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Jon Silberman
11-29-2007, 06:00 AM
I'm sorry to have missed the IOTA show but with a demanding job and family and not being a teenager m'self these days I just couldn't handle a late Monday evening out. :(
Fred_C
11-29-2007, 11:11 AM
"Just picked up a gold top MR HB with Les Trem on ebay.
I must be stopped."
I thought you might be going for this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-Rocco-Special-Order-One-Humbucker-U-S-A_W0QQitemZ170173296432QQihZ007QQcategoryZ2384QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jon Silberman
11-29-2007, 11:23 AM
I never did get the single bridge PUP "Jr." model (be it a SC or HB PUP). I could live with a single PUP by the neck perhaps but not with only a harsh bridge PUP. Well ... with the single exception perhaps of an Esquire (though I'll take a Tele over an Esquire any day).
Jon Silberman
11-30-2007, 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by Jon Silberman http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=2807771#post2807771)
Tell me about it! I'm an idiot for having sold my red Slingshot last year. I would buy it back now for 150% of the price if I could. It sucks owning only 3 Revs now!
Hey, Jon--just a gentle reminder as you pawn off the S-Hitman--I've been lurking here for over a year now and posting here and there. I seem to recall reading several variations on this common theme of yours in that time. I'm just sayin'! Good luck on the sale, though.
Thanks for just sayin'. Though I did get an offer I've decided for now to take your advice. :)
controlo
12-02-2007, 03:33 AM
hey guys! i'm very interested in getting a new reverend within a couple of days. i can't decide between the charger 290 in tobacco burst, the flatroc in cream or rock orange, or the buckshot in sunburst! if anyone has particularly great experiences with any of those, please tell. i'm sorry, i had no idea how to start a new thread or anything. i'm assuming i'm not supposed to? either way, some of my influences are... Death Cab, Pedro the Lion, Wilco, Band of Horses, rilo kiley, the elected, grandaddy, denali, the frames, Ted Leo etc... my current setup is an epiphone valve jr., an avatar 2x12 with 1-vintage 30 and 1-g12h30. my only guitar is an ibanez axs32 with a Jeff Beck in the bridge and a Jazz in the neck.
-I'm a fan of Telecasters (buckshot) but i don't want an anemic or ice picky single coil that hums like crazy.
-The only p-90 guitar i've played was a Gibson SG and i dug it. If the Charger sounds anything like that, i'm sure i'll like it.
-My friend has a flatroc and i dig it.
I plan on picking one of these up in Santa Monica on Monday or Tuesday of this week at TrueTone Music if i can make a decision. HELP ME!
Thanks!
Jon Silberman
12-02-2007, 07:31 AM
Well, I have heard of Wilco. ;)
Seriously, I don't think I'm necessarily the best person to advise you on this decision but here are some considerations:
- Flatroc: the solid korina body should give you good mids with the bridge Tele PUP and the Revtron neck HB will be fatter than your typical stock Tele neck PUP; as for single coil hum, you'll get some in position 1, not much in 2, none in 3 but as you know, if you want a true single coil Tele PUP hum is the law (of physics).
- Gibson P90 guitars tend to sound a bit fatter than Revs which tend to have better definition/less "flubbiness" at high gains. Both are classic tones. But if you want SG-type tones, forget the 25 1/2", bolt-on Charger. You should be looking instead at the 24 3/4", solid body, set neck Warhawk:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/guitars/set_neck_series/daredevil_290/daredevil_290_blk.jpg
- Your point of reference for the Flatroc could be a Gretsch Duo Jet with more "hair."
This is a great thread, BTW, for any and all Rev questions. All of the Rev regulars here stop by regularly and are great about contributing answers.
teleman1
12-02-2007, 08:58 AM
I have the P-90 Jetstream. I love the sound of this guitar. But it does not sound so P-90 to me. Has anyone experimented with different pickups??? Right now the pickups seems more akin to me Lollar p-90's,z(they sound polite to me)
Glenn_K
12-02-2007, 09:03 AM
hey guys! i'm very interested in getting a new reverend within a couple of days. i can't decide between the charger 290 in tobacco burst, the flatroc in cream or rock orange, or the buckshot in sunburst!
The Buckshot is a really cool guitar and you'll probably love any of those. I would go for Buckshot or Flatrock but don't rule out Jetstream 390, which is an extremely cool guitar. Last chance for the Wilkenson trem.
martyncrew
12-02-2007, 09:59 AM
I plan on picking one of these up in Santa Monica on Monday or Tuesday of this week at TrueTone Music if i can make a decision.
That's the best way to make a decision. We all have our opinions but only by playing and listening will you know what's right for you.
malvivant
12-02-2007, 10:44 AM
hey guys! i'm very interested in getting a new reverend within a couple of days. i can't decide between the charger 290 in tobacco burst, the flatroc in cream or rock orange, or the buckshot in sunburst! ...I plan on picking one of these up in Santa Monica on Monday or Tuesday of this week at TrueTone Music if i can make a decision. HELP ME!
You're going to a brick n' mortar store to buy the guitar; why not defer making a choice till you've seen/felt/played the different models you're considering? I've picked up a coupla Reverends at Truetone. The first time, I walked in convinced I wanted a Warhawk (a decision pretty much based on looking at pictures of the guitar online...go figure). I ended up walking out (after paying, of course) with a Charger HB. The second time, I was fairly certain I wanted a Club King RT, and that's what I eventually bought...but only after trying out a few other Rev models to make sure there wasn't one that would deliver the sound I was looking for more closely. Truetone has a small test-drive room with a range of amps, so you can get a pretty good idea of what a given guitar is capable of (as opposed to somewhere like GC, where whatever you're playing is probably gonna be drowned in a chorus of twenty guys bashing out "Enter Sandman" or whatever).
Jon Silberman
12-02-2007, 10:53 AM
I have the P-90 Jetstream. I love the sound of this guitar. But it does not sound so P-90 to me. Has anyone experimented with different pickups??? Right now the pickups seems more akin to me Lollar p-90's,z(they sound polite to me)
It's probably not the PUPs but, as described previously, what they're in.
Have you tried raising them closer to the strings? Even a 16th of an inch will make a huge difference.
controlo
12-02-2007, 03:15 PM
hey thanks guys for all the answers! keep em coming.
one of the problems is the availability of the reverend guitars. truetone seems to only have set necks in at this point and i already have a great set neck humbucking guitar. its not that i'd prefer the gibson p-90 sound, but i remember loving it when i plugged it into a valve jr. at guitar center. i also remember playing a Fender TC-90 which was pretty similar to my ears. as far as the single coil buzz... as long as its not too harsh i'll be ok. i suppose i could always replace the pickup. does anyone know if its an exact Tele replacement?
by the way, my friend with the flatroc also has a Gretsch Electromatic which he loves. he always seems to be playing the flatroc when i stop by his place. haha.
and... maybe its lame but i don't like the look of the wilkenson bridge. it looks too "carvin, jackson-ish" to me... i don't know. i much prefer the hardtail. thanks again guys!
trinian1
12-02-2007, 09:27 PM
Thanks for just sayin'. Though I did get an offer I've decided for now to take your advice. :)
Hey, no problem. I understand where you're coming from. I have a Bad Cat Hot Cat amp that I love but think about selling all the time in order to buy a Goodsell. I don't really need the gain of the Cat and the Goodsell was the only amp I ever plugged into that, if I had would have had the money, I would have bought after playing only one chord through it. But I know I would still miss the BadCat, so the Goodsell will wait patiently until I have the scratch for it (which will be a while, since the next spare 2 grand I have I'm going to use to have my eyes lasered!) . . . or until I play it again and REALLY can't resist it!
BlueVeins
12-02-2007, 11:23 PM
So I am looking at reverend hollowbodies. What do the owners of them think? Does the Manta Ray HB sound like a Es-335 or the Manta Ray 290 like a casino? I am looking for some comparison sounds.
Thanks.
Jon Silberman
12-03-2007, 06:07 AM
I have played those guitars but never in a context allowing for a direct A-B with a 335 or Casino. That being said, they did not sound or feel like those guitars to me and I think if you search for what others have posted on point there's general agreement that they don't. If you really want true 335 or a Casino tones, if it were me, that's what I'd buy.
Joe Naylor
12-03-2007, 09:04 AM
Seems to be a fair amount of Manta Ray talk floating around, so I thought some of you might find this new coverage interesting:
http://reverendguitars.com/reverend/media/reviews/tqr_nov_2007.pdf
Thanks! Joe
c-dub
12-03-2007, 09:25 AM
Nice!
The more I play my MR290 with les trem the more I like it. I grew up a lester guy so 24 3/4 always feels better to me, but I fell in love with the resonance and sound of the USA Revs. Ive got another MR HB w/ LT arriving tomorrow.
Jon Silberman
12-03-2007, 09:52 AM
Hey Joe, where you going with that ... nah, just wanted to say, nice to hear from you again. Congrats on the fine coverage in the TQ mag.
There are a couple of points made in the article that I'd like to strongly second. Now, as always, these are personal viewpoints/YMMV but to me:
1. The Manta Ray is better shaped/more ergodynamically comfortable than the SG. This is true, for me at least, particularly in the relative shape/placement of the bat-wings. I won't say anything further on this, folks have got to do their own A-B tests to appreciate it. Myself, I've ruled out ever getting an SG because they just don't fit or feel right to me but I have my sights on a potential Manta Ray at some point (but let's see what else Winter NAMM brings, first :o ).
2. There is a clarity - never mid-honky or mushy - that I've always heard in Revs, USA and now the imports, that with all due respect to Gibsons and Epiphones, for the most part are just not there in the models that are anywhere near the affordability of the entire Rev line. (Though I am enjoying my new Gibson Les Paul Studio Vintage Mahogany - just couldn't turn it down for $671 new with case on Black Friday :D ).
Joe Naylor
12-03-2007, 01:25 PM
... going' down to shoot my ol' lady, caught her playin' guitar on another brand.
:)
malvivant
12-03-2007, 03:49 PM
...There is a clarity - never mid-honky or mushy - that I've always heard in Revs, USA and now the imports, that with all due respect to Gibsons and Epiphones, for the most part are just not there in the models that are anywhere near the affordability of the entire Rev line. ...
Bingo. That's exactly the characteristic --even overlooking the quality, pricing, and unique appearance (well..for the bolt-ons at any rate in the last category) of these guitars-- that sets Revs apart. It's certainly what pulled me into the Reverend camp. I traded in a Gibson L.P. Special w/ humbuckers on my first Rev (a Charger HB), and have never looked back.
BlueVeins
12-04-2007, 12:52 AM
Alright so here is the list of the discontinued stuff for this year as posted by Joe Naylor on the Reverend forum earlier today. I'm sure many of you have seen this.
FYI:
1) The following COLORS (just the colors, NOT the models) have been discontinued or will be shortly. If you want one, act NOW, or forever hold your peace:
Jetstream 10th Anniv. - Silver Flake
Club King RT - Metallic Alpine
Warhawk II 390 - Metallic Alpine
Volcano - Cream
Daredevil HB - Cream
Daredevil 290 - Metallic Alpine
Daredevil 290 - Black
Manta Ray HB - Gold
Manta Ray 290 - Metallic Alpine
Manta Ray 290 - Flame Maple Tobacco Burst
Roundhouse HB - Flame Maple Blue Burst
2) ALL Jetstream models are switching to hardtail. If you want one with a Wilkinson tremolo, order NOW.
Please contact a Reverend Dealer for availability on all the above.
Thanks!
Joe I can't say I'm too sad to see the Metallic Alpine go. Unfortunately I was considering a Volcano in Cream though. I guess I'll just have to get the Honey color instead.
Jon Silberman
12-04-2007, 05:55 AM
Well I'm certainly glad to see the blue burst Roundhouse go. Apologies to anyone who may own one and it's not the the finish is horrible per se but on a Roundhouse? I don't think so! :eek:
carson072
12-04-2007, 07:42 AM
Some of those colors did need to go, I dont like that Alpine color at all. The only gripe I have with Reverend is the color selections on certain models suck. Although the black CK290 I have looks great. I wish they'd offer maple boards on more models too.
Glenn_K
12-04-2007, 11:52 AM
2) ALL Jetstream models are switching to hardtail
Say it aint so
HeyMrTeleMan
12-04-2007, 12:04 PM
...Unfortunately I was considering a Volcano in Cream though. I guess I'll just have to get the Honey color instead...
I think Atlanta Discount Music has one in Cream in stock. Hurry!
No, I don't work for them. I just go there a lot and drool...:drool
Lowell Georgia
BlueVeins
12-04-2007, 05:05 PM
Oh, I would buy it if I had the money. I'm a college student though and I've got no cash. But hey if you're volunteering...
john1056
12-05-2007, 08:29 AM
Oh, I would buy it if I had the money. I'm a college student though and I've got no cash. But hey if you're volunteering...
Lay off beer for a month and sell your blood a couple of times ;)
portsider
12-05-2007, 12:15 PM
Lay off beer for a month and sell your blood a couple of times ;)
Advice we should all take.:crazyguy
c-dub
12-05-2007, 02:04 PM
Lay off beer for a month and sell your blood a couple of times ;)
I could get a R8!!!!!
;)
russv
12-05-2007, 07:56 PM
Damn, that is how you were supposed to do it. I donated blood in order to drink beer. Right after usually, nothing like reducing your tolerance with a little blood letting. No mead or ox cart required.
BarnabyHooge
12-06-2007, 08:40 PM
It's my first Reverend. A.W.E.S.O.M.E.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s161/BarnabyHooge/IMG_0640.jpg
martyncrew
12-06-2007, 09:15 PM
Very pretty burst - enjoy! How's that little Gries?
I have a "new" Rev on its way. Bob's Bugeye Avenger has mysteriously found its way to California.
portsider
12-07-2007, 04:49 AM
Very pretty burst - enjoy! How's that little Gries?
I have a "new" Rev on its way. Bob's Bugeye Avenger has mysteriously found its way to California.
And with the proceeds I picked up a Jetstream 390 burst with a maple neck. Very nice guitar, feather light, almost USA light. The maple board adds a little snap.
john1056
12-07-2007, 09:20 AM
And with the proceeds I picked up a Jetstream 390 burst with a maple neck. Very nice guitar, feather light, almost USA light. The maple board adds a little snap.
There must only be about 3 or 4 Reverends you haven't owned at this point right? ;)
Glenn_K
12-07-2007, 12:21 PM
And with the proceeds I picked up a Jetstream 390 burst with a maple neck. Very nice guitar, feather light, almost USA light. The maple board adds a little snap.
That's odd, my Jetstream is not light as a feather at all. Must be the blue weighing it down. :) Or the rosewood. Maybe you just got a light one. Or someone left some pieces out. :eek:
portsider
12-07-2007, 12:42 PM
There must only be about 3 or 4 Reverends you haven't owned at this point right? ;)
There are a few more than that, but your point is correct. I should spend less time obsessing about gear and more time playing.
That said, I did unload two guitars before getting this one. I'd like to get rid of a couple more, but it is hard to let go.
portsider
12-07-2007, 12:47 PM
That's odd, my Jetstream is not light as a feather at all. Must be the blue weighing it down. :) Or the rosewood. Maybe you just got a light one. Or someone left some pieces out. :eek:
I was surprised too. My Flatroc is not that light, heck my CK is heavier than the Jetstream.
Joe did say that the weight inconsistency was one reason for switching to korina wood.
Jon Silberman
12-07-2007, 02:11 PM
That 1st ever Gibson LP I bought on Black Friday? Defective and gone. :(
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=323623
Oh well, the good news is, now I have some cash in my pocket - let's see what Rev comes out with at NAMM.
malvivant
12-07-2007, 03:49 PM
That 1st ever Gibson LP I bought on Black Friday? Defective and gone. :(
Oh well, the good news is, now I have some cash in my pocket - let's see what Rev comes out with at NAMM.
Jeez...stuff like that really makes you wonder what the QC process is at Gibson. The LP Special I bought (the one that got traded in on a Charger) had the pickup selector wired backwards. Not a big deal (and easily the least of my complaints about that particular guitar), but you gotta wonder if anyone even looks at those guitars after they roll off the production line.
On a cheerier note, the cat's outta the bag for at least one new Rev:
Scroll halfway down the page here:
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/ugg08/
Looks like pickup medleys are becoming a feature of the Reverend lineup.
malvivant
12-07-2007, 03:54 PM
I just test drove that link I posted; after the page loads, you'll need to put "Reverend" in the Search bar to get to the right page.
Mike Duncan
12-07-2007, 04:21 PM
Double Agent - neat name.
Jon Silberman
12-07-2007, 04:36 PM
How the heck did you find that?! I like the concept though I might be tempted to put the HB in the neck slot and P90 by the bridge.
BlueVeins
12-07-2007, 09:14 PM
Same here. The p90 seems to be a more reasonable bridge choice.
I can't wait to see what NAMM holds for the Reverend line.
malvivant
12-07-2007, 10:36 PM
How the heck did you find that?! .
I didn't. Some kind soul posted the link on the RDP; I simply passed it on.
Did anyone else notice the black headstock on the Double Agent? I don't think there's been a production bolt-on other than the 10th Anniversary Jetstream with that feature...
Glenn_K
12-08-2007, 06:06 AM
Agreed on enjoying the P90 in the bridge position. That guitar appears to be the cousin of the Buckshot.
Glenn_K
12-08-2007, 06:14 AM
Same here. The p90 seems to be a more reasonable bridge choice.
Then again, that's what's cool about Reverend. The unreasonable.
Jon Silberman
12-08-2007, 08:24 AM
I hate to say it but as it's obvious anyway, when it come to guitars, too often the unreasonable is unsellable and soon discontinued. :(
I didn't. Some kind soul posted the link on the RDP; I simply passed it on.
Did anyone else notice the black headstock on the Double Agent? I don't think there's been a production bolt-on other than the 10th Anniversary Jetstream with that feature...
I have 2 Warhawk I's that say otherwise :BEER
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 08:32 AM
I visited Crossroads Guitar yesterday afternoon and achieved my goal of carefully inspecting, playing, and comparing a Roundhouse and a Warhawk. Came away with these findings - am wondering if they match others' conclusions as to these two guitars:
- exceptional upper fret access on the Warhawk;
- both guitars displayed excellent overall workmanship and setup;
- didn't care at all for the Roundhouse's headstock (dug the Warhawk's);
- these days, with the prevalence of CNC equipment and at this price point; thought the Roundhouse suffered, in comparison with other guitars in the same general price range, for its flat (uncarved) top;
- really, really, dug the Roundhouse's fat, full tone - very LP-reminiscent;
- was disappointed in the Warhawk's tone, found it significantly thinner and "plinkier" than the Roundhouse (though perhaps this would be a plus for metal or other high-gain/distortion players).
Is the tone difference primarily one of different PUPs (which can be easily substituted) or something more elementary (like how the Roundhouse connects, on the top bout, to the neck at the 16th fret like a LP versus the Warhawk design? Because I really found the Warhawk to be perfectly suited for the slide work and high-note fretting I'm increasingly focusing on these days but - and this is only for me! - the tone's just not there for what I'm seeking.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 09:02 AM
And BTW, Mike Duncan's coming by this afternoon for some jamming with Jesse on drums and Jess on bass (it's an "all Jess/e rythym section!) so they'll be some serious Rev playing here today! :D
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/5156619/65767462.jpg
Glenn_K
12-09-2007, 09:31 AM
Jon, the pickups on the Warhawk and Roundhouse are the same I'm pretty sure. Probably adjusted differently and placed differently plus the wood. I assume you're talking P90 since you're a P90 guy, but the same is true on the humbuckers.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 09:33 AM
No, I was actually talking about the HBs - I'm more versatile/open than would appear at first! ;)
Glenn_K
12-09-2007, 09:33 AM
Jon, also add to that, I have a jetstream 390 and Warhawk 390 (got in trade from c-dub) here and they sound very different. Today I'm going to take the Warhawk to band practice to check it out for the first time is a "live" situation.
martyncrew
12-09-2007, 09:34 AM
- didn't care at all for the Roundhouse's headstock (dug the Warhawk's);
- these days, with the prevalence of CNC equipment and at this price point; thought the Roundhouse suffered, in comparison with other guitars in the same general price range, for its flat (uncarved) top;
I agree on both points. These 2 cosmetic issues persuaded me to go with an Epi LP rather than a Roundhouse.
If I have one criticism of my CK290 it's that the whole look and vibe of the guitar cry out for a contoured top. There are plenty of contoured top semis at the same or lower price point. BTW, I have some SD Antiquity P90s that could well be heading into the CK over the holidays.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 09:43 AM
Jon, the pickups on the Warhawk and Roundhouse are the same I'm pretty sure. Probably adjusted differently and placed differently plus the wood. I assume you're talking P90 since you're a P90 guy, but the same is true on the humbuckers.
Thanks, Glenn.
I just emailed the question to Reverend to be certain. I'll post what further I may learn.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 12:47 PM
And it's still true: The waiting is the hardest part! ;)
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/292320305.jpg
controlo
12-09-2007, 01:31 PM
nice. is that a 15" avatar? what speaker are you using if so. diggin' it.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 04:43 PM
It's a 1X12 Avatar with an H75HP Scumback (what a super sounding speaker - flat out one of the most musical sounding speakers I've ever played through).
I have a Warhawk HB (bolt-on) and a Roundhouse HB. I think the biggest factor in the tone difference is the maple cap on the RH. I realize that my guitars have different scale lengths and there's the neck join thing... but still, I think it's the maple cap that makes the sound. I've never liked the sound of an all mahogany Les Paul.
One thing I will say is that flat top or not, the Roundhouse absolutley annihalates any Epi LP I've ever played and I personally prefer it over a Gibson LP... I was on an LP hunt when I bought it.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 04:50 PM
I really did love the tone of the Roundhouse I played, as I wrote in my first post, it is legitimately in LP territory and extremely well-built for an amazing price considering what you're getting. I do, though, wish it had a carved top and just don't care for the headstock (NOT a knock on the construction or tone).
malvivant
12-09-2007, 05:11 PM
I have 2 Warhawk I's that say otherwise :BEER
..and they're better informed than I am. After you posted that, I took a little closer look at the current Rev bolt-ons. It seems the Gil Parris models in black are better informed than me as well.
Glenn_K
12-09-2007, 06:02 PM
Hey, I just got back from practice, using my Warhawk II 390 instead of my usual, the Jetream 390. Contrary to my expectations, the Warhawk totally screamed! I was pleasantly surprised (and so was everyone else) how great it sounded. It had a deeper growl with much more sustain. This guitar is going nowhere. My only regret is that it doesn't have a Wilkenson trem.
Jon Silberman
12-09-2007, 06:36 PM
In retrospect, thank goodness no one offered me what I was asking on my S-Hitman when I had it listed for sale for those couple of days. What the heck was I thinking?! That guitar is killer.
Glenn_K
12-09-2007, 07:22 PM
I also brought my Reverend PJ bass to rehearsal and the bass player loved it. Now we are looking for a PJ for him. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to want a Rumblefish--only a PJ. If anyone sees a PJ for sale, please let me know!
Glenn_K
12-10-2007, 04:50 AM
One more thing to add re: Warhawk--Jon, as you say, the higher fret access is wonderful. Free and clear.
Jon Silberman
12-10-2007, 07:46 AM
This is to confirm (heard back from Joe) that the humbuckers are the same on the Warhawk and Roundhouse. The tonal differences are due to the woods, body shapes, and neck joint connections (where they attach to the bodies). Wow! If anyone doubted before how every aspect of guitar design affects everything else, don't!
Jon Silberman
12-10-2007, 11:40 AM
One more thing to add re: Warhawk--Jon, as you say, the higher fret access is wonderful. Free and clear.
How does it "hang" on a strap, Glenn (I notice the strap attachment thingie is a bit more towards the headstock thank on, say, a LP)? I'm guessing wonderfully but just checking. P.S. The stock Rev HBs are both ceramic, 13K bridge, 6.5K neck.
martyncrew
12-10-2007, 12:55 PM
...13K bridge, 6.5K neck. Do any other builders use pickup sets with such a step up from the neck to the bridge? Most of my other guitars have a 10-20% step up in output from the neck to the bridge pickup.
Jon Silberman
12-10-2007, 01:14 PM
FWIW, it's not that drastic a difference as appears at first given how much more string movement over the magnets occurs in the neck versus the bridge position. In any event, it's considered/deliberate in Rev's case. From the website:
>> The bridge pickup is slightly hotter than a vintage PAF, and the neck pickup slightly cleaner.
I have an old Gibson Alnico neck PUP that I bought new in '76. It's the "patented" version. If I end up with a Warhawk it'll replace the stock Rev neck PUP.
Glenn_K
12-10-2007, 05:29 PM
How does it "hang" on a strap, Glenn (I notice the strap attachment thingie is a bit more towards the headstock thank on, say, a LP)? I'm guessing wonderfully but just checking.
I had no problem wearing the WH for a several hour rehearsal session and didn't notice anything about the way it was hanging, so I guess that means it was well balanced. More on the high fret access--I definitely noticed it because there is a song where I have to go up high for a planned part--usually straining at a slight angle. On the WH, it was so easy it was sick.
How does it "hang" on a strap, Glenn (I notice the strap attachment thingie is a bit more towards the headstock thank on, say, a LP)? I'm guessing wonderfully but just checking. P.S. The stock Rev HBs are both ceramic, 13K bridge, 6.5K neck.
I have a Warhawk II HB, and it's the most comfortable guitar I own, and one of the lightest, and one of the most toneful...perfectly balanced...can't say enough good about it!!!:D:D
martyncrew
12-11-2007, 11:23 PM
I got my "new" Bugeye Avenger today after 24 hours of chasing DHL trucks around the SF Peninsula. This Avenger has one of the best Eastpointe neck I've played (sn 1489), it plays very easily and it sounds great. Over the years, I've had mixed feeling on Reverend's "Strat" pups but these sound great - big, fat and ballsy, very much like Vintage Vibe SP90 or Harmonic Design Super 90 pups. The pots seem like they are about to die - the volume pot has a real weird taper and the tone pot hardly does anything. No biggie, I was never much of a fan of the Alpha pots.
portsider
12-12-2007, 04:56 AM
I got my "new" Bugeye Avenger today after 24 hours of chasing DHL trucks around the SF Peninsula. This Avenger has one of the best Eastpointe neck I've played (sn 1489), it plays very easily and it sounds great. Over the years, I've had mixed feeling on Reverend's "Strat" pups but these sound great - big, fat and ballsy, very much like Vintage Vibe SP90 or Harmonic Design Super 90 pups. The pots seem like they are about to die - the volume pot has a real weird taper and the tone pot hardly does anything. No biggie, I was never much of a fan of the Alpha pots.
I did not notice a problem with the pots (shows how much I used it). It was not any sort of conscious omission.
My Jetstream with maple neck is pretty darn cool. I got it with the proceeds of the Bugeye sale.
I love it when everyone wins.:AOK
Jon Silberman
12-12-2007, 06:26 AM
Fortunately, pots are simple and inexpensive to change.
I also love my Avenger (200-level SN). I did replace the bridge PUP w/a Harmonic Design STP (the bridge PUP is now the middle PUP in my S-Hitman where it shines).
martyncrew
12-12-2007, 08:33 AM
I did not notice a problem with the pots (shows how much I used it). It was not any sort of conscious omission.
No problem, Bob. I'm VERY happy with the guitar.
portsider
12-12-2007, 08:57 AM
No problem, Bob. I'm VERY happy with the guitar.
As I figured. That is a sweet one.
Jon Silberman
12-12-2007, 10:17 AM
Personally, I think you should have kept it but I'm glad to see it's now where it's being appreciated! :)
Bassomatic
12-12-2007, 11:28 AM
I also brought my Reverend PJ bass to rehearsal and the bass player loved it. Now we are looking for a PJ for him. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to want a Rumblefish--only a PJ. If anyone sees a PJ for sale, please let me know!
Yeah, that's the one I used to covet. Wish I had pulled the trigger when they were still taking bass orders.
I'll drop a line if I see one - I'm not in the market right now.
Bassomatic
12-12-2007, 11:32 AM
Jon and co. -
I had a quick minute to play a used Warhawk yesterday and was favorably impressed. Time was tight so I didn't plug it in. This was the older, Fender scale Korean model. I'm wondering what the Reverend cognoscenti think about the shorter scale Korina model vs. the older style. Impressions?
Also, it was a clean used piece, and they were asking $385. Does that seem like a fair price?
portsider
12-12-2007, 11:39 AM
Also, it was a clean used piece, and they were asking $385. Does that seem like a fair price?
Very!
portsider
12-12-2007, 02:17 PM
Personally, I think you should have kept it but I'm glad to see it's now where it's being appreciated! :)
Enlightenment is an individual path, Grasshopper.
Jon Silberman
12-12-2007, 02:28 PM
You are quite right, Weedhopper.
Glenn_K
12-12-2007, 06:57 PM
For those that missed the show...
Scroll down for the video.
http://myspace.com/7doorsedan
martyncrew
12-12-2007, 10:39 PM
PSA - EPN Spy w/trem and US Engine Turn Rocco on eBay, not to mention 4 Hellhounds!
john1056
12-13-2007, 07:25 AM
PSA - EPN Spy w/trem and US Engine Turn Rocco on eBay, not to mention 4 Hellhounds!
That Spy is sweet.
c-dub
12-13-2007, 12:26 PM
Well, I jumped on a Thorn Jr. 90, so the following is likely on the block if anyone has any interest:
Hipshot Slingshot gold back and front with teardrop.
Gold Slingshot Custom with teardrop, some scratches.
Flame Maple Reverend Manta Ray 290 with Les Trem, hardshell case.
Gold Manta Ray HB with Les Trem, no case.
Maybe my gold wolfman with bass contour and Bigs, but I'll likely keep that one. I'm keeping one USA.
TheGrooveking
12-13-2007, 05:53 PM
Figure I would post an updated pic of some of my Reverend stuff.
TheGrooveking
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/TheGrooveking/Comboamps.jpg
Jon Silberman
12-13-2007, 07:14 PM
Not bad but, really, you don't need 3 Soul-o 45s, what can I trade for one? :)
beatnix
12-13-2007, 08:45 PM
Question 1: What's the collective congregation wisdom on swapping out the Filtertron pickups on my Flatroc with some mini-buckers?
Question 2: If I did, are they the same size, or will I have to mod something?
Just curious....
Bassomatic
12-13-2007, 09:48 PM
Any takers on my Warhawk question above?
martyncrew
12-13-2007, 10:07 PM
Any takers on my Warhawk question above?.
If you played it and liked it, $385 is a great price. Kinda hard to tell you anything else as I've never played a Warhawk
portsider
12-14-2007, 04:32 AM
Any takers on my Warhawk question above?
I have played the set neck version and it was really nice. I'd expect the same from the bolt neck. The one I played was considerably lighter than the Flatroc and Club King in the store.
You should grab it for $375. If you decide it is not for you, you won't lose on the resale.
beatnix
12-14-2007, 06:29 AM
I have an older, bolt on Warhawk, P90's. Love it. Lightweight, great tone, my #1 at this point.
FYI - $385 is a little more than $100 less than what I paid for mine.....(read - bargain).
Bassomatic
12-14-2007, 06:58 AM
Thanks guys - think I'll roll the dice.
c-dub
12-14-2007, 07:01 AM
That's a good price, I picked up a bolt version recently for $435 shipped on ebay with case.
c-dub
12-14-2007, 07:48 AM
Here are the Revs I will probably move.
Click for larger pics:
Bolt WH 290 (may keep this as a backup):
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/th_5085_1_b.jpg (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/5085_1_b.jpg)
gold SSC (better pics coming, teardrop)
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/th_IMG_7524.jpg (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/IMG_7524.jpg)
Gold SS with Hipshot trem (and teardrop)
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/th_b661_3.jpg (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/b661_3.jpg)
Manta Ray HB with Les Trem, no case but original double box packaging
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/th_manta2.jpg (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/manta2.jpg)
Probably wont sell my Rev wolf with Bigs, but here's a pic.
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/th_53fa_1.jpg (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/53fa_1.jpg)
Manta Ray with Lez Trem and Hardshell case, AWESOME guitar:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/th_d406_3.jpg (http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z65/SC-WReX/d406_3.jpg)
Also a Kingsnake head; I'm one of the few that prefer the Hellhound -- I've got a combo and a HH head with matching 4x10 cab, all in the cowboy tolex.
john1056
12-14-2007, 09:09 AM
Here are the Revs I will probably move.
Click for larger pics:
Bolt WH 290 (may keep this as a backup):
gold SSC (better pics coming, teardrop)
Gold SS with Hipshot trem (and teardrop)
Manta Ray HB with Les Trem, no case but original double box packaging
Probably wont sell my Rev wolf with Bigs, but here's a pic.
Manta Ray with Lez Trem and Hardshell case, AWESOME guitar:
Also a Kingsnake head; I'm one of the few that prefer the Hellhound -- I've got a combo and a HH head with matching 4x10 cab, all in the cowboy tolex.
Wow that's a lot of stuff to move for one guitar. How much are you looking for for the Manta Ray?
c-dub
12-14-2007, 09:17 AM
WHI (with hardshell case) - $435
SSC - $750
SS Hipshot - $1000 (I have more than that in it inclduing securing a teardrop)
Manta HB (with les trem - $150 option) - $550
Manta 290 (with Les trem and Hardshell case) - $735.
***LINK FIXED***
Oh man... this breaks my heart...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-USA-Vito-Slingshot-Guitar-RARE-Damaged_W0QQitemZ220183956772
:(
...and c-dub, that SSC is awfully tempting. I just got my first Rev... an Avenger.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o264/hacksolo/rev.jpg
Jon Silberman
12-14-2007, 02:13 PM
What's the deal (listing is no longer valid)?
malvivant
12-14-2007, 02:59 PM
The listing is still there. If you put "Reverend" and "damaged" in the ebay Search bar, it'll take you right to it. Pretty spectacular damage...that Vito looks like it got hit with an anti-tank round.
martyncrew
12-14-2007, 04:22 PM
...that Vito looks like it got hit with an anti-tank round.
LOL! I didn't know you could do that much damage to a Reverend body.
Bassomatic
12-14-2007, 06:30 PM
Well, I pulled the trigger on the Warhawk I I was checking out. So far, so good. I dig this guitar. Fit and finish are just great, especially for the money. Dig the cream color with tort guard, too.
I only like to keep one guitar around (or the basses get nervous), mostly for recording. Looks like I'll be turning out my old G&L F-100. It's looking pretty obsolete.
Bassomatic
12-16-2007, 01:45 AM
I've killed a thread or two in my day, but this is extreme!
I'm really starting to bond with this axe. Changed the strings and over wrapped the strings. Feels even better, I think.
Jon Silberman
12-16-2007, 12:30 PM
I've killed a thread or two in my day, but this is extreme!
I hate to tell ya, Basso, but you're gonna have to let go of your delusions of grandeur (it's not you, we're all watching the football games). :p
Hey guys: the triumph of hope over experience today for me: :o
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=327100
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/1133497/293347032.jpg
Bassomatic
12-17-2007, 12:40 AM
Wow - a LP for Jon and a Rev for Conor. Whod'a thunk it?
Jon Silberman
12-17-2007, 04:20 AM
Anything can happen. :)
Bassomatic
12-17-2007, 10:36 AM
I hate to tell ya, Basso, but you're gonna have to let go of your delusions of grandeur...
They ain't delusions if you can back 'em up.:BEER
john1056
12-18-2007, 07:22 AM
Anyone see the Eastpointe Spy with old-school pickguard and a trem went for $938 on Ebay yesterday? Nice guitar. I was kicking myslelf for forgetting to snipe it on the way home from work yesterday until I saw what it went for! Looks like somebody put their cigarette out on the back of the other spy up there:
http://cgi.ebay.com/98-Reverend-Spy-Guitar-excellent-condition-with-case_W0QQitemZ230203513059QQihZ013QQcategoryZ2384Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I've been played a Traynor Bass Mate (18 watt) through my Alltone the past few nights, its a great combination that is finally allowing me to appreciate the awesomenesss of this speaker. I just never had it paired with the right amp before. Unfortunately the Bass Mate has a 15 inch speaker so I can't swap it in :(
c-dub
12-18-2007, 07:58 AM
Yep, I bid on the ET Rocco in the last minute, but it went for $1058 -- too much for what I wanted to spend.
mototpsychel
12-18-2007, 03:44 PM
Mr. Vito:
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/motorpsychel/DSC02999_1_1.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/motorpsychel/IMG_0291.jpg
martyncrew
12-18-2007, 04:46 PM
Nice Vito! I was sorely tempted to buy that banged up one on eBay but missed it.
How hot are those pups? That's one of the things that keeps me from buying a pair of the left-over Vito pups from Joe - I'm worried that the may be too hot and grainy for my more vintage tastes.
Mike Duncan
12-18-2007, 05:55 PM
The Vito was / still is one of my most coveted Reverends...aside from wanting a Hipshot aluminum model. Very cool!!!
martyncrew
12-18-2007, 08:08 PM
The Vito was / still is one of my most coveted Reverends...aside from wanting a Hipshot aluminum model. Very cool!!!
Like the one C-Dub is/was selling?
There is something very cool about the aluminum top models and not just cosmetically. The Bugeye Avenger that I picked up from Bob is a wonderful guitar - through both my old Tweed and Dr Z is sounds just great,
Mike Duncan
12-19-2007, 12:11 PM
yes....like that one that c-dub is selling...:)
Did I miss something?!? I could have sworn that when I bought my Gil Parris, the body was chambered mahogany. I was looking at the specs on the Rev site today, and the specs read: Korina solidbody. Black back and sides with cream binding.
Huh?
Irreverent
12-19-2007, 05:55 PM
Anyone see the Eastpointe Spy with old-school pickguard and a trem went for $938 on Ebay yesterday? Nice guitar. I was kicking myslelf for forgetting to snipe it on the way home from work yesterday until I saw what it went for!
Yeah, that was painful...I was the second place bidder. One's gotta have one's limits (but to be truthful, I wish I had set mine higher on that particular guitar!) I don't know if I coulda out done that guy, though. He apparently has A LOT of cash to spend on guitars.
Oh well, things happen (or not) for a reason...
Irreverent
12-19-2007, 05:57 PM
Did I miss something?!? I could have sworn that when I bought my Gil Parris, the body was chambered mahogany. I was looking at the specs on the Rev site today, and the specs read: Korina solidbody. Black back and sides with cream binding.
Huh?
Depending when you bought your GP it may well be chambered mahogany. The newer ones are not. This is discussed extensively over on the Reverend page.
Depending when you bought your GP it may well be chambered mahogany. The newer ones are not. This is discussed extensively over on the Reverend page.
Hmmm. Well, I rarely frequent that board. I did a search, and really didn't find that much info. I did read something about the switch being done because of inconsistency issue with the mahogany.....which would explain why my Gil is so damn heavy for being chambered.
martyncrew
12-19-2007, 06:31 PM
yes....like that one that c-dub is selling...:)
:cool: my pyschic powers astound me sometimes...
portsider
12-20-2007, 05:05 AM
:cool: my pyschic powers astound me sometimes...
That's because you are in the Bay Area... hippie!:RoCkIn
martyncrew
12-20-2007, 07:30 AM
That's because you are in the Bay Area... hippie!:RoCkIn
I wish...
Rebel-Guitars
12-23-2007, 08:02 AM
Hey guys, haven't been around in a while. Anybody got a USA Metal finish Rev for sale? Maybe a Lava Swirl, Bugeye, Hot Rod Flame, or Ridged. Email or PM me.
Merry Xmas guys!
Jon Silberman
12-23-2007, 08:52 AM
FWIW, while I'd be the last guy to say the metal-topped Revs aren't the more valuable ones likely to continue to inflate in price more than the regular ones, tonewise, as the owner of 1 metal-top (and having played many more) and 2 (down from 3) regulars (also having played many more), I actually prefer the regulars. USA Revs are open and airy enough relative to their solid wood counterparts by other builders without benefiting particularly from 5-10% additional brightness from a metal top. Of course, this is just one person's opinion - YMMV.
c-dub
12-23-2007, 10:11 AM
Hey guys, haven't been around in a while. Anybody got a USA Metal finish Rev for sale? Maybe a Lava Swirl, Bugeye, Hot Rod Flame, or Ridged. Email or PM me.
Merry Xmas guys!
I've got a gold SSC in the emporium. I think I'm gonna keep the gold Hipshot SS and gold wolf with Bigs as my backup and open G guitar to my thorn.
martyncrew
12-25-2007, 09:07 AM
Happy Holidays to all! I'm headed (guitarless) to Chicago and Wisconsin for 2 weeks, back Jan 4th. See you all then!
Jon Silberman
12-27-2007, 08:13 AM
The only bad things about a vacation are leaving your guitars and pets at home. :)
Phillip_H
12-27-2007, 08:56 AM
Did I miss something?!? I could have sworn that when I bought my Gil Parris, the body was chambered mahogany. I was looking at the specs on the Rev site today, and the specs read: Korina solidbody. Black back and sides with cream binding.
Huh?
I'm pretty sure that yours is mahogany. They didn't make the change until fairly recently due to the aforementioned consistency issues.
HeyMrTeleMan
12-27-2007, 09:08 AM
The only bad things about a vacation are leaving your guitars and pets at home. :)
I just got back from Pennsylvania, having left my dogs and guitars at home. I really missed my dogs, and I mentioned to my wife I missed my guitars.
Fortunately there were some tasty acoustics at the MIL's home, due to my BIL's being players, too. There was a '72 Martin D28, a 1966 Guild F47, my own Takamine dread (all in mint condition!), and a "10 dollar guitar" of no consequence, but sounds great with a slide.:AOK So it wasn't a total bust. And Steve-O Claus was particularly good to me:D. I'll try to post pics of the recent acquisitions as soon as I can dig out of the hole I left here at the office!
Happy New Year to all my pals at The Gear Page!
Lowell Georgia
I just got back from purchasing my 1st Reverend -- the metallica blue Jetstream 390 and already put in an order for the Flat Roc w/ trem.
I can't believe how well these sound and play... I'm convinced it's a steal at the price!
ps...so now where can I find a replacement Jetstream pickguard? Tortoise might look really cool with the blue! ...or anodized gold! :jo
john1056
12-28-2007, 12:37 PM
I can't believe how well these sound and play... I'm convinced it's a steal at the price!
Thats pretty much true of any Reverend ever made :)
revnut
12-29-2007, 09:24 AM
Hi everyone. Wondering about the relative merits of the jetstream 390 vs the USA rev sling shot custom. Any thoughts? Are the pickups hotter in the USA rev? How is the whammy bar on the jetstream?
Thanks
chewynodoubt
12-29-2007, 11:33 AM
I was thinking I'd post this here. It is a performance of Elvis's 'Santa claus is back in town'. I used my recently sold Reverend Roundhouse 290 into the burn channel of a Fender Super-Sonic and a xotic RC booster. Tell me what you think. I am on the left in the green hat ( I have the intro solo and the endo solo). The Rev's sound great, why did I sell it again? oh well?
Santa Claus is back in town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCkwlKgublk)
portsider
12-30-2007, 12:08 PM
Hi everyone. Wondering about the relative merits of the jetstream 390 vs the USA rev sling shot custom. Any thoughts? Are the pickups hotter in the USA rev? How is the whammy bar on the jetstream?
Thanks
I like the sound of the SSC more. It has an airy quality that is unique, but the Wilkinson trem on the Jetstream is just wonderful. If you can pick up a SSC for $750 or less, grab it. Otherwise grab a Jetstream with the Wilkinson while they are still available, in fact do that anyway.
Route234
12-30-2007, 12:36 PM
Hi everyone. Wondering about the relative merits of the jetstream 390 vs the USA rev sling shot custom. Any thoughts? Are the pickups hotter in the USA rev? How is the whammy bar on the jetstream?
Thanks
I cant compare because Ive never played the USA but I own a Jetstream with the Wilkinson and I really like it. It plays great, I love the maple board and the tremolo is very nice. Much better than what I expected. I bought the guitar because of the maple board and the 3 P-90s but I was surprised by how good the tremolo is. Id never played a Wilkinson before but Im pretty hooked on it. The guitar stays in tune very well. Its not a dive bomber but its very good for the Jeff Beck type sounds.
revnut
12-30-2007, 04:09 PM
Thanks for the input. It helps a lot. Now does anyone have a blue jetstream for sale?
c-dub
12-31-2007, 06:45 AM
Having owned both, the JSs are nice but there's just something special about the USA ones IMO.
Jon Silberman
12-31-2007, 08:22 AM
I agree with c-dub.
BTW, after restringing my 3 Eastpoint Revs yesterday during the football game, I have concluded that Grover makes the crappiest locking tuners on the planet. Took me twice as long to restring my two Revs with (replacement) Grovers as my custom "Jerrycaster" with locking Schallers and PRS Custom with original "wing" locking tuners. Something always seems to lock or slip with the Grovers.
Glenn_K
01-01-2008, 01:21 PM
I agree with c-dub.
BTW, after restringing my 3 Eastpoint Revs yesterday during the football game, I have concluded that Grover makes the crappiest locking tuners on the planet. Took me twice as long to restring my two Revs with (replacement) Grovers as my custom "Jerrycaster" with locking Schallers and PRS Custom with original "wing" locking tuners. Something always seems to lock or slip with the Grovers.
Try the Wilkenson EZ Lock. :FM I'm looking for a suitable replacement and wondering if the Schallers will drop in.
Bassomatic
01-01-2008, 05:46 PM
How do you guys feel about the neck hums on some of the Reverends? I'm not over-the-moon with the neck on my Warhawk I. Anyone messed with alternatives?
Jon Silberman
01-01-2008, 06:10 PM
The neck HB on the import Revs are relatively weak in terms of output. This is not a mistake, it's done intentionally. The PUP is, I believe, only 6.5K ohms. If you replace it with something around 8.5-9.0K you'll notice a world of difference.
Jon Silberman
01-01-2008, 06:12 PM
From the Rev FAQ:
What is the ohm output rating, and magnet type used in your pickups?
The chart below is provided for informational purposes only. It will NOT tell you what the pickup sounds like! Output and magnet type are only two of MANY factors that determine a pickup's tone. We advise you IGNORE the information below, and read the descriptions at each guitar page for a better idea of what the pickups sound like in each guitar. OHM ratings are approximate.
PICKUP SPECS.
Humbucker
[bridge] 13K
[neck] 6.5K
Ceramic
Bassomatic
01-01-2008, 06:16 PM
From the Rev FAQ:
What is the ohm output rating, and magnet type used in your pickups?
The chart below is provided for informational purposes only. It will NOT tell you what the pickup sounds like! Output and magnet type are only two of MANY factors that determine a pickup's tone. We advise you IGNORE the information below, and read the descriptions at each guitar page for a better idea of what the pickups sound like in each guitar. OHM ratings are approximate.
PICKUP SPECS.
Humbucker
[bridge] 13K
[neck] 6.5K
Ceramic
Based on an underwound PAF, from what I recall?
john1056
01-02-2008, 08:04 AM
How do you guys feel about the neck hums on some of the Reverends? I'm not over-the-moon with the neck on my Warhawk I. Anyone messed with alternatives?
What are you going for? A humbucker is only going to do so much in the neck position...
Before swapping try raising or lowing the pickup, and if that doesn't help try raising or lowering the pole pieces. If you still aren't happy Lindy Fralin makes wonderfully clear and articulate pickups (if that's what you are looking for).
Bassomatic
01-02-2008, 08:22 AM
What are you going for? A humbucker is only going to do so much in the neck position...
Before swapping try raising or lowing the pickup, and if that doesn't help try raising or lowering the pole pieces. If you still aren't happy Lindy Fralin makes wonderfully clear and articulate pickups (if that's what you are looking for).
More boomf/bottom, a richer sound. The current pickup just strikes me as a bit anemic. I know I won't get an LP kinda richness out of this guitar, but that's what I'd like to hear a bit more of.
Jon Silberman
01-02-2008, 10:05 AM
The PUP is, I believe, only 6.5K ohms. If you replace it with something around 8.5-9.0K you'll notice a world of difference.
My advice hasn't changed. :)
john1056
01-02-2008, 10:58 AM
More boomf/bottom, a richer sound. The current pickup just strikes me as a bit anemic. I know I won't get an LP kinda richness out of this guitar, but that's what I'd like to hear a bit more of.
No harm in trying to raise it, its easy to reverse. If you lower the poles to flush them with the pickup surface you will get a rounder sound. The more the poles stick out the more articulate/single coily the pickup will sound. I have an SG with Gibson 57 pickups in it and I think they sound great, but I prefer a tighter cleaner sound to a boomy lowendy one.
john1056
01-02-2008, 02:37 PM
Couple of new guitars on Reverend's site today...
Bassomatic
01-02-2008, 02:42 PM
My advice hasn't changed. :)
And I haven't ignored it, Don Reverend, just seeing what other folks have to say as well.;)
Jon Silberman
01-02-2008, 04:04 PM
In that case you are a wise man. :AOK
swollen303
01-02-2008, 04:17 PM
Couple of new guitars on Reverend's site today...
The "Double Agent" looks interesting; combo of a bridge HB and neck P-90.
Would like to hear tone samples :drool
Bassomatic
01-02-2008, 08:13 PM
The "Double Agent" looks interesting; combo of a bridge HB and neck P-90.
Would like to hear tone samples :drool
Yes indeed.
Avenger
01-03-2008, 11:04 AM
The Ron Ashton signature guitar looks very cool.
BTW I have a new guitar player in the family. My eleven year old asked for a guitar for Christmas. I'd have given him one of my guitars, but he is a lefty, so I bought a bottom of the line Epiphone SG type guitar. The finish and construction are quite good, actually. It plays very well, but will eventually need new electronics. He has been playing it every day (unlike his older brother who got a bass last year and has not played it in quite some time).
It would be nice if Reverend does some lefty guitars in the future, because I have found that the selection of lefty guitars is almost non-existant. Maybe I could get something like the Ron Ashton guitar and flip it around to a lefty.
Fred_C
01-03-2008, 03:50 PM
If what is listed on the Rev site is what's new for NAMM this year, I'm pretty underwhelmed. I had been hoping for a return of lipstick pickups, maybe in a baritone configuration, or some other more exciting departure. I realize that last year was a major step in terms of new models, so maybe this year is a year for rest and consolidation.
martyncrew
01-03-2008, 05:36 PM
If what is listed on the Rev site is what's new for NAMM this year, I'm pretty underwhelmed. I had been hoping for a return of lipstick pickups, maybe in a baritone configuration, or some other more exciting departure. I realize that last year was a major step in terms of new models, so maybe this year is a year for rest and consolidation.
Agreed - is the Dbl Agent anything more than a Gil Parris with a different pup configuration?
Also, still no lefties. This doesn't directly affect me but would any other move immediately expand your market by 10%?
Avenger
01-03-2008, 05:54 PM
...This doesn't directly affect me but would any other move immediately expand your market by 10%?
I'd guess more than 10% given the apparent dearth of reasonably priced quality lefty guitars on the market.
martyncrew
01-03-2008, 06:02 PM
I'd guess more than 10% given the apparent dearth of reasonably priced quality lefty guitars on the market.
that's a very good point!
cbpickin
01-04-2008, 03:07 AM
Well, I joined the club today! I bought my first Reverend; a cream Roundhouse w/2 P90's. It is killer! I set it up for slide to replace the Historic '61 SG I've been using for the last 3 years or so. I changed the SG from 12's back to 10's and dropped the action back down.
I had the shop (Keith Holland Guitars) put 11's on and a tiny shim under the nut and raise the bridge slightly. Keith was cool enough to do it all while I waited. It is perfect right now.
This is the most excited I've been about buying a guitar since I stumbled on my '68 tele in 15 years ago! This thing is made for slide. The bass pot is such a great addition. It makes the neck pup so much more useable now.
I want another one! I almost went with the Warhawk w/3 P90's. That's a really cool guitar too. These things are ridiculous for the money, just plain cool.
martyncrew
01-04-2008, 06:25 PM
cbpickin - Congrats and good decision to buy at Keith Holland - great shop. You can't beat the Reverend P90s!
Glenn_K
01-05-2008, 05:18 AM
The Ron Ashton signature guitar looks very cool.
BTW I have a new guitar player in the family. My eleven year old asked for a guitar for Christmas. I'd have given him one of my guitars, but he is a lefty, so I bought a bottom of the line Epiphone SG type guitar.
I'm starting my 10 yr old daughter on guitar and she's a lefty. But I'm starting her as a right hand player. I've read several lefties do this. The only downside is that once they develop, there is a possibility that they won't have as fast of a picking hand.
portsider
01-05-2008, 05:53 AM
I'm starting my 10 yr old daughter on guitar and she's a lefty. But I'm starting her as a right hand player. I've read several lefties do this. The only downside is that once they develop, there is a possibility that they won't have as fast of a picking hand.
I wouldn't worry about it. I didn't know there was another way to play, so I started playing righty ("wrongy", as I call it). I have never been held back by my picking hand, my fretting hand is more of a problem.
I guess I should have paid more attention to Paul on the Sullivan show.
teleman1
01-05-2008, 08:23 AM
If I had a lefty child, I would not impose right handedness on them. My friend had a left hand shop and created international left handed day. Even interviewed by Matt Lauer. Switching to right is one of experienced left handers have a big problem with.. Why don't righties play left handed. Your forcing a round pole into an square hole;it will work if you force it. THere are plenty of left handed guitars at reasonable prices. Keep the kid the way she was born and whats natural. THey have enough obstacles without another being added;like knives and sicisors and eating next to a righty.
portsider
01-05-2008, 09:12 AM
I wouldn't force it, either. Guitar and rifles are the only righty things I do (except scissors:mad:) and they both came to me naturally that way.
Glenn_K
01-05-2008, 11:13 AM
I'm not sure its a matter of force. When you start on guitar, you're extremely unco-ordinated regardless of left-right.
Jon Silberman
01-05-2008, 02:27 PM
I wouldn't "force" it, however, if you start a lefty on righty guitars and he or she seems to take to it, I don't see any problem at all with that. It's quite different from the kid keeps trying to turn the guitar around and you "force" her or him to stop.
Avenger
01-05-2008, 03:09 PM
I'm not in favor of forcing either. For my son it seems that lefty was the natural way for him to go on guitar. He wouldn't even try to play one of my right handed guitars. He writes lefty, plays tennis lefty, throws and catches lefty, favors the left hand in basketball, but he bats righty and swings a golf club righty. He plays his brother's drum set which is set up righty, but he doesn't cross his hands for the snare and high hat. He plays those kind of lefty.
Since he got the lefty Epiphone for Christmas he has played (sometimes more than an hour) every day. He is really liking the guitar. He is an extremely creative kid, and he has just been exploring sounds and the fretboard. I've been showing him some basic chords so far. Lessons will be coming in the not too distant future, though.
Jon Silberman
01-05-2008, 06:27 PM
When I think of all the times I found myself in a jam or performance situation - everything from a bar to a campsite - without a guitar of my own and played by borrowing someone else's, I really see the benefits of having a natural lefty at least try first to learn playing righty before going lefty. I'm sorry, this has just happened to me too many times throughout my life to feel differently about it.
Avenger
01-05-2008, 07:29 PM
That is an excellent point, Jon. It is one I had not considered. I did, however, try to get him to play a righty for a while. He would only occasionally pick up the righty guitar and promptly flip it over to bang away at it lefty. It was not until I suggested to him that he might be able to get a lefty guitar for Christmas (he thought that a guitar would be too expensive to ask for for Christmas) that he showed any real interest in the guitar at all. Now he is very into the whole guitar thing. So for this boy, it seems it was lefty or nothing at all. He also plays Guitar Hero lefty...
Now I just have to hope Reverend will offer some leftys.
Jon Silberman
01-05-2008, 08:24 PM
I agree!
Seriously, your kid is a natural lefty, the type I referred to, in my original post on the subject, who I would not try to change.
cbpickin
01-06-2008, 11:22 AM
I'm a lefty and I play righty. When I started, I never considered playing lefty because all the guitars and players I saw were right-handed. I didn't know there was a choice.
I don't think it hampered me in any way, but I do agree that if your kid is drawn to play lefty, I would go with it. Fortunatley, I am pretty ambidextrous with a lot of things (kind of have to be in our world), so it was never really an issue for me.
Glenn_K
01-08-2008, 11:03 AM
I wouldn't "force" it, however, if you start a lefty on righty guitars and he or she seems to take to it, I don't see any problem at all with that. It's quite different from the kid keeps trying to turn the guitar around and you "force" her or him to stop.
Does this mean I should put away my yardstick??
Glenn_K
01-08-2008, 11:19 AM
Something for you guys and girls to brew on. I had my Warhawk II with Les Trem in the Rev hardshell case for a few weeks since I took it to NC with me and back. I just opened it up yesteday and found the neck needs some serious adjusting all of a sudden. MAJOR buzzing even without fretting--neck too straight. My thoughts are that possibly the Les Trem equipped Reverends should not be locked up in their cases too long. There is no way to politely shut the lid. Even if you remove the arm (not super-quick), the rest of the unit will be pushed down by the top of the case, causing all the strings to go slack. Not sure this is so good for the guitar for extended periods. Thoughts?
john1056
01-08-2008, 12:16 PM
Something for you guys and girls to brew on. I had my Warhawk II with Les Trem in the Rev hardshell case for a few weeks since I took it to NC with me and back. I just opened it up yesteday and found the neck needs some serious adjusting all of a sudden. MAJOR buzzing even without fretting--neck too straight. My thoughts are that possibly the Les Trem equipped Reverends should not be locked up in their cases too long. There is no way to politely shut the lid. Even if you remove the arm (not super-quick), the rest of the unit will be pushed down by the top of the case, causing all the strings to go slack. Not sure this is so good for the guitar for extended periods. Thoughts?
I think the fact that the guitar has this issue suggests its not a good idea to keep it locked up :( Maybe just use a gig bag.
john1056
01-08-2008, 01:07 PM
I agree!
Seriously, your kid is a natural lefty, the type I referred to, in my original post on the subject, who I would not try to change.
I've always wondered why a right handed guitar has the left hand doing most of the work ?!?!?
Jon Silberman
01-08-2008, 05:11 PM
For a guitarist who just picks, I could grok the perspective. For those who routinely chicken and finger pick, it's different.
Jon Silberman
01-08-2008, 05:30 PM
Any reports on the Double Agent? I'm actually considering turning my new LP into one, I dig the bridge PUP but the neck one just ain't working for me.
john1056
01-09-2008, 08:35 AM
For a guitarist who just picks, I could grok the perspective. For those who routinely chicken and finger pick, it's different.
Do you really think the right hand motion of chicken/finger picking is more complex? I guess I can see how that would be the case for some styles of music. Makes me think I should be doing more with my right hand :)
john1056
01-09-2008, 08:39 AM
Any reports on the Double Agent? I'm actually considering turning my new LP into one, I dig the bridge PUP but the neck one just ain't working for me.
I don't think its out yet, did you see this?
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Studio-Electric-Guitar-with-BFG-Electronics?sku=514556
Jon Silberman
01-09-2008, 08:39 AM
You should! Come down to No. VA anytime for a free starter lesson and I'll throw in a Rev Cong jam in your honor (seriously!). :)
I'm stuck at work....and don't have access to my guitar, but does anyone know off the top of their head what pots are in the Gil Parris Rev? 250k or 500k? I wanted to add a push-pull pot and forgot to look this morning.
john1056
01-10-2008, 07:22 AM
I'm stuck at work....and don't have access to my guitar, but does anyone know off the top of their head what pots are in the Gil Parris Rev? 250k or 500k? I wanted to add a push-pull pot and forgot to look this morning.
I would be surprised if their aren't 500K pots in there, that's what Reverend has always used for humbuckers.
c-dub
01-11-2008, 08:19 AM
Ok, I've come to my senses (yet again) and decided to keep my gold hipshot slingshot again, unless someone has a engine turn rev they want to trade.
I think I'm gonna put a tremel-no in it and it will be a perfect backup/second guitar to my Thorn Jr90, as with the tremel-no it can be either a strat-style trem guitar like the Thorn (hence the backup), or dive only, or twist theknob and it can be a hardtail for songs that need a hardtail or my open G songs.
Anyone know where I could get custom P-90 covers? I want chrome for the P-90s in the slingshot since the silver Revtrons look so good on my gold Bigsby wolf.
vpich
01-11-2008, 08:23 AM
Any reports on the Double Agent? I'm actually considering turning my new LP into one, I dig the bridge PUP but the neck one just ain't working for me.
hey john, i did this to my vm les paul. my neck humbucker crapped out so that was the extra push. i bought a humbucker sized p90 and couldn't be happier, i can now use the neck pup for rythmn playing as well. a little buzz but doesn't really bother me.
Jon Silberman
01-11-2008, 08:41 AM
hey john, i did this to my vm les paul. my neck humbucker crapped out so that was the extra push. i bought a humbucker sized p90 and couldn't be happier, i can now use the neck pup for rythmn playing as well. a little buzz but doesn't really bother me.
I have the same model LP, glad to know it worked out for you!
How would you describe the tone in the middle (both PUPs in parallel) position? Also, I assume you kept the volume and tone pots stock at 500K, is that correct?
sector9
01-11-2008, 08:54 PM
AHHHH we were almost on page 2 ! bump back to the top. man that was close.
Jon Silberman
01-12-2008, 08:00 AM
It is true that the Rev traffic here has been less of late. I think it's a combination of the end of the USA guitars (which to many if not most of us was and remains our primary interest) and beginning of the Rev forum (where there is more chat on the new models). Still, I hope we outlast the sun's hydrogen both because I love Rev designs and products and because this thread has gone beyond them to become an actual micro-community of good people. ;)
portsider
01-12-2008, 09:50 AM
It is true that the Rev traffic here has been less of late. I think it's a combination of the end of the USA guitars (which to many if not most of us was and remains our primary interest) and beginning of the Rev forum (where there is more chat on the new models). Still, I hope we outlast the sun's hydrogen both because I love Rev designs and products and because this thread has gone beyond them to become an actual micro-community of good people. ;)
Amen, brother. We would not be at this point without you, Jon.
HeyMrTeleMan
01-12-2008, 01:33 PM
Just for fun, I went to the very first post of this thread and the pix of Rev's Jon originally posted have mysteriously changed to pix of Reverend's newest offerings, as in the Double Agent and the Ron Asheton Signature!
Jon, did you edit this? Or is there a Ghost in the Machine?
Jon Silberman
01-12-2008, 02:09 PM
Just for fun, I went to the very first post of this thread and the pix of Rev's Jon originally posted have mysteriously changed to pix of Reverend's newest offerings, as in the Double Agent and the Ron Asheton Signature!
Jon, did you edit this? Or is there a Ghost in the Machine?
LOL! No ghost, I just linked to the Rev website home page so whatever Joe puts there is what you see. :)
What hardshell case are you guys using for your flatroc w/ les paul trem. The arm seems to be in the way for the regular Reverend rectangular case.
john1056
01-15-2008, 07:59 AM
What hardshell case are you guys using for your flatroc w/ les paul trem. The arm seems to be in the way for the regular Reverend rectangular case.
You should install a little domed glass cockpit for it, ala the Jetson's car, it would suite the vintage-modern vibe of the guitar nicely ;)
Just a few days ago Glenn was searching for a solution to this problem as well.
You should install a little domed glass cockpit for it, ala the Jetson's car, it would suite the vintage-modern vibe of the guitar nicely ;)
Just a few days ago Glenn was searching for a solution to this problem as well.
haha...
Was Glenn looking for the solution in this thread?
Glenn_K
01-15-2008, 11:08 AM
haha...
Was Glenn looking for the solution in this thread?
Well, what happened is that after leaving my Warhawk II w/Les Trem in the case for a couple of weeks, the neck needed a fairly large adjustment which seems consistent with having no tension on the strings (due to the trem being pushed down constantly.) It seems to me having zero tension on the neck constantly is not a good idea. I'm starting to think the Les Trem models should be kept in a gig bag or on display and only put in hardshell cases during transport.
It's possible the neck needed to be adjusted for a different reason (humidity change, etc) but I still don't like the arm being fully depressed while the case is closed for an extended time.
martyncrew
01-15-2008, 11:20 AM
Well, what happened is that after leaving my Warhawk II w/Les Trem in the case for a couple of weeks, the neck needed a fairly large adjustment which seems consistent with having no tension on the strings (due to the trem being pushed down constantly.) It seems to me having zero tension on the neck constantly is not a good idea. I'm starting to think the Les Trem models should be kept in a gig bag or on display and only put in hardshell cases during transport.
It's possible the neck needed to be adjusted for a different reason (humidity change, etc) but I still don't like the arm being fully depressed while the case is closed for an extended time.
Did you ask Reverend for any suggestions? I'd guess that they would be aware of this.
vpich
01-17-2008, 07:41 AM
I have the same model LP, glad to know it worked out for you!
How would you describe the tone in the middle (both PUPs in parallel) position? Also, I assume you kept the volume and tone pots stock at 500K, is that correct?
hey, sorry, didn't see this till now. to be honest i usually play either full neck or full bridge, but it does sound nice. i didn't touch the pots, and volumewise it's pretty balanced. they are voiced very differently though, the neck pup is dark and hollower and the bridge is bright and sharp. makes for a very versatile guitar and it's the first guitar i grab. i really like my manta but the vm is easier for me to play. the shape and neck are more comfy.
Jon Silberman
01-17-2008, 08:02 AM
Thanks for your response. In the end, though, I've decided to go with SD '59s in the neck and bridge slots.
Glenn_K
01-17-2008, 08:29 AM
Hey Martin, no I didn't ask Reverend about it. I think I will. I've also decided its a real shame they've discontinued the Wilkinson trem in the Jetstream. I know most of you guys aren't into the whammies, but it is far superior to the Les Trem, which is somewhat of an afterthought. Better than nothing, that's for sure, but not as graceful and I need to go deeper. The Les Trem is more of a Rockabilly type of trem vs the Wilkinson's Rock n roll dive. Lovin my Jetstream. Almost every show, people ask about my equipment. The last one, a guy was saying he knew Reverend made good guitars, but where did I get the amp head?
portsider
01-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Hey Martin, no I didn't ask Reverend about it. I think I will. I've also decided its a real shame they've discontinued the Wilkinson trem in the Jetstream. I know most of you guys aren't into the whammies, but it is far superior to the Les Trem, which is somewhat of an afterthought. Better than nothing, that's for sure, but not as graceful and I need to go deeper. The Les Trem is more of a Rockabilly type of trem vs the Wilkinson's Rock n roll dive. Lovin my Jetstream. Almost every show, people ask about my equipment. The last one, a guy was saying he knew Reverend made good guitars, but where did I get the amp head?
Amen on the Wilkie. I finally got off my butt and ordered a SB/maple JS390 when Joe announced it was being discontinued. It is a great sounding, expressive trem unit.
The maple board is really nice, I had adjusted to Reverend's rosewood jobs, but this one is a little bit special. I am enjoying this guitar a lot.
Kalalau Hiker
01-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Amen on the Wilkie. I finally got off my butt and ordered a SB/maple JS390 when Joe announced it was being discontinued. It is a great sounding, expressive trem unit.
The maple board is really nice, I had adjusted to Reverend's rosewood jobs, but this one is a little bit special. I am enjoying this guitar a lot.
+3
I have been hoping to find a Avenger T Lava Swirl WITH a Wilkie trem ..strat tones w no trem is a no no for me ...
I am considering trying a Stetsbar on my Rev Slingshot USA 3 P90
anyone ever do that?
Avenger
01-17-2008, 01:22 PM
+3
I have been hoping to find a Avenger T Lava Swirl WITH a Wilkie trem ..strat tones w no trem is a no no for me ...
I am considering trying a Stetsbar on my Rev Slingshot USA 3 P90
anyone ever do that?
I thought about the Stetsbar option before. My conclusion was that there is hollow space that would not support the Stetsbar. Let us know if you get it to work, though.
I don't think there was ever a Wilkie on any of the USA Reverends. The latest ones had a Hipshot trem, which is well regarded. Older USAs had other trems, that may not have been as nice as the Hipshots.
I think you can also have a standard trem professionally installed. Reverend used to do such conversions in house (long, long, long ago)
voojo
01-18-2008, 04:04 PM
Just picked me up a new Flatroc (in Rock Orange!) Really diggin the tones outta this thing, those Revtrons are unique pickups, very punchy sounding! The sound great through the Blackbird and my Olde 800! (Fargens that is.) I also have a Double Agent on order, so I will have a trio of Reverends. Great great guitars. After I get some more time with it I will post a more in depth review.
:JAM<--That's a Reverend!
martyncrew
01-18-2008, 07:18 PM
voojo - excellent, welcome to the Congregation! What delivery date did you get on the Dbl Agent? It doesn't look to be much of depature from previous models but the P90/HB combination is intriguing. I like the HB/LP sound but LOVE Reverend necks and scale length.
voojo
01-18-2008, 07:29 PM
voojo - excellent, welcome to the Congregation! What delivery date did you get on the Dbl Agent? It doesn't look to be much of depature from previous models but the P90/HB combination is intriguing. I like the HB/LP sound but LOVE Reverend necks and scale length.
Hi martyncrew, actually I have had a Reverend for awhile, the Daredevil HB, but when I was ordering that one awhile back I played a Flatroc and was intrigued by the Revtrons. I don't use them in the traditional Gretsch like twang, but more overdriven tones. I think they are somewhat overlooked, though Malcom Young got it right!!
I didn't get a set date on Double Agent delivery, sounds like they are quite backordered from what the dealer told me, Reverend was trying to move some production around to get more of them out. I don't have a P-90 guitar but I could see this potentially becoming my main axe, as I love neck single coils and bridge humbuckers!! Can't wait for the Double Agent!
Seth
Armor Gold
01-19-2008, 10:28 AM
Hello everyone... Long time reader, but not much of a poster. So here is my contribution. Please share your stories...
I first heard about Reverend Guitars from a well known Luthier and friend that I know. I was telling him how I just sold my Eric Johnson Strat to buy another very rare guitar. It was my only electric and I was feeling the pain after I sold it. I thought and still do think the EJ is the best Strat for your money. Well I said I've got to get another electric guitar that sounds that good for the money. He said I should check out Reverend. He knew a guy that came in that had a Rev and he played it (His first experience). He was very impressed with them and this guy has a lot of experience from amateurs to pros. He said they sound very good, they are inexpensive, and they are USA made. This guy has played them all big brands to boutiques. I bought a USA Rocco and the rest is history. I'm hooked and convinced that whether they are USA or Korean made they are still the best bang for your buck out there. Best kept secret in guitardom.
Please share your story.
Jon Silberman
01-19-2008, 01:32 PM
I know this is not what you're wanting to hear but by page 381, believe me, we've all shared our stories! :)
But excuse my manners: welcome to TGP and the Gallery - you'll come back now, hear?! :BEER
Glenn_K
01-19-2008, 02:43 PM
yeah, you've got some reading to do. And can I just say again, that the wilkie ROCKS?! :dude
mojocaster.com
01-19-2008, 02:49 PM
Well, I didn't share my story on that page that I can recall, but then again Dustin already knows where I first heard of them... through my buddy Lobstah, whose collection of Revs is second to none :D
portsider
01-19-2008, 03:52 PM
yeah, you've got some reading to do. And can I just say again, that the wilkie ROCKS?! :dude
That deserves repeating!:horse
Armor Gold
01-20-2008, 03:35 PM
Well thanks. Anyone else that would like to share a new story?
Avenger
01-21-2008, 09:19 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/tattooedcarrot/NAMM08/IMG_6960.jpg
I copied this from a NAMM picture thread.
Any other Reverend news from NAMM???
martyncrew
01-21-2008, 03:49 PM
PSA - there is an 98/9 EPN Avenger (Black, rw neck, silver guard) over on the FDP Classifieds if anyone is in buying mode.
Jon Silberman
01-21-2008, 07:18 PM
PSA - there is an 98/9 EPN Avenger (Black, rw neck, silver guard) over on the FDP Classifieds if anyone is in buying mode.
>> The serial number has worn off the back of the headstock.
Danger, Will Robinson!
c-dub
01-21-2008, 07:45 PM
Hi, Everybody!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/Dr_Nick.png/222px-Dr_Nick.png
john1056
01-22-2008, 12:30 PM
>> The serial number has worn off the back of the headstock.
Danger, Will Robinson!
You never know, that sharpie can wear off if you accidentally rub your hand against it a couple of thousand times ;)
PaddyBrumson
01-22-2008, 12:41 PM
Actually that's my Avenger for sale and when I got it used a few years ago the serial number was barley there and eventually wore off. I understand your concern, but it was put on with a sharpie 8 or 9 years ago. I've included photos with the ad of the front and back of the headstock. It looks and feels just like my Eastpoint Rocco's skunk stripe neck and don't know why someone (previous owner) would swap necks on a Reverend.
Jon Silberman
01-22-2008, 01:00 PM
It's not a neck swap that concerns me, it's the possibility the person who first wiped off the SN (or obtained the guitar w/o it) either stole that guitar or bought it knowing (or not knowing) it was hot.
Of my 3 Revs, one's a '99 that was heavily gigged, the others are both '01s, I believe. Neither shows even a hint of the S/N wearing off.
I'm sorry but without specific knowledge of any guitar's provenance, I would not buy, nor would I recommend anyone else buy, a guitar with the SN "missing." Please be clear that this is NOT a personal knock on you whatsoever, just a general feeling about such guitars because you cannot obtain a better title to anything than what the prior owner has, regardless of how innocent he is.
I bet, if you care to start a new thread in the Guitars section about the issue generally, you'll find many if not most people feel just as I do about this.
P.S. If you email Joe Naylor a description of the guitar, he might be able to provide you with the original SN.
PaddyBrumson
01-22-2008, 01:23 PM
I may check with Joe (he's at NAMM now) about the serial number, but that doesn't help with the history of ownership. I picked it up over a year ago on ebay and didn't think much about the worn state of the serial # knowing it was put on with a Sharpie and not a vintage piece where the serial number is important for authentification. I understand your concern about it's history and don't really have an answer to satifsy a potential buyer, which is why I was up front about it in the ad and didn't just leave that bit of info off and not show the back of the headstock.
martyncrew
01-22-2008, 01:42 PM
Paddy - I've seen lots of Revs over the years with very faint SNs and am not surprised or sceptical to hear that one/some of the early Revs SNs have completely faded. Whilst Jon's point has some validity, I suspect the real villian here is JFN's Sharpie not living up to its manufacturers claims about being permanent on porous surfaces.
martyncrew
01-22-2008, 01:44 PM
Hi, Everybody!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b6/Dr_Nick.png/222px-Dr_Nick.png
Hey C-Dub - how's the Thorn you rat-bastard traitor ? ;)
TheGuildedAge
01-22-2008, 01:48 PM
Hello everyone. I just sold a Hamer special and am seriously thinking reverend.
My list is down to a club king rt, a flatroc, or jetstream 390 with wilkinson.
Club King is cool, but kind of pricey with the extra tax and case.
Flatroc is nice, but actually needs an adjustment. Is this a legitimate concern, or coincidence.
Jetstream was the shocker. Hate the look, hate the sunburst, but it sounded amazing. However, is it true the wilkinsons are cheap?
Buckshot, ok, but not crazy about the tone compared to the others.
I am after a third guitar that can do clean sounds, nice, chimey, full cleans, but can also do thick overdrives. Any thoughts.
Jon Silberman
01-22-2008, 02:23 PM
I may check with Joe (he's at NAMM now) about the serial number, but that doesn't help with the history of ownership. I picked it up over a year ago on ebay and didn't think much about the worn state of the serial # knowing it was put on with a Sharpie and not a vintage piece where the serial number is important for authentification. I understand your concern about it's history and don't really have an answer to satifsy a potential buyer, which is why I was up front about it in the ad and didn't just leave that bit of info off and not show the back of the headstock.
Understood and you should be commended for it.
The reason I suggested contacting Joe is if he can ID who bought the guitar and you can ascertain that the guy you bought it from bought it from the original owner (or knows who the original owner is), bingo: you've established provenance. And this sort of thing happens just like this more than you might expect!
Lobstapickin
01-22-2008, 02:28 PM
I too would be a little skeptical about the missing serials. Seems to me you'd really have to work at it to get one to disappear... Only two of mine were missing numbers when I got 'em. One was polished off but still faint, the other burned off in an unfortunate smelting acccident. Wouldn't you pay particular attention when cleaning that area, knowing it is obviously a Sharpie? I doubt I would clean my signed baseballs with Windex!
Lobstapickin
01-22-2008, 02:34 PM
Here's an oldie that's been scibed twice with no detectable fading...
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/000018/mini-HPIM1338.jpg
c-dub
01-22-2008, 02:45 PM
Hey C-Dub - how's the Thorn you rat-bastard traitor ? ;)
It's great. But the Mantas arent too far off, which is a testament to them at that price point. I'm sorry to have to sell them but can't keep everything.
Oh, and I'm not a total traitor. I'll still have at least one if not two USAs, a DT2 is on my pedalboard, and 2 Hellhounds are my amps.
john1056
01-22-2008, 03:00 PM
Hello everyone. I just sold a Hamer special and am seriously thinking reverend.
My list is down to a club king rt, a flatroc, or jetstream 390 with wilkinson.
Club King is cool, but kind of pricey with the extra tax and case.
Flatroc is nice, but actually needs an adjustment. Is this a legitimate concern, or coincidence.
Jetstream was the shocker. Hate the look, hate the sunburst, but it sounded amazing. However, is it true the wilkinsons are cheap?
Buckshot, ok, but not crazy about the tone compared to the others.
I am after a third guitar that can do clean sounds, nice, chimey, full cleans, but can also do thick overdrives. Any thoughts.
Chimey is sort of subjective, but either P-90s or Revtrons will get you in the territory with the right amp, and both sound good distorted. You can't lose with any of your choices I don't think. At the moment I'm leaning away from P-90s towards Revtrons personally. I love the clean punchy quality of the Revtrons, and when they start breaking up they sound very musical.
Is the Flatroc adjustment on a guitar you played?
Jon Silberman
01-22-2008, 03:06 PM
I'm not a total traitor.
Translation: "I'm a partial traitor." :p
:D
TheGuildedAge
01-22-2008, 03:27 PM
Is the Flatroc adjustment on a guitar you played?
Yes. It is hanging in the store, but the strings clank on the 1st fret. I don't know if it's coincidence, or if the guitar might be more subject to weather.
I liked the flatroc and jetstream best. The buckshot is cool, but I dunno. It sounded more bland, with less character, than the other two.
I have a strat and dual humbucker guitar, so P90s or revtrons would be great.
My amps are a fender twin and fargen olde 800.
malvivant
01-22-2008, 06:07 PM
P.S. If you email Joe Naylor a description of the guitar, he might be able to provide you with the original SN.
I bought an early import Rev (one of the alder Chargers) on ebay last year, and it wasn't until I got it that I noticed it didn't have a serial number. Zack's initials are there, but above them...nada. There's no variation in the finish that would indicate anything had been removed. I wrote Joe Naylor about it, and he did answer regarding the production date of the guitar but didn't address the possibility or impossibility of a guitar leaving the Reverend shop unserialed. He's mentioned elsewhere that there are a few duplicate serials, so maybe scribbling numbers isn't Reverend's strong suit.
Oh, and before I wrote Joe, I wrote the seller regarding the guitar's history. His reply sounded legit.
Jon Silberman
01-22-2008, 06:45 PM
Holy schnikes!!! :eek:
http://www.gguitars.com/images/namm/day2/images/DSC_5673.jpg
The new Pete Anderson model! :D
TheGuildedAge
01-22-2008, 06:48 PM
Price?
portsider
01-22-2008, 07:09 PM
Hello everyone. I just sold a Hamer special and am seriously thinking reverend.
Flatroc is nice, but actually needs an adjustment. Is this a legitimate concern, or coincidence.
Jetstream was the shocker. Hate the look, hate the sunburst, but it sounded amazing. However, is it true the wilkinsons are cheap?
To me the JS390 with Wilkinson and maple board to the best of the batch. I totally love mine after a month or so of ownership. I have not played every model and I know there are many who would disagree with my Jetstream assessment, but mine is practically perfect, and I like the way it looks.
I also have a Flatroc and the Revtrons do have more chime if that is your need. Mine came to me used and perfectly set up.
john1056
01-23-2008, 11:09 AM
Holy schnikes!!! :eek:
The new Pete Anderson model! :D
Very nice. How big is it do you think? Bigger than the club kings or the same size?
c-dub
01-23-2008, 01:46 PM
Cooooooooooool Oh how I wish Rev made USA guitars.
Selling my Buckshot, $395, click here for details... (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=3549936#post3549936)
Crazyquilt
01-24-2008, 06:42 PM
That Pete Anderson model is super sweet. Not gonna make me sell my Heritage 525, tho'.
:Devil
But, then, I'm a traitor. :puh
Irreverent
01-24-2008, 07:21 PM
Ladies and gentlemen: this is a GALLERY, not a chat room or an emporium. MORE PHOTOS, LESS TALK!!!
Avenger
01-24-2008, 08:33 PM
Here to serve...:)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture632.jpg
Mike Duncan
01-24-2008, 08:37 PM
http://pic16.picturetrail.com:80/VOL664/3909625/8084735/109321335.jpg
http://pic16.picturetrail.com:80/VOL664/3909625/8084735/168451889.jpg
Mike Duncan
01-24-2008, 08:40 PM
http://pic16.picturetrail.com:80/VOL664/3909625/8084735/177475780.jpg
Avenger
01-24-2008, 08:59 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture1200.jpg
Irreverent
01-24-2008, 09:52 PM
Wow guys, not just any ol' Revs, but some real rare beauties!!!
Thanks kindly for the lovely pix!
Jon Silberman
01-24-2008, 11:31 PM
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/136928221.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/77692307.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/109294368.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/251893501.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/102120832.jpg
Lobstapickin
01-25-2008, 07:07 AM
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/HPIM1350.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/Revs/mini-clubking_full_length.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/tripleSW.jpg
Phillip_H
01-25-2008, 07:35 AM
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/tripleSW.jpg
Nice try! ;)
vpich
01-25-2008, 11:50 AM
Nice try! ;)
that's a pretty versatile 5 way switch
Paul Conway
01-25-2008, 12:34 PM
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/HPIM1350.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/Revs/mini-clubking_full_length.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/tripleSW.jpg
Lobsta...do you collect anything other than Revs?
I have five guitars in my house, and my wife's understanding is stretched. How do you manage? (-;
Lobstapickin
01-25-2008, 12:35 PM
I have a few Teles and Strats;
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/dpetitto/HPIM1482.jpg
vpich: Actually, it's an 11-way. Push-Pull pots and a couple of mini-toggles complete the array...
Jon Silberman
01-25-2008, 01:56 PM
Mary mother of ... oops, against the rules here. ;)
SouthernShred
01-26-2008, 07:27 AM
Lobsta, do you have any adult children? How do you feel about adopting a 30 year old who would love to be in your will?
Bassomatic
01-26-2008, 11:11 AM
>> vpich: Actually, it's an 11-way. Push-Pull pots and a couple of mini-toggles complete the array...<<
And an Escher-like ability to manifest multiple points of view simultaneously.;)
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