. At least the generator noise is gone!
Hope everyone else is getting there's back soon.
leray1
08-31-2011, 08:28 PM
Hang in there. I lived in Abita Springs, LA when Katrina hit. We were out of power for over two weeks.
Josh O
08-31-2011, 09:03 PM
Still out here, going on close to day 5. I too remember Blizzard '78 (week sort of I was only six! :)), Gloria and Bob and some ancillary nasty tree breaking t-storms and nasty nor'easters living on the shoreline and I've never seen it like this. I am still thankful no house damage, family is doing well and we have running water but I'm starting to get irritated. I can look out my window and see power right down the road from me, people who never lost it during or after the storm. No sign of utility trucks in my locale. Nothing but lip service from the power company. I know there are crews out there working busting their asses for us, I have nothing but utmost respect for the guys on the scene such as the linemen and the tree removal service people. They are risking their lives for us. What I don't have respect for is how the power company themselves is handling this altogether. There are running kudos and complaints running on Facebook everytime the local news posts something about power restoration progress. Some of those that are complaining have legitimate gripes and there are those who will argue with them telling things could be worse, you're lucky to have your home, you had plenty of time to prepare etc. All valid arguments but I offer this, the power company had plenty of time to prepare for this too. We were told all week it was coming and the storm ended up being less severe than what was predicted for CT. So I have to ask, what did the power company really prepare for, a rain storm with a little wind???? It was supposed to be a Cat 1 storm when it hit the CT shoreline, it hit us as a tropical storm, a pretty destructive one for sure but what if we did get sustained 90+ MPH winds and the flooding??? What we talkin Armageddon, no power for months??? Back to the stone ages??? My god. It's easy for me to Monday morning quarterback how this should've played out but it sure seems to me they got caught with their pants down on this one and now we all suffer. Sure I could've bought a big ass generator before the storm but quite frankly, the media set the panic mode off and there was no way of getting one anyways around this area in a timely manner. And then I read in a local paper today the headlines of how much the proposed cost to fix this is and that the power company will try to get it back which could mean future rate hikes. Now I live in the real world, I know utilities are in the business to make money not give it away and something has to pay the pricetag but man, when there are almost 300,000 people in CT still without power, don't come out with the "here's the cost to cover the repairs which we will most likely lass on to you and yes I know you don't have power and we don't know when you'll be getting it"
Sorry, I'm just venting, things could definetely be a helluva lot worse and if these are my only problems, then things are good.
JRDill
08-31-2011, 09:12 PM
When Ike hit down here we didn't have power for a month. My university opened up the following Tuesday since they have their own water and power plants, but didn't require students to come back immediately if effected by the storm. So I slept on an air mattress in our dark room, woke up and showered in the gym across campus, went home and did work on the house, went back to school to sleep, use the internet and repeat. The one solid month I felt II got my monies worth!
sixty2strat
08-31-2011, 10:31 PM
My power was out from about 10 pm till about 8 the next morning. Would not have been an issue but the sump pump needs it. So had to fire up a generator or else the basement would have flooded due to a high water table. So was up for 24 hours. I suggested getting a generator, hell of a life saver. The phone was out till today oddly, they seems to fix that faster normally
Josh O
09-01-2011, 07:50 PM
After 5.5 days, finally back on the grid. Here's to hoping everyone who is still out get's electrons flowing soon.
RussB
09-01-2011, 09:02 PM
...still no power here :(
tdawg
09-02-2011, 05:41 AM
Just got mine back yesterday. I don't think I would have survived back in the pre-electricity days. ha
Still no power for my neighborhood twenty miles from downtown Boston.
Yikes. It's easy to forget that so many people still don't have power when your own power comes back on.
Here's hoping you all get it back soon.
RussB
09-03-2011, 04:35 PM
The power company (cl&p) tells that power will be restored by monday at 11 pm
Good greif. :(
RCM78
09-03-2011, 07:48 PM
I work for PSE&G here in NJ. We restored over 790,000 customers within one weeks time. The co. brought in 1500 linemen, and 300 tree crews to get the work done. This is on top of our own people. We all worked 16 hour shift's from Sunday till friday. The only customer's still without power are inaccessible due to severe flooding. Once the water recedes we'll get them back too...
Brian D
09-03-2011, 10:09 PM
My sympathies go out to those of you still without power, and for those who were without it for any length of time because of Irene. My power went off for around 1/2 hour tonight, and even that sucked. I can't imagine days...
I was out for 8 days after Isabel on well and septic.
On the 8th day, my good friend let me borrow his portable generator.
I got home, nearly broke my back unloading it and then pulled my arm out
getting it to start.
I finally untangle my 100 foot extension cord bend down to plug it in
and the lights came on.
After a few more long outages,
I finally bought a good Porter Cable portable generator and that
seems to have acted like an insurance policy since then.
I've only been out 3 times and each time for less than 24 hours.
It's great being able to keep the basics going when the power does go out.
Irene was pretty much a non-event up here on the mountain,
but the further South you go and the more Easterly you go,
there was major damage.
Top winds up here only reached maybe 30 MPH and I'm at 1050 foot elevation,
so flooding is not an issue.
As inconvenient as a long outage may be, it does make you appreciate
simple living.
TweeDLX
09-04-2011, 09:14 AM
Where I live in the NW, we frequently get trees falling over the power lines. Sometimes happens several times a year. My wife and I break out the candles and the acoustics and have fun. Stay safe, my prayers are with you.
Structo
09-04-2011, 10:09 AM
Makes you wonder why they didn't start burying power cables and transformers sooner than they did and many many communities still have telephone poles with wires that are susceptible to tree limbs and wind.
lspaulsp
09-04-2011, 10:28 AM
The power company (cl&p) tells that power will be restored by monday at 11 pm
Good greif. :(
Monday really means Friday (maybe).
coldfingaz
09-04-2011, 12:42 PM
I work for PSE&G here in NJ. We restored over 790,000 customers within one weeks time. The co. brought in 1500 linemen, and 300 tree crews to get the work done. This is on top of our own people. We all worked 16 hour shift's from Sunday till friday. The only customer's still without power are inaccessible due to severe flooding. Once the water recedes we'll get them back too...
Kudos to you!
I think NJ did a remarkable job restoring power. It seems, based on what I've heard & the numbers involved, NJ was better prepared than NY or CT. The flooding in NJ was really incredible, as were parts of NY, VT, etc. Nothing you can do if you can't get to the impacted areas, but I'm sure that was a helluva week on the job that you & your co-workers won't forget anytime soon.
Makes you wonder why they didn't start burying power cables and transformers sooner than they did and many many communities still have telephone poles with wires that are susceptible to tree limbs and wind.
Good point, but I'm guessing many did do cost analysis on this & deemed a few storms per year worth the risk. I'm referring to older neighborhoods here, not newer subdivisions which would be foolish not to bury the cabling as they're constructed.
I was surprised by this when we moved to CT because there are a ton of trees, many of them huge & I didn't notice any areas where cabling was not visibly above the streets. But, then again... it's such a densely populated area at least where I am in Fairfield County. I can't imagine how much $ it would cost to transition... which is probably a moot point now given the financial shape of most towns, counties, states, etc.
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