Reverend Gallery

[ol' bugeyes]

never once in my 5th grade history lessons was i informed that Sir Walter Raleigh was a player.:eek:

[Paul Conway]

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tony Ennis of Kentucky, thou art now mine sworn enemy!

[martyncrew]

Eric - the lute, viola, you name it and Walt played it!

[Paul Conway]

Q: Gadzooks! What strange game is that I spy?

A: What, yon tennis?

[ol' bugeyes]

martyn:

i was thinking more along the lines of 'playa' as in,

"Sir Walt and Sir Mix A Lot are some serious playas..."

[A42]

martyn:

i was thinking more along the lines of 'playa' as in,

"Sir Walt and Sir Mix A Lot are some serious playas..."
Well, my understanding is that they did wear hose in those days... :eek:

[mezcalhead]

OK, who can come up with the best Tony Ennis anagram?

NITE SONNY
NEON IN STY
TINY NONES
NOSE TINNY
STONEY INN
YEN IN SNOT

[martyncrew]

I just finished putting Avenger GT #0058 back to its original condition. Very interesting Reverend. Desert tan body with no arm rest; really flamey, wide flat neck with a dense and dark rosewood board; top mounted, very lightweight bridge; KA Str*t neck and middle pups with a split coil blade hb in the bridge. It plays well but the Made In The USA neck feels very un-Eastpointe-y, almost like an early PRS.

It is the most Strat sounding of any Reverend I ever played although the single coil setting of the bridge hb is genuinely nasty (not in a good way - major ice-pick highs!). The upside of this is plenty of "quack" in the split #4 position.

Anyway, nice to have the old girl back to stock!

[Jon Silberman]

Excellent - enjoy 'er. :)

[Glenn_K]

I got one of those "Rockon" pedal boards from Reverend. Now I'm rockin' on! Nice to have everything in one place and be able to jam it in a bag and just open the bag, pedals in place and be ready to go. I'm lovin' it.

[Jon Silberman]

Glenn, thanks for the tip. I may go for one. I like my homemade board but one of those will be better for transport.

[Glenn_K]

Jon, you might to get a larger model for all your pedals if I remember correctly. When I called, Steve said they could get any RockOn model. I got the standard smaller one because I didn't want to lug something huge around. It's already pretty big. I've got my wah, an echo, two overdrive pedals, a tuner, my Luxury drive, a vibrato pedal and I think I could cram one more thing on there. I also got the OneSpot power and 5 plug adaptor. So close to everything is powered from it. I need to get a couple more George L cable ends or short cables though. There would be room for your voodoo power underneath the second tier.

[Glenn_K]

Here's another tip. I just ordered an Eminence Tonespotter from Avatar's "scratch and dent" stock for $49. They still have more 8 ohms available.

[Avenger]

I got one of those "Rockon" pedal boards from Reverend. Now I'm rockin' on! Nice to have everything in one place and be able to jam it in a bag and just open the bag, pedals in place and be ready to go. I'm lovin' it.

Speaking of pedal boards, I may be expanding my small board in the future. Maybe one of the Rockon boards would be a good idea. I've been lurking and learning quite a bit on the gear page effects pedal page (major gas). Here is my current board. One thing is certain, though, the Drivetrain II is not going anywhere. I leave it on almost all the time. With any guitar, it sounds great.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture631a.jpg

[martyncrew]

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/martyncrew/detail?.dir=a463&.dnm=2d9cscd.jpg

Not much Reverend content but a very simple and effective pedal board!

[Jon Silberman]

I dig the Altoids for those "stinky licks." :p

[Crazyquilt]

I just took the plunge.

I've been thinking about trying Lollars in a Slingshot for a while. I really like my new-to-me SS, but, having a Lollar neck in my Aerodyne, I have some idea of what the pickups are like, and I think it'll be a very nice development. So, I guess I'll have to get over myself & desolder some of those nicely marked connections inside the SS.

I also have to say I'm really overly addicted to the phase switch. Funky!

[martyncrew]

Zak - that IS a nice SS, isn't it? The fingerboard is one of the nicest pieces of rosewood I've seen on a Reverend. I'm pleased you like the phase switch - it didn't grab me, if I want funky I need a Strat.

I'm sure that the Lollar P90s are great pups but I can't say enough good things about the Vintage Vibe P90s and they are much less.

Martyn

[Crazyquilt]

I almost went for the VV, Martyn, but :o I'm impatient. I can order the Lollars from Acme, and don't have to wait. If I weren't such an impatient dork, I'm sure the VV would have been great -- and with the swappable magnets (A5 or ceramic-8) it certainly would have been the better deal.

[P.Muck]

Portsider,
Are you still thinking about moving the input jack on your Rocco? I am getting ready to replace the pickguard on my SSC. I want to move the volume & tone knobs over a smidge and maybe re-locate the jack to the side while I'm at it. Problem is, I can't find a jack plate that will fit nicely on the side.
Anybody know where I can find one that is similar to the new jacks on the Stage Kings and Advance Series?

[Paul Conway]

Zak - that IS a nice SS, isn't it? The fingerboard is one of the nicest pieces of rosewood I've seen on a Reverend. I'm pleased you like the phase switch - it didn't grab me, if I want funky I need a Strat.

I'm sure that the Lollar P90s are great pups but I can't say enough good things about the Vintage Vibe P90s and they are much less.

Martyn

I've recently been getting my funk chops back up to scratch in prep for (hopefully) a new band. Been running through the Allen Slutsky 'Funkmasters' book, playing along with my (extensive) James Brown collection, etc....and the in-between position on my slingshot is perfect for that early-70's Phelps Collins/Jimmy Nolen tone, to my ears.

[Paul Conway]

PS - Rev sighting. The GP with Derek Trucks on the cover. See the looping article...

[portsider]

Portsider,
Are you still thinking about moving the input jack on your Rocco? I am getting ready to replace the pickguard on my SSC. I want to move the volume & tone knobs over a smidge and maybe re-locate the jack to the side while I'm at it. Problem is, I can't find a jack plate that will fit nicely on the side.
Anybody know where I can find one that is similar to the new jacks on the Stage Kings and Advance Series?

No, I decided that I like my Rocco the way it is. I keep the neck pickup split and the bridge in HB mode. I get a really versatile guitar with minimal fiddling that way. It sounds killer through my KS head with Reverend 4x12 cab.
Now I want to figure out how to make my SSC (premium no BC) less bassy. It is a great blues lead guitar, but I play open chord rhythm at least half the time and need something more jangly. What I should do is sell it and my Spy and get one of those Bigsby spys on the in stock page. I can't bring myself to let go of the SSC though.
No info on the input jacks, sorry.

[Glenn_K]

"Now I want to figure out how to make my SSC (premium no BC) less bassy."

Turn down the bass on the amp, up with the treble?
Also try using the UK mode.. that will definitely be more jangley than US, depending on the flavor of "jangle" you're looking for, but the US setting has a pretty heavy bass.

I know you love the Tonespotters, but since they only have a moderate high end that could be contributing. You could pull two of them and put in two Wizards which have an agressive high end.

Also, how about an EQ pedal? MXR make a good one.

One more thing... try experimenting with pickup height.

[portsider]

Turn down the bass on the amp, up with the treble?
Also try using the UK mode.. that will definitely be more jangley than US, depending on the flavor of "jangle" you're looking for, but the US setting has a pretty heavy bass.

I know you love the Tonespotters, but since they only have a moderate high end that could be contributing. You could pull two of them and put in two Wizards which have an agressive high end.

Also, how about an EQ pedal? MXR make a good one.

One more thing... try experimenting with pickup height.
Thanks Glenn!
I like to "set it and forget it" when performing, I know I have to alter the tone a bit with radically different guitars, but the SSC seems excessive on the bass.
I could swap two Tonespotters for the Carvin British Series in my 2x12 cab. (I know, but those Carvins actually sound pretty darn nice.) Maybe get the best of both worlds that way.
EQ pedal is not something I want to do.
So lowering the pickups would "roll off" the bass a bit? That could be the ticket.

[Crazyquilt]

So lowering the pickups would "roll off" the bass a bit? That could be the ticket.

Yes, but my experience is that you quickly reach a point of diminishing returns -- it often seemed with my SSC that when I had my pickups low enough to attenuate the bass as much as I wanted, I was losing a lot of signal. There seemed to be a very small zone between "too much bass" and "anemic." What actually put things in a place I could deal with was changing from 11s to 10s.

For whatever reason, I'm overall happier with the sound of the SS I've got than I was with the SSC, and the former has no bass contour, while the latter did. One thing I could never warm up to on the SSC were positions 2 & 4. It seemed like the bassiness of the pickups was even more of an issue on those positions, but I don't feel the same about the middle position of the SS.

Of course, I'm :NUTS so take my comments for what they're worth. :o

[portsider]

Yes, but my experience is that you quickly reach a point of diminishing returns -- it often seemed with my SSC that when I had my pickups low enough to attenuate the bass as much as I wanted, I was losing a lot of signal. There seemed to be a very small zone between "too much bass" and "anemic." What actually put things in a place I could deal with was changing from 11s to 10s.

For whatever reason, I'm overall happier with the sound of the SS I've got than I was with the SSC, and the former has no bass contour, while the latter did. One thing I could never warm up to on the SSC were positions 2 & 4. It seemed like the bassiness of the pickups was even more of an issue on those positions, but I don't feel the same about the middle position of the SS.

Of course, I'm :NUTS so take my comments for what they're worth. :o
Ah yes,Zak aren't we all? Funny I primarily play the 2&4 positons and they are really colse to what I want to sound like, but when I switch from any other guitar to the SSC, it takes too much knob twiddling to get it sounding right. I will let you know how it goes after the weekend.

[Jon Silberman]

One thing I could never warm up to on the SSC were positions 2 & 4. It seemed like the bassiness of the pickups was even more of an issue on those positions, but I don't feel the same about the middle position of the SS.
The frequency reinforcement/cancellation goings on are totally different between neck and bridge PUPs versus neck and middle/middle and bridge.

The neck and bridge combos on all of my 3 PUP axes are stellar. Great tones!

Here's two simple solutions to the treble loss situation you describe, Cq. (1) Add a blower switch (i.e., a switch taking the output from the PUPs direct to the output jack & bypassing the volume and tone pots (you can either add a minitoggle as I did on my Rocco with the Z90s or replace the tone control with a combination pot/push-pull switch, the latter being non-invasive/100% reversible); (2) replace the stock tone control with a dual pot 250/1000 meg pot like the Fender tbx pot.

Then, when in positions 2 and 4 and you want the treble and "bite" back, just bypass the pots or go to the 1000 meg part of the control.

[Crazyquilt]

Heh. Jon, I don't have the SSC anymore. I sold it when I bought Martyn's SS. Honestly, there were things I loved about the guitar, but things I just felt I was constantly struggling against. So I decided to quit fighting.

That being said, I'm already pondering what kind of things I can do with the SS. Some cosmetic, some electronic (other than the Lollars.) I'm seriously considering not only getting a new pickguard (probably white pearl) but completely rewiring the circuit. I might try 500k pots instead of the 250k pots that are in there stock. If I could find 500k no-load pots, I'd try that; maybe I'll do a push-pull with your blower mod.

If I were really ambitious, I'd do a 5 way superswitch with series & parallel 2-pickup positions, along with the out of phase sound, like the GuitarNuts super-Tele configuration.

But my first mission is just to get the circuit as-is together & working with the Lollars, and see what that sounds like. Then 500k pots. Then...who knows?

[Jon Silberman]

Another option could be to wire your SS the way I've wired my Rocco w/replacement Z90s:

(1) 4-way switch adding both PUPs in series.
(2) minitoggle #1 as a blower switch.
(3) minitoggle #2 as a phase switch.

If you don't want to drill the pickguard for minitoggles, you can get the same results with a pair of combination push-pull pots (personally, I think the minitoggles are functional and look quite cool :cool: ).

This is an awesome, versatile setup.

Both PUPs in series is fat and quite dark. But hit the blower switch and it's fat and biting.

Both PUPs in parallel out of phase is thin and funky. But both PUPs in series out of phase is in-your-face and snarky (like the "power out of phase" setting on '85 and '86 PRS Customs).

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/94025727.jpg

[Crazyquilt]

Well, there's already one miniswitch hole there; another doesn't bug me. I'll have to sit & doodle some circuit ideas & see if I can figure out what I want to do. I like that setup idea, though -- a lot.

If I did it as the guitar looks now, our guitars would look like fraternal twins -- mine just has the Bigsby.

[Jon Silberman]

If you have difficulty figuring out the wiring, Cq, drop Jim Collins an email or PM. You can tell him you learned what he advised for Phil Jacoby and Silberman in this regard made him a legend. :)

[martyncrew]

Enough of the techno-banter! Beth has her own clothing line...

http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/demo_cos_sec_models/NOS_womens_tshirt_green.jpg

[john1056]

http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/demo_cos_sec_models/NOS_ChargerHB_FM.JPG

I really liked this finish, sorry to see it go :(

[portsider]

I really liked this finish, sorry to see it go :(
It is pretty nice, you could grab that one. :angel

[Paul Conway]

Ok - so I didn't win the Vito.....I'll accept the Charger as a consolation prize. Do I really have to wait until 1/6/06, though?

[john1056]

It is pretty nice, you could grab that one. :angel
I'm very tempted. Two things stopping me; 1) I just picked up a G&L Legacy Tribute from Buffalo Brothers at an irresistable $275 (nice guitar BTW) and 2) I have a Epiphone Les Paul Elitist, and I think I would prefer the mahagony/maple combination to the basswood/maple one.

Still that guitar is so nice. If I hadn't just bought one....

[john1056]

Any Rocco owners out there put a different set of HBs in their guitar?

I've got Lindy Fralins in mine right now, but when I change the strings next, I'm going to put the stock PUPs back in there. The Lindys sound fantastic, but listening to earlier recording with the Rocco, I think Joe must have voiced his HBs specifically for the phenolic laminate bodies. They seem to sound fuller than the Lindy's, and the both PUPs and neck only settings were more usable (crisper - less muddy and dark).

[portsider]

I'm very tempted. Two things stopping me; 1) I just picked up a G&L Legacy Tribute from Buffalo Brothers at an irresistable $275 (nice guitar BTW) and 2) I have a Epiphone Les Paul Elitist, and I think I would prefer the mahagony/maple combination to the basswood/maple one.

Still that guitar is so nice. If I hadn't just bought one....
Wow, John. You and I seem to travel in the same circles. I just picked up a Tribute ASAT Classic from the same sale for $251. It was a stupidly good deal. :RoCkIn
Not being a Les guy I can't say, but I expect I would like the Reverend better.:D

[portsider]

Any Rocco owners out there put a different set of HBs in their guitar?

I've got Lindy Fralins in mine right now, but when I change the strings next, I'm going to put the stock PUPs back in there. The Lindys sound fantastic, but listening to earlier recording with the Rocco, I think Joe must have voiced his HBs specifically for the phenolic laminate bodies. They seem to sound fuller than the Lindy's, and the both PUPs and neck only settings were more usable (crisper - less muddy and dark).
I can't imagine changing mine out. The lead pickup is fantastic. I usually keep the neck pickup split and between the two I get a lot of sounds without much twiddling. What I like is they don't sound as dark as "normal" 'buckers. They sit in a perfect place in the mix in a live situation, kind of like a Tele. but with a wider tonal range. (I will shut up now before I ordain them "Pope".) :horse

[john1056]

Wow, John. You and I seem to travel in the same circles. I just picked up a Tribute ASAT Classic from the same sale for $251. It was a stupidly good deal. :RoCkIn
Not being a Les guy I can't say, but I expect I would like the Reverend better.:D

The Epi isn't my favorite player, but there are sounds that come out of it that don't come out of other guitars. It's that Jimmy Page sort of attack on the notes or something. I'll probably put my Lindy's in there when I take them out of Rocco. I think Lindy's belong in a Les Paul anyway.

How's the neck on the Tribute ASAT? The Legacy has a crazy neck, super flat, and wide. It's pretty comfortable, but I've never played anything like it. I thought it would be nice to have a guitar with a HB in the bridge and a single on the neck...It least that's what I was telling myself when I bought it :)

[portsider]

How's the neck on the Tribute ASAT? The Legacy has a crazy neck, super flat, and wide. It's pretty comfortable, but I've never played anything like it. I thought it would be nice to have a guitar with a HB in the bridge and a single on the neck...It least that's what I was telling myself when I bought it :)
It is pretty nice, easy to play. I think it is a nine inch with medium jumbos, but don't hold me to that. It has a beautiful ash body that is a little too heavy for my taste, but I wanted to have a Tele style guitar. It was such a drastic discount that it was a no brainer. It has a lot more bass than a Tele, but it still twangs. The vol and tone work well to mod the sound. I am really happy with it, it will not supplant my Reverends, but I will rotate it in as a backup/change-of-pace guitar. If I decide it is not a keeper, I expect to pretty much break even on Ebay.;)

[ol' bugeyes]

portsider:

does your rocco have zebra coils or the chrome cover HBs?

i was really digging my rocco (and still do for some things), but happened upon a great deal on a '79 ibanez as 200 with the original super 58 hums, and can't seem to go back.

anyone have suggestions for 'clarifying' the tone on my zebra coils?
(replacement excluded)

jon s: were you having this trouble with your original rocco PUPs?

p.s. anyone else want to see a club king with a flametop?

[Jon Silberman]

No, not trouble, just didn't care for 'em much in 'bucker mode or split. This is not a knock on Joe's HBs, I'm just not much of a HB guy, generally. The airy open phenolic design just screams soapbars to me and so I thought I'd try the Z90s in the Rocco and they're a very good fit.

Returning to the subject of HBs, though, I've fallen like a teenager for a schoolgirl over the Fralin Unbuckers in my new Jerrycaster, "Dark Star." These PUPs in a bolt on with a 25 1/2" scale neck have finally given me everything I've ever wanted from HBs regular and split.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/8450308/130747556.jpg

[portsider]

portsider:

does your rocco have zebra coils or the chrome cover HBs?

i was really digging my rocco (and still do for some things), but happened upon a great deal on a '79 ibanez as 200 with the original super 58 hums, and can't seem to go back.

anyone have suggestions for 'clarifying' the tone on my zebra coils?
(replacement excluded)

jon s: were you having this trouble with your original rocco PUPs?

p.s. anyone else want to see a club king with a flametop?
I have the chrome covered ones, and to my ear they do not sound like "humbuckers". They sound like a guitar. I like the lack of hum, and the voicing is just perfect, clear and articulate.

[Jon Silberman]

PUP preferences are highly idiosyncratic and subjective. In the end, you can't rely on anyone else's joneses, there's no substitute for doing the legwork to find your own nirvana.

[ol' bugeyes]

i'm finding that out. (particularly in my search for the right fuzz box...)

i like the rocco, but it's a little more 'rock' than i'm looking for right now. i suppose i'm still in the infatuation period with my ibanez.

i've checked out your jerry caster on the other post. nicely put together.

thanks for the info portsider. when you get chime, i get grind. perhaps it's just a matter of playing style.

[Jon Silberman]

when you get chime, i get grind. perhaps it's just a matter of playing style.

To me, chime is "upper mids & low treble," grind is "middle and lower mids."

[Avenger]

i'm finding that out. (particularly in my search for the right fuzz box...)

...

I'd be interested to hear about your fuzz search. I am a real fuzz novice. I just traded for a Fulltone '69. It has some very good sounds in there but it can be very challenging. So far I like it best into a wah and Drivetrain II for completely over the top, saturated gain. It may just be the nature of the beast, but it is extremely sensitive to volume, pickup, amp setting etc. I'm not sure whether it will stay for the long run.

Which fuzzes have you liked best with your Reverends?

[Glenn_K]

Terry, I use an AC Booster that I got recently. I love it. It can act as a fuzz or overdrive and has bass and treble controls that are very effective. I set it somewhere inbetween for a fuzzy overdrive. I also use the FullDrive 2 which has taken me awhile to get used to, but it really is a nice pedal. I set that for a mild overdrive.

[Avenger]

Interesting...I like the clips I've heard of the AC Booster. I didn't know it got into the fuzz zone, though. I may have to get ahold of one. Does it sound good with all pickup configurations?

[Glenn_K]

It does to me. And you can dial-in mega bass if you want. I usually add just a little treble and a little bass. It starts off a bit like a Tubescreamer type of sound, then goes into fuzzland. It's a permanant part of my setup. I was actually looking to buy another one of Xotic Effect's pedals (a different distortion/overdrive) but tried the AC Booster and liked it better. I would call the AC Booster somewhat of a combination of an overdrive/distortion/fuzz.

[ol' bugeyes]

To me, chime is "upper mids & low treble," grind is "middle and lower mids."
bingo. i think i might just dig in too hard, but it's too late to teach an old dog new tricks now. FWIW, the rocco gives me more chime through the alessandro than other amps.

my ticket to voodoo town is the DA fuzz face, vox wah, and slingshot combo, but my fuzz face is one of the ones from the late seventies that really wreaks havoc with my other pedals. (it gets radio stations really well though!)

[Glenn_K]

Received, installed and checked the Tonespotter. It totally kicks. Has plenty of low end, which really helps for an Avenger. Joe was right about this being a good one. I had a bit of trouble for awhile because the used 1X12 cabinet I got had a nasty vibration on the low notes and I couldn't figure out why. Finally isolated the problem to loose tolex in front of the grill. I'm going to have to get the grill out and glue down the tolex better. Any tips on getting this jammed-in grill out, and what glue to use on the tolex?

[Glenn_K]

Figured out the cabinet... had to unscrew the front panel from the back to get the grill off... also the 3M spray 77 glue is great on loose Tolex. This is a first for me. I'm rebuilding a cabinet. Easy.

[Paul Conway]

Now, I know this ain't exactly Rev talk, but I saw Maceo Parker last night, in a small, sweaty venue. What-a-GIG! What is he? 70? It's always nice to see one of your heroes and find that they are at the peak of their powers (same with McLaughlin, Wayne Shorter & Herbie Hancock). Go see him!

[P.Muck]

Does anybody know if the Planet Waves auto-trim locking tuners are drop in replacements for the Reverend non-locking tuners (on a later model Workhorse)? Has anybody upgraded or changed from the OST to locking tuners? What sort of tuners did you use ?
Thanks in advance

[Jon Silberman]

The last Rev I bought (a beautiful '01 NAMM SSC) came pre-upgraded with locking Grovers. The guitar did not need to be modified for them.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/107114740.jpg

[john1056]

The last Rev I bought (a beautiful '01 NAMM SSC) came pre-upgraded with locking Grovers. The guitar did not need to be modified for them.



How do you like them Jon? The SS I got on Ebay has locking Grovers, and I hate them. Putting on strings is a pain, I need a screw driver, and tightening them is tricky. I don't think they do a particularly good job keeping the guitar in tune either.

I think I recall someone here or on the FDP talking about putting Planet Waves tuners into a Stage King without modification.

[john1056]

Does anybody know if the Planet Waves auto-trim locking tuners are drop in replacements for the Reverend non-locking tuners (on a later model Workhorse)? Has anybody upgraded or changed from the OST to locking tuners? What sort of tuners did you use ?
Thanks in advance


Why do you want to replace them? Isn't the Workhorse staging in tune? My Charger 290 is the only Reverened I have without locking tuners and it stays in tune great, even when I play it hard. It's actually more solid than my SS which has Grover locking tuners.

[P.Muck]

Actually, it stays in tune great. My reasons for change are purely based on laziness and aesthetics.
I never seem to get around to nipping off that last bit 'o string until it pokes me.

: )

[martyncrew]

I have the Wilkinson locking tuners on a couple of my guitars and they work really well. Very simple idea - 2 holes at 90 degrees to each other on the post. Like most simple ideas, it works really well. I fitted them to a US Reverend without any mods.

[Jon Silberman]

Let me check my guitar when I get home as, truth be known, I'm not actually certain they're Grovers. :o

[P.Muck]

Thanks guys.

[Mike Duncan]

The Grover's are very easy to deal with. Put the string in and begin to tighten up. The cam will grab the string and then you're set. They're really user friendly. I don't much care for the way the look, the Sperzels look cooler...but we don't get to wrapped up in looks:p.

[john1056]

The Grover's are very easy to deal with. Put the string in and begin to tighten up. The cam will grab the string and then you're set. They're really user friendly. I don't much care for the way the look, the Sperzels look cooler...but we don't get to wrapped up in looks:p.

On the Grovers I have the peg doesn't even turn until tightened, and it tightens opposite the direction you turn to tighten the string. It's really crazy.

[ol' bugeyes]

on the replacement deal. (if no one has said it already) my avenger gt came with grover locking tuners installed and the original reverend non lockers in the case. no problems with the switch back to revs (not a locking tuner fan) and the guy who bought 'em stuck 'em in a warmoth strat neck w/o trouble.

bef

[Glenn_K]

OK, here is my first image post... my newly configured pedal board. It's packed. :RoCkIn

http://www.7doorsedan.com/pic/Gpedal3.jpg

[martyncrew]

Dude, you need a bigger board!

[Jon Silberman]

What's the pedal on the bottom left?

[Glenn_K]

That's the Luxury Drive. It's a bit like a compressor/boost, but it adds a little flavor as well. It's a "sounds better" pedal. I just leave it on all the time. It's great. Vintage Guitar did a review of it awhile back. Here is Harmony Central's review. I can't live without it. It really gives your amp punch.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/T_C__Jauernig_Electronics/Luxury_Drive-1.html

[Jon Silberman]

The replacement locking tuners on my SSC are Grover Mini Six-In-Line Locking Rotomatics.

[A42]

That's the Luxury Drive. It's a bit like a compressor/boost, but it adds a little flavor as well. It's a "sounds better" pedal. I just leave it on all the time. It's great. Vintage Guitar did a review of it awhile back. Here is Harmony Central's review. I can't live without it. It really gives your amp punch.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/T_C__Jauernig_Electronics/Luxury_Drive-1.html

I bought a Luxury Drive back when I thought I was gonna get a Goblin, but by the time it arrived I'd ended up with a completely different amp. I've never really warmed up to the way it sounds with my Z. I'll have to hook it up to the old Crate and see how that works.

Is that a Bud-Wah on the right? Had one of those, too. Sounded great, but a little too modern for me. (And it just wasn't my dear departed Dunlop I've had since the 80's.)

And no Fuzz pedal? What's up with that? :)

[Glenn_K]

There's a fuzz--it's the AC Booster. Sort of a cross between overdrive and fuzz, but it gets pretty fuzzy and thick. The name is deceptive.

And yes, a Bud-Wah. I just got it. I decided to go for something better than a CryBaby. It sounds nice. My real vintage pedal is the Boss Vibrato I bought new in the eighties. I'm still experimenting with the Rockton Tremelo pedal. That might not stay.

[A42]

And yes, a Bud-Wah. I just got it. I decided to go for something better than a CryBaby. It sounds nice.
Yeah, the CryBaby isn't what it used to be. That Bud-Wah is built like a freakin tank.

My real vintage pedal is the Boss Vibrato I bought new in the eighties. I'm still experimenting with the Rockton Tremelo pedal. That might not stay.
Let us know how that goes. I'm in the market for a vibe/trem pedal of some sort. I had a Voodoo Lab Trem but it died on me.

[Paul Conway]

Yeah, the CryBaby isn't what it used to be. That Bud-Wah is built like a freakin tank.


Let us know how that goes. I'm in the market for a vibe/trem pedal of some sort. I had a Voodoo Lab Trem but it died on me.

I can recommend the TC Jauernig trem - my only 'boutique' pedal, and very nice. Affordable, too. I also have an old rocktron 'Surf' trem/compressor - not bad.

[Avenger]

A42,

Still have your Hotshot Jr? How does it sound through the Z?

[Crazyquilt]

A42, if you're considering a Fulltone SupaTrem, I've got one. I don't love it, and I love trem. I can't even really quantify why I just don't groove with it, but I liked my old 2 knob Voodoo Lab trem better. And it makes no sense -- the sine/square and halfspeed functions are really cool -- and that may be it. It's got more 'stuff' than I needed.

Of course, now all 3 of my amps have lovely tube trem, so I don't use a pedal at all. :)

[P.Muck]

Thanks again for the responses to my tuner question. I put in a set of the Planet Waves Auto Trims this AM. They fit right in, no adjustments neccessary. I jabbed my thumb pretty good on the G string one last time while making the swap. :mad:

Pretty interesting invention, I wish I would have thought of them.
In case you haven't seen them, they lock like other thumbscrew-type locking tuners, and then the excess string is cut off after the the first half-turn or so while tuning. I didn't even have to change strings when I swapped out the tuners. Just unwound the strings, stuck 'em through the Auto Trims and threw away the inch and half piece of string that got cut off. After tuning up I played for about an hour and she was still in tune, so I guess that's good thing. Not that I had any problems with my old tuners...
One thing about these, the posts are all black, even with the chrome tuning knobs. It's takes a bit to get used to. If I still don't warm up to them after my new pickguard comes in, I'll probably go back to my originals.

[A42]

A42,

Still have your Hotshot Jr? How does it sound through the Z?
It sounds good through the Z, especially detuned and cranked up. Hasn't been getting a lot of playing time lately though. Did you see what that Jr. sold for on ebay a couple weeks ago? That's got me thinking real hard about letting it go.

In a move that will sound familiar to you, my wife bought me a Ric 360 for my birthday this past week. Used, but in pretty great shape. Awesome guitar. That probably means even less playing time for the Jr.

[A42]

A42, if you're considering a Fulltone SupaTrem, I've got one. I don't love it, and I love trem. I can't even really quantify why I just don't groove with it, but I liked my old 2 knob Voodoo Lab trem better. And it makes no sense -- the sine/square and halfspeed functions are really cool -- and that may be it. It's got more 'stuff' than I needed.

Of course, now all 3 of my amps have lovely tube trem, so I don't use a pedal at all. :)

Hadn't really looked at the Fulltone. I've been thinking of trying to find someone to take a look at my Voodo Lab (the 4-knob model) and see if it's fixable. If not, who knows?

[Avenger]

It sounds good through the Z, especially detuned and cranked up. Hasn't been getting a lot of playing time lately though. Did you see what that Jr. sold for on ebay a couple weeks ago? That's got me thinking real hard about letting it go.

In a move that will sound familiar to you, my wife bought me a Ric 360 for my birthday this past week. Used, but in pretty great shape. Awesome guitar. That probably means even less playing time for the Jr.

It certainly does sound familiar. My Ric gets some awesome sounds, but I have to say, I'd hold onto the Hotshot Jr. if I were you. My wife (along with Glenn and Jon) convinced me to keep it. Over the last few weeks I've found that it works great in the right application. The Ric is better at rootsy rhythm work, but the Hotshot Jr. is just a great rock guitar. If I use it like one would use a LP or an SG Jr. it kicks butt. It even kicks Rickenbacker butt in that application. I'm glad I didn't make a mistake by getting rid of it. You might want to hold it for another six months or so and see if you feel the same. It would only go up in value.

Also, you might want to try playing with the pickup height. When I decided to keep mine I thought I'd see if I could make it work better for me. I raised the treble side a hair so that the treble side is almost as high as the bass side and it now sounds awesome. Rock-n-roll all the way.

[Crazyquilt]

Well, you said you were doing the trem hunt, so I thought I'd just throw in some unsolicited advice. Isn't that what internet forums are all about?

[A42]

It certainly does sound familiar. My Ric gets some awesome sounds, but I have to say, I'd hold onto the Hotshot Jr. if I were you. My wife (along with Glenn and Jon) convinced me to keep it. Over the last few weeks I've found that it works great in the right application. The Ric is better at rootsy rhythm work, but the Hotshot Jr. is just a great rock guitar. If I use it like one would use a LP or an SG Jr. it kicks butt. It even kicks Rickenbacker butt in that application. I'm glad I didn't make a mistake by getting rid of it. You might want to hold it for another six months or so and see if you feel the same. It would only go up in value.

Also, you might want to try playing with the pickup height. When I decided to keep mine I thought I'd see if I could make it work better for me. I raised the treble side a hair so that the treble side is almost as high as the bass side and it now sounds awesome. Rock-n-roll all the way.
Not convinced to sell it quite yet. I use it pretty much only in the way you're talking. I don't see (yet) any overlap between it and the Ric. What it does overlap with is the Hamer I bought a couple months ago. (Double cut, goldtop, P-90's.) The Jr. is a great guitar, but I like the sound of the Hamer better. I can't really describe it, just something about the central tone of the 2 guitars.

Pickup height is a very good point. I bought mine from a dealer where it had obviously been hanging for a while. The setup is a little off for sure. I'll try tweaking the pup height and see how it goes.

[Jon Silberman]

Personally, I'm not a fan of single PUP axes. Never have played one I really preferred over a similiar double PUP axe. Yeah, I know all the arguments for 'em, especially in the context of Esquires. I'm simply not convinced the benefits outweigh what you lose.

[A42]

Well, you said you were doing the trem hunt, so I thought I'd just throw in some unsolicited advice. Isn't that what internet forums are all about?
Unsolicited advice can be good. Yours (which technically wasn't unsolicited) might easily save me $200 when I finally give up on getting the VL fixed. I'll be looking at the Fulltone and a little voice in the back of my head will say: "Didn't that sixgun samurai guy say he didn't like this pedal?" and I'll pause just long enough to not buy it. :D Seriously, do you think it's just that you have amp trem now? (Which ones, btw?)

The same thing happened to me just recently, also with respect to Fulltone. Their advice didn't really make up my mind for me, but got me thinking in a different direction, which turned out to be a good thing.

[A42]

Personally, I'm not a fan of single PUP axes. Never have played one I really preferred over a similiar double PUP axe. Yeah, I know all the arguments for 'em, especially in the context of Esquires. I'm simply not convinced the benefits outweigh what you lose.
That's part of it for sure. But I still think there's something fundamental about the tone of the Hamer vs. the Jr. that I like better. They couldn't be much more different, construction wise: set-neck solid body vs. bolt-on hollow.

I'm really bad at describing sound/tone (is anyone not bad at it) but if I had to try, I'd say that the Jr. has an "open" or "airy" sound when compared to the Hamer. There's something in it that reminds me of a Strat, almost.

[Crazyquilt]

Unsolicited advice can be good. Yours (which technically wasn't unsolicited) might easily save me $200 when I finally give up on getting the VL fixed. I'll be looking at the Fulltone and a little voice in the back of my head will say: "Didn't that sixgun samurai guy say he didn't like this pedal?" and I'll pause just long enough to not buy it. :D Seriously, do you think it's just that you have amp trem now? (Which ones, btw?)

The same thing happened to me just recently, also with respect to Fulltone. Their advice didn't really make up my mind for me, but got me thinking in a different direction, which turned out to be a good thing.

'68 SF Princeton Reverb, Swart Atomic Space Tone & a Supro 16T. The Supro just has speed, no intensity, but it's a great sound.

I think that, in part, it's that I have amp trem, although when I was playing more with amps w/out trem, and using a pedal, I eventually gravitated to the VL over the FT. Even in sine mode, I thought that the FT had a harder feel to it than the VL. And, in the end, I think the tweakability worked against it for me -- too much knob twiddling. I always felt I was losing something -- I'd get the fast speed where I liked it, but when I hit the half-time, it was too slow, or I'd get the sine trem nicely set up, but if I popped over to square wave, it sounded all wrong.

Also, to my ears, a good tube bias trem does something special to the tone, almost a slightly phased effect, that I don't hear in a pedal.

[Glenn_K]

Saw the new Rev add in Vintage Guitar and noticed the Jetstream has (or will have) an option for humbuckers. Interesting. I wonder if that would be 2 or 3? The Jetstream is still the Stage King I find the most appealing (P90 version), although I wish the orange was still available. I wonder if more colors will be coming. It would be nice to have a larger selection.

[Glenn_K]

I'd say that the Jr. has an "open" or "airy" sound when compared to the Hamer. There's something in it that reminds me of a Strat, almost.

I think that open airy sound is there a bit in all the old-style Reverends.

[Jon Silberman]

+1.

[ol' bugeyes]

if after all the discussion and repair attempts you're still searching for a nice trem pedal check out the redwitch pentavocal. sounds like it goes from old school tube trem to crazy space chop. they are very difficult to find on a web search so i'll include a linke here:

http://www.redwitchanalogpedals.com

musictoyz.com has them for sale.

good luck.

[A42]

I think that open airy sound is there a bit in all the old-style Reverends.

Yeah, I figured as much. I'm not sure I dig it with the hot P-90. I think I'm going to give it a good setup and try different heights for the pup. See if that makes a difference. Might try lowering the pup, too.

[A42]

'68 SF Princeton Reverb, Swart Atomic Space Tone & a Supro 16T.

Nice trio. A store around here had a 69-70 PR a couple months ago. They wanted too much for it but I was tempted anyway. Fortunately (or unfortunately) it was not working the day I went in to try it.

I looked *very* seriously at the AST before I bought the Z. I really dig the feel of 6V6-based amps. How's a Tele through that baby?

[A42]

if after all the discussion and repair attempts you're still searching for a nice trem pedal check out the redwitch pentavocal. sounds like it goes from old school tube trem to crazy space chop. they are very difficult to find on a web search so i'll include a linke here:

http://www.redwitchanalogpedals.com

musictoyz.com has them for sale.

good luck.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm. Butter. The clips on their website are awesome. Good call.

[Avenger]

Personally, I'm not a fan of single PUP axes. Never have played one I really preferred over a similiar double PUP axe. Yeah, I know all the arguments for 'em, especially in the context of Esquires. I'm simply not convinced the benefits outweigh what you lose.

But they do look cool;)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture632.jpg

[Avenger]

if after all the discussion and repair attempts you're still searching for a nice trem pedal check out the redwitch pentavocal. sounds like it goes from old school tube trem to crazy space chop. they are very difficult to find on a web search so i'll include a linke here:

http://www.redwitchanalogpedals.com

musictoyz.com has them for sale.

good luck.

I've been looking for a trem for quite a while too. I tried Glenn's Rocktron and it sounds quite nice. It is switchable between trem types. I also heard the Keeley modified Boss trem. Completely different from the Rocktron, but it sounded outstanding. I've been looking at the Redwitch too, those clips sure sound great. This one has me intrigued as well

http://www.catalinbread.com/sem.html

[A42]

I've been looking for a trem for quite a while too. I tried Glenn's Rocktron and it sounds quite nice. It is switchable between trem types. I also heard the Keeley modified Boss trem. Completely different from the Rocktron, but it sounded outstanding. I've been looking at the Redwitch too, those clips sure sound great. This one has me intrigued as well

http://www.catalinbread.com/sem.html

That's... different. It's a tremolo AND some sort of high-tech disintegrator ray. :D

[ol' bugeyes]

just a pre-emptive thanks to all.

yep, i saw the bugeye houser.

why do these things always come up during tax season?

[jackthecat37]

As far as trems, I've liked the Guyatone Flip V-TX, or is it VT-X? Does have a little volume boost though when you kick it in because of the tube.

[Crazyquilt]

I looked *very* seriously at the AST before I bought the Z. I really dig the feel of 6V6-based amps. How's a Tele through that baby?

Fantastic. Thicker than a blackface Fender, like my PR (actually, SF, but cosmetically only) with a lovely complex sound. I like playing Teles through both amps -- equally great, just different. But what really shines through the AST are P-90s -- my Slingshot sounds incredible. As much as I love the SFPR & Supro, the AST is my favorite amp, ever, bar none.

[A42]

After yesterday's discussion I did a quick setup check on my Jr.

The neck relief was a little high, but close enough. Most of my guitars are set up with a little extra relief, so no big deal. String action was pretty much right on spec. I'll probably raise it up a little next time I change strings.

There's no listing on the Rev. site for pup height for the Jr, but I assume it should be the same as the Slingshot bridge pup? Mine was a bit off. 8/64 on the bass side which is a little high, but about 4/64 on the treble side which is way too high. I lowered both sides to around 10-11/64 and it's definitely an improvement.

[Jon Silberman]

In my old age when I set my PUP heights I go strictly by ear (the manufacturer's suggestions are just that).

[A42]

In my old age when I set my PUP heights I go strictly by ear (the manufacturer's suggestions are just that).

I can get behind that, but it's good to know where to start from.

[Jon Silberman]

That's true. :)

[Glenn_K]

I have to admit to not straying much here. I like Joe's recommended settings. I just leave them there. At least so far. Now watch, next week, I'll be changing them all over the place.

[Jon Silberman]

If you just leave them there how can you know what you might be missing?

[Mike Duncan]

Well after two failed attempts at selling off my Wolfman, I'd say that the Gods are trying to tell me something...

First go 'round, it just didn't sell. Attempt number two appears to have netted me a dead-beat buyer. Looks like me and the Wolfman will not be separated...some kind of "Twilight Zone" type of thing going on.

[john1056]

Is it just me, or have the recent price increases translated to higher starting bids on Ebay?

[portsider]

Hey Martyn, look what just showed up on Ebay! If the bidding doesn't go nuts I may have to bite on that one. Isn't jackthecat one of "us". :)

John1056, I would say you are correct. Higher selling prices too. :eek:

[A42]

Is it just me, or have the recent price increases translated to higher starting bids on Ebay?

I noticed the same thing. Earlier this month a Jr. sold for $691.

[A42]

Well after two failed attempts at selling off my Wolfman, I'd say that the Gods are trying to tell me something...

First go 'round, it just didn't sell. Attempt number two appears to have netted me a dead-beat buyer. Looks like me and the Wolfman will not be separated...some kind of "Twilight Zone" type of thing going on.

Sorry to hear you got stiffed... but glad to know you'll be keeping that axe. Love that orange rockhide.

[martyncrew]

Portsider et al - those Blackcats are VERY nice straight ahead rock'n'roll animals. Avenger/SRV type neck pup tone, great middle position and that KA bridge humbucker really crunches. Also, the neck (pre-Eastpointe) is as good as any Reverend neck I've played. It doesn't have the vintage tint but it's very similar to the Eastpointe profile, has a semi-matte finish and a beautiful dense rosewood fretboard.

[Jon Silberman]

Mike, while your new Gretsch is truly in a class of its own, your Wolfman is a damn good playing and sounding axe, too. Keep it for those locales where you don't want a $2K+ axe weighing on your mind! ;) P.S. I am NOT referring now to my own basement. :p

[jackthecat37]

Yes, the Blackcat's on ebay. It was that or the yellow Slingshot, which I use alot more. I've been getting a bit of GAS lately and I'm trying to downsize. As far as the GAS, I'm not sure what will cure it at this point.

[Jon Silberman]

I just copped this sticker for my vintage white Avenger #291! :D

http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/74004606778080_0.jpg

http://www.jackofroses.com/ebay/wolf7.jpg

[Avenger]

I noticed the same thing. Earlier this month a Jr. sold for $691.

That is about 30% appreciation over the price of a new one.:eek:

[A42]

That is about 30% appreciation over the price of a new one.:eek:

Well, it included the case, so it's actually only a slight increase over new. Still, it *is* more than they sold for new.

[Glenn_K]

Holy moly. New stuff on Reverend site. New Stage Kings.

[Crazyquilt]

With the Les Trem widely available, I see -- and replacing the Bigsby. Kind of a bummer, although it's still available on the USA Pro guitars. I can see why Joe is doing it, and it does look cool, and I believe that it works, but I like Bigsby's.

'Course, I'm GASsing bigtime for a Gretsch, so I'll definitely be getting my Bigsby fix.

[Jon Silberman]

According to what I read on the site - if I'm interpreting it correctly - the Les Trem is a drop-in replacement for a standard LP-type stoptail. So it's not hard to see why Rev is making the change (they receive all their guitars pre-drilled the same way and decide later, when the orders come in, whether to simply swap the tailpiece for a trem or vica versa).

[A42]

According to what I read on the site - if I'm interpreting it correctly - the Les Trem is a drop-in replacement for a standard LP-type stoptail. So it's not hard to see why Rev is making the change (they receive all their guitars pre-drilled the same way and decide later, when the orders come in, whether to simply swap the tailpiece for a trem or vica versa).

Not quite:

a small hole is drilled into the body to mount the bottom plate that the spring rests on

Still, if all they have to do is drill 1 hole and swap the tailpiece and bdridge... close enough.

[Mike Duncan]

http://reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/guitars/stage_king_series/hi_res/warhawk_290_B_green.jpg


This is really cool!

[portsider]

This is really cool!
You got that right, Mike. I just about wet myself when I saw that green, and I don't even particularly like the Warhawk. That is the trophy wife of guitars.

[Glenn_K]

The Bigsbys are super cool, but the Les Trems are very appealing since they look to be getting back into that Hipshot territory. Of course, could be because I already have 3 Bigsby Reverends. But all I can say is yay for whammies all around! Interesting the limited Warhawk Bigsbys though... just not sure if I can get with the green or blue on those models. For some reason I like the blue on the Jetstream, but not as much on the Warhawk.

[Jon Silberman]

I, too, love that green one. Awesome!

[Avenger]

I saw that green guitar and I immediately thought of you, Mike. You sure do love those green guitars:D I could sure use a Bigsby guitar. Better do the taxes, maybe I'll get a better refund than I expect... And I still have to re-wire my Epi Les Paul, and I need some pedals and a new amp, and a bass and, and, and... :NUTS I am actually fairly sane in all other aspects of my life...:)

[Jon Silberman]

I just spent some time over at BAM and I have to tell youse guys, life is sweet for us Rev fans. For their one new Private Eagle we can have 8 or more used USA Revs. What's not to dig?! :)

[Jon Silberman]

According to what I read on the site - if I'm interpreting it correctly - the Les Trem is a drop-in replacement for a standard LP-type stoptail. So it's not hard to see why Rev is making the change (they receive all their guitars pre-drilled the same way and decide later, when the orders come in, whether to simply swap the tailpiece for a trem or vica versa).

Joe Naylor
Contributing Member

usa

Mar 22nd, 2006 10:19 AM Edit (http://www.fenderforum.com/edit_message.html?message_number=6535172) Profile (http://www.fenderforum.com/guestbook.html?user_name=Joe%2520Naylor) Print Topic (http://www.fenderforum.com/printmessage.html?db=messages&db2=topics&topic_number=215363) Search Topic (http://www.fenderforum.com/searchthreadgateway.php?topic_number=215363) One big advantage of the les trem is that now we can offer trem on any model in any color. Because the les trem replaces the standard stop tailpiece, we can install it here, per order, instead of shipping Bigsbys to Korea to be installed on specific models/colors. Now you can have that trem-equipped Charger or Warhawk, or for that matter a non-trem Flatroc.

[Crazyquilt]

We know your secret, now, Jon. You're gonna get outed....;)

[jackthecat37]

Anyone have a clue on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-Rocco-Guitar-from-Kid-Rock-Video-Rare-Slider_W0QQitemZ7401672125QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[martyncrew]

that's worth $379 of anyone's money! someone grab it

[Jon Silberman]

We know your secret, now, Jon. You're gonna get outed....;)
It's no secret, I've said from the beginning, I feel about the FDP like I felt about high school: it's not the school I can't stand, it's the principal of the thing. :D

Seriously, it's only natural for Joe to want to participate regularly on the FDP thread as opposed to here because one, it was first, and two, it's got way more of a rah-rah atmosphere relative to here. The folks there appear to be genuinely smitten with the Korean imports and the fact is that's what Reverend is selling the most of these days.

Among the many great things about The Gear Page is the administrators and mod's are open-minded and secure people. They don't freak and ban people when folks here reference other boards or even refer people there. To the contrary, they encourage it. So that's why you see me here quoting from Joe's posts on the FDP as opposed to the other way around.

[portsider]

Seriously, it's only natural for Joe to want to participate regularly on the FDP thread as opposed to here because one, it was first, and two, it's got way more of a rah-rah atmosphere relative to here. The folks there appear to be genuinely smitten with the Korean imports and the fact is that's what Reverend is selling the most of these days.
That makes sense, and he probably has to ration his surfing time, since he has a business to keep afloat.
You make a good point re: the imports being his money product. Neither here nor on the FDP do I see anybody posting about buying a new USA model. It is either used USA or (on the FDP mainly) Stage King guitars that people seem to actually buy. It makes sense. The imports are a better bang for the buck. I wouldn't pay current street price for an American Series Tele either when I can easily find a cheap one for $400 less. It would be different if my music was paying the bills, but for a wannabe wanker it is hard to justify $12-1500 for a new USA Reverend. I could get a great guitar, amp and an digital 8-track for that kind of money without even using any imagination.

[Crazyquilt]

I know, Jon. I was just pulling your chain. And, fwiw, I agree with you. I don't spend nearly as much time there as I do here. And, frankly, I'm trying to reducemy internet time in general, but that's neither here nor there.

[Jon Silberman]

I know, Jon. I was just pulling your chain.

Oh, I know that (and deserve it). :D

[Glenn_K]

Hey, those 5 string basses look super cool on the in-stock page.

[portsider]

Anyone have a clue on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-Rocco-Guitar-from-Kid-Rock-Video-Rare-Slider_W0QQitemZ7401672125QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
From the FDP:
"Joe, any information on the "Kid Rock" commando on Ebay? Would you add an initial if someone sent it to you?"

"We sent that as a video prop. The components are correct, and it appears all original. I don't believe we ever wired it up, but I might be wrong. It did not appear in a video. Yes, I'd initial it."

The seller says it works, so it might be a real bargain. I love the pickguard.

[Glenn_K]

The weird thing is seems like I've seen it on ebay before, yet this guy is acting like he got it from the original owner.

[bluesdoc]

Hey Jon!! I re-bought a blue Slingshot like yours (had one about 3+ yrs ago) and I'm loving it!! I sold it before when I also had a McCarty P-90 ax but that one is long gone, so..... there was room and the chance to snag one. What a great ax and AMAZING bang for the buck. I didn't wade through the scores of pages on this thread, but is there a retrofit trem for these guitars??

jon

[Crazyquilt]

Not afaik, Jon, although I figure a good enough luthier could work something out.

[Jon Silberman]

Jon, congrats on the Slingshot. It really is a wonderful instrument in every way but the best part of it is between sets in your gig you can flip it over and carve your sushi! :p

Easy on our aging backs and knees, too. :)

What Crazyq said on the retrofit trem.

[Avenger]

Reverend used to retrofit trems but no longer does so. The Hipshot trem that was used by Reverend for a time seems to be well liked by those who have one on their Rev.

[Glenn_K]

Looks like we're back up and running. Sad to say I just don't have time to make it to the Philly show this time around.

[plowkraut]

I'm trying to decide which new rev to get ( I have a Rocco) and I need some help. Options: charger 290, flatroc and charger HB. I'll most likely rule out the charger HB because of my Rocco (covering same ground etc. although the maple top is tempting) but would like to hear more about the other two. Can the Flatroc get Niel Young tones ala the Dead Man soundtrack? I'm not really sure what to expect from P-90s, any examples on famous recordings would be helpfull. Thanks in advance for any help.

[donnyrocker]

Just got a Flatroc this weekend. Lovin' every minute of it!

(into TopHat Club Royale 212 or Peavey Classic 50 or Vox VR30R+412 Fender cab)

My other " 'Tron" guitar is a Sheraton with TVJone Classic 'Trons. My #1 is a MIM Strat Standard with Kinman AVn pups. I A/B'd the Flatroc with the Strat and my SD Phat Cat loaded Epi Dot Studio. The Epi had significantly more output, sounds great, but there is definitely some über-cool twang that just can't be had with anything other than lowoutput, sparkly Tron-esque pups!

[Avenger]

Where's the Reverend love? The thread had slipped to page 2.

Congrats on the Flatrock, donnyrocker!!!

plowkraut, to my ears P-90s do the Neil Young thing great. I believe his black Les Paul has a P-90 and a mini-hum. Recently he has been playing a gold top Les Paul with p-90s. I'll bet the Charger 290 would work great for Neil Young tones.

[portsider]

My SSC with P90's is a lot bassier than my Rocco with Humbuckers. In fact I have to completely readjust the amp when I switch between the two. Is this normal or is it just the bright voicing of Reverend's Humbuckers?
I haven't had much experience with P90's other than Reverends, but I thought Humbuckers would be bassier than single coils in general.
The Rocco is the only Humbucker guitar that has enough high end to cut through the band with my style of playing.

[bluesdoc]

OK, thanks guys. Since playing the snot out of this ax at a few band practices and since locking my strat trem with a Tremol No, I think I'm just gonna go tremless for awhile ;)

jon

[Glenn_K]

My SSC with P90's is a lot bassier than my Rocco with Humbuckers. In fact I have to completely readjust the amp when I switch between the two. Is this normal or is it just the bright voicing of Reverend's Humbuckers?

The SS (and I imagine SSC) is very full sounding and brings out a lot of low end that can end up sounding muddy if you play in a larger band. That's normal. You can also try adjusting your pickup height. I find that in those situations the bridge pickup is the only one I can use.

[Jon Silberman]

Spent a bunch of time in Philly with Joe and amonte shooting the breeze. We missed ya, Glenn!

[carbz]

I am new here to the reverend club. I just recently purchased a custom wolfman from someone here on this forum before it went down. It is a beautiful guitar. Definatley a unique instrument. My only complaint about it is the fret size. I was surpised that Joe didn't use a taller fret wire on these pieces. The frets are like the same size as what came on the old Kramer pacer guitars. If it wasn't so expensive I would refret it with jumbos. All in all a great axe. I get some cool sounds out of it through my Naylor amp. Joe certainly has made some great gear..

[Jon Silberman]

Welcome, carbz. On the refretting point, to me, the key question would be is the axe a definite keeper otherwise? If yes, save up $25 bucks a paycheck and do the refret regardless of its cost relative to the instrument because that will make the difference to you.

[Avenger]

Spent a bunch of time in Philly with Joe and amonte shooting the breeze. We missed ya, Glenn!

Jon,

Any first-hand impressions of the new guitars? Any hints of things to come?

[Crazyquilt]

Speaking of first hand impressions, here's my take on my brand-new Warhawk, reprinted from the FDP:

Woohoo! Warhawk HB in the house! :RoCkIn

I have to say, I kind of got this guitar on a whim, as I haven't played anything HB equipped in years (with the exception of my Flatroc, which is a very different kind of HB.) But, I'd been listening to Boris and, especially, Derek Trucks, and that had whetted my curiosity about the critters. So....

First: Make sure to open your Reverend boxes at the TOP, else you get a shower of peanuts. :jo

Second, wow -- sure is a looker. I expected as much, and I was not disappointed. The newer SK necks seem to be darker than the originals; my Flatroc looks like a USA Rev, but the Warhawk has a nice stain. And it feels great. It's satin finished, so it's not gloppy, nor does it have that weird plastic-y feel that some satin-finished Fender necks have. It's got a little tooth, but in a good way, if that makes any sense.

Overall, it's very, very comfortable. And, of course, it's a thin, light mahogany body, so the whole guitar is very lightweight, well-balanced & ergonomic. The reverse peghead took me a bit to get used to, but by the time I'd gone from standard to open D and then up to open E, it was no problem. Tuners were smooth and confident. Oh, and no sharp fret ends, so there, GP!

I first plugged it into my SFPR, with a BJF Honey Bee, in case I wanted some extra oomph. Which, of course, I did. I had to tweak a bit, as the last thing through the amp was my Jazzmaster, so it was voiced a bit dark for the Warhawk. Easily taken care of.

From the first notes, I was very surprised at the clarity & articulation of the tone. The neck & nack/bridge did very well at cleans, with a lot of harmonic complexity and -- again, once dialed in correctly -- no mud. The bridge pickup was a little more vexing to me, until I hit the Bee.

Aaaah. I understand now. :dude

Really nice thick lead tone, but with good oomph & foundation. This is the first time I've owned a Rev with a bass contour that I've actually wanted -- rather than needed -- to use. Backing it off slightly made the tone more stinging, although it could get too thin if I rolled it off too much.

Of course, then I went back & played with the neck & neck/bridge through the Bee. Also highly enjoyable, and still no mud (to my surprise.) Thick & heavy but articulate. Lots of cool harmonic overtones on all of the settings.

I popped over to my Swart AST, which, to my surprise, wound up being more difficult for me to tweak to a place I was happy. I'm still not entirely satisfied, but it's not the fault of the guitar or amp, but the user. Also, I couldn't play very loud, since the neighbors have been crotchety of late (noise complaints at 5pm on a Saturday afternoon in a college town? Sheesh.) I think -- I know, actually, based on a few notes I hit at higher volume -- I'd be much more into the tone if I could get the tubes a little more into the game.

I wanted to run it through the Supro, but the little booger seems to have picked up some stray charge -- just touching the amp made my fingers tingle unpleasantly. I think it's time to get off my butt & have a 3 prong cord retrofitted. But I digress.

So, in summary: Great looks, extremely comfortable to play, and fantastic tones, from bright to heavy, clean to grind. While I'm a longtime Rev fan, my expectations for the guitar weren't that high (nothing having to do with Joe & co., just my general taste in guitars, ie, Teles, Jazzmasters, & P-90s.) Instead, I have a really cool, really fun guitar that has lots of character & tonal variety right out of the box.

As long as you open the box from the proper end. :o

[Jon Silberman]

I played one unplugged, that's it. They don't do much for me, the necks just aren't my cup of tea. Well made, though, definite price/performance winners.

[Glenn_K]

Spent a bunch of time in Philly with Joe and amonte shooting the breeze. We missed ya, Glenn!

I would have liked to come... oh well. Planted a tree in the front yard instead and had a jam session. Anyway as far as guitars, I continue to be attracted to the Warhawk and Jetstream but also still am lured by getting an SG. But in the end, lack of funds have been stopping me from all the above.

Since my 6 piece jam band has diminished to 4, I moved to my Slingshot and it sounded great with KS head and Tonespotter in a 1X12. I even used the SS coil tap for the first time live. Funky and fun. I tried to use my Strat, but ended up on going Reverend once again. Just can't help it.

[Crazyquilt]

I played one unplugged, that's it. They don't do much for me, the necks just aren't my cup of tea. Well made, though, definite price/performance winners.

As I said, I actually liked the neck quite a bit, but I'm particularly neck-agnostic. At least as long as my hands aren't acting up -- and, even then, a too-thick neck hurts as much or more than a too thin one.

To each their own. :cool:

[john1056]

A friend posted this today. Me playing my Rocco at a show in Altoona.

http://users.adelphia.net/%7Epaleolithic/altoona2004/image/manic_depression3.jpg

The one of my drummer the morning after is more entertaining (yes he is alive) :)

http://users.adelphia.net/%7Epaleolithic/altoona2004/image/trailer_camp.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Great pix! :D

[Paul Conway]

A friend posted this today. Me playing my Rocco at a show in Altoona.

http://users.adelphia.net/%7Epaleolithic/altoona2004/image/manic_depression3.jpg

The one of my drummer the morning after is more entertaining (yes he is alive) :)

http://users.adelphia.net/%7Epaleolithic/altoona2004/image/trailer_camp.jpg


Well, I think we've all slept in some, ah, unorthodox lodgings post-gig at one time or another. I hope you gave him a lie-in.

[A42]

The one of my drummer the morning after is more entertaining (yes he is alive) :)

Drummers. You just can't take them anywhere. Looks like he had a good time the night before, though.

[ivers]

Make it stop, I'm begging you! The GAS is killing me!

http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/guitars/jetstream_hb.html

I mean, at that price... what's wrong with it? Because to me this guitar looks supercool, and perfect (ok, in the vicinity of perfect at least) for my needs in the rock, fusion, (and blues, perhaps) department!

[Crazyquilt]

There's only one way to make it stop:

What color are ya getting? :Devil

[ivers]

yummy (http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/guitars/stage_king_series/hi_res/jetstream_hb_blk.jpg)

:drool

[martyncrew]

what Reverend wouldn't dress in black? ;)

[Jon Silberman]

Black is beautiful!

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/94025689.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Back is also beautiful. :D :D :D

Way to go, TGP! :dude:

[Jon Silberman]

PSA: Only 7 hours left on one of the original tooled vinyl Hounds.

http://cgi.ebay.com/REVEREND-HELLHOUND-TUBE-GUITAR-COMBO-AMP-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ7419309983QQcategoryZ10171QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Paul Conway]

Hey, Rev bass sighting: http://www.davidgarza.com/photogall/davidhillpics/cp-nina-loo.html

Dig that colour.

[Crazyquilt]

When I look at that photo, why can't I help but think of the title of the FDP percussion forum? :eek:

That is a cool color. I would've liked a SS in that color.

[Jon Silberman]

I'm sensing a significant drop-off here of Rev-interest, of late. I think I understand. While the imports appear to be likeable but they just don't excite many people I know like the old USA models and the amps and pedals are also gone so there's just not that much to talk about anymore. Sigh. Perhaps this thread's usefulness is nearing it's end?

[Mike Duncan]

I hate to see that happen. I find that I have less to say about my Revs, but enjoy reading what everyone else is saying about theirs. I'll admit, that I'm not savy with amp mods, but I can talk guitar whatnot 'til the cows come home.

I have discovered (FOR ME) that I have no interest at all in the off-shore models. I've said it before and I'll say it again, we have seen the rise and fall of tremendous American made guitar company - and that's a shame. Maybe the American Reverends will get a notable mention, like Micro-Frets guitars, in a Costco produced guitar coffee table book in several years.

Okay - back to more Reverend talk...!

[kingsleyd]

I'm sensing a significant drop-off here of Rev-interest, of late. I think I understand. While the imports appear to be likeable but they just don't excite many people I know like the old USA models and the amps and pedals are also gone so there's just not that much to talk about anymore. Sigh. Perhaps this thread's usefulness is nearing it's end?

I dunno... I have a cowboy-tooled Hellhound head and 410 that I often use for rehearsals with my band of work colleagues. We cover a stupidly broad range of pop and rock music -- for fun but also for occasional gigs, such as the wedding of some colleagues coming up in a couple of weeks.

Anyway, at rehearsal last night all I brought was the Rev amp (with a Drive Train), a Danelectro Reel Echo, and my Johnny A, and DAMN the Hellhound sounded good, no matter what we played. "La Grange"? No problem -- fat, bright, and greasy. Allman Bros? Excellent. Elvis? Oh yeah. Monkees and Beatles? Yep.

It may not be the hippest or the most amazingly toneful amp ever, and it certainly isn't boutique in any way, but damn it's a good musical tool for that sort of thing. There really wasn't one time where I wasn't 100% happy with the tone coming out of that 410 last night.

And yeah, some of it is because the Johnny A is a pretty nice guitar...

[Jon Silberman]

I agree 100%. I love - and I mean LOVE - my own Hellhound and matching Rev 1X12. It's my #1 "pick up and go" amp, period. And my DTII bumped my FD2 right off my pedalboard. I'm just sad they ain't making any new ones!

I always love discussing the USA axes and discontinued amps and pedals but lately there just hasn't been all that much more to discuss about 'em, I guess.

[Avenger]

I'm sensing a significant drop-off here of Rev-interest, of late. I think I understand. While the imports appear to be likeable but they just don't excite many people I know like the old USA models and the amps and pedals are also gone so there's just not that much to talk about anymore. Sigh. Perhaps this thread's usefulness is nearing it's end?

I've noticed this too. I suppose I'm not too talkative myself. I get more interested in discussing gear when I am in a buying mode, which is not the case right now. I may get one of the imports in the future. They are certainly more in the price range that I prefer to spend on a guitar than were the U.S. guitars at the end.

I'll still be interested to see what new ideas Joe comes up with in the future.

[Jon Silberman]

I'll still be interested to see what new ideas Joe comes up with in the future.

Me, too. If past is prologue, he's gonna surprise us still with some of the cool shit up his sleeve!

[martyncrew]

Jon - I pretty much agree with you on waning/static interest. I think that the hardcore US Reverend base (We The Congregation) will remain but (obviously) won't grow significantly. On the other hand, I suspect that when Joe gets the Reverend Forum finally launched, there will be a revival of interest.

In terms of my Reverends, unless I want Tele tones, my SSC is my #1 guitar but my early Avenger GT and Blackcat are really just curiousities (possible future collectibles???). Likewise, my Club King amp and Rumblefish bass are my #1s in their respective categories.

I have played the imports and really wanted to like them more than I did. I thought that they were good but no better than similar priced PRS models. One thing I have noticed with the imports and with the SS/Bigsby that I bought and then resold to Zak is that I prefer the Fender style hardtail style bridge to the Gibson style bridge and stop bar. Maybe it's because I've always been a Tele player but the action, string tension, palm position, etc., of the Fender style hardtail bridge just seem to suit my playing style better.

My 2 cents...

[Mike Duncan]

I thought my Costco comment was funny - I stand corrected. No more coffee table humor.

[Jon Silberman]

Don't sweat it Mike - I thought it was funny, too. :D

P.S. Have you noticed Micro-Frets are back in production?

http://www.microfrets.com/index.asp

[portsider]

I'm sensing a significant drop-off here of Rev-interest, of late. I think I understand. While the imports appear to be likeable but they just don't excite many people I know like the old USA models and the amps and pedals are also gone so there's just not that much to talk about anymore. Sigh. Perhaps this thread's usefulness is nearing it's end?
I would like to think the thread is just in a lull. It picks up when Joe changes something or cool NOS's show up on the in stock page. Personally, while I really like several of the imports, they are hard to justify when you can pick up a used USA model for about the same. For example, right now on the FDP want ads there is a Club King 290 w/ohsc for $500. There is a workhorse SS w/bag for $550 and a workhorse SSC with no price named. It seems like a no brainer that the workhorses are/will be worth more than the (admittedly top of the line) import. I was tempted by the Club King, but side by side with the SS it seemed to be a bad deal, and I don't really need a SS... so why buy either? Ok, so my thought process is convoluted.
Now if I could get a Stage King, any model, on Ebay for around $300 I would be all over it. I guess I am a fan of the imports, but was spoiled by what the USA models cost me. And there should have been a national day of mourning when the amps went out of production.

[mezcalhead]

Well, perhaps the focus here will change to trainspotting the old US Reverend amps and guitars .. it's not like people find any shortage of things to talk about regarding pre-CBS Fenders. FWIW, as the owner of a couple of pre-CBS Fender instruments, I can tell you they've been a lot easier to get hold of than a Reverend amp!

BTW, cool-looking bugeye Rocco w/bigsby on ebay.

[portsider]

BTW, cool-looking bugeye Rocco w/bigsby on ebay.
Yep. That will fetch a pretty penny.:cool:

[Crazyquilt]

I guess I'm just a beer drinker in a champagne world.* While I haven't clicked with my Flatroc, I really like my Warhawk. Yeah, I could've gotten a PRS or Epi or possibly scored a used Rocco in my desire to try out my first (non-Filtertronish) humbucker guitar in years, but I really liked the styling of the Warhawk. It's a Reverend, and it looks like a Reverend, rather than an inexpensive knockoff of a more expensive instrument. Truth to tell, I've actually had more fun playing it, especially in the past week or so, when I've been messing with all sorts of stompbox combination, than any other guitar I've got. (My AVRI Jazzmaster is running a close second, but I'm still working out the kinks & tweaking that one.) The Warhawk doesn't have any kinks, and hasn't needed any tweaking. The only thing I've considered is picking up a Les Trem from Stew Mac & giving it a whirl. I just can't stop wiggling that stick!

Perhaps it's an audience thing, since the FDP Congregation seems to be as busy, or busier, than ever. Hopefully, the long awaited Reverend forums will also be well populated.

--

* Odd, since I don't like beer, but like champagne pretty well.

[portsider]

Check it out!

http://www.reverendguitars.com/forum/default.asp

[Jon Silberman]

Now that the "official" Rev forum is up and running, I have to confess I'm feeling an unsettling feeling/ambivalence about participating on it. When all is said and done, by nature and from experience, I admit I'm more attracted to & suited for forums, like TGP, which do not accept money or advertising from gear builders/sellers.

P.S. I read Joe's rules - you guys will have to return here from time to time if only to trade/sell Reverend guitars. :)

[Crazyquilt]

Well, my time on FDP will probably go down, but this is still my favorite forum, hands down. Much as I love Reverend, I'm a gear polyamorist.

[martyncrew]

"polyamorist"??? you made that up didn't you?

[Pasteur]

I don't think that he made it up. I just looked it up and it means many loves. I'm afflicted by the same disease. I love Reverend gear (one Spy and one Rocco), but I also have a fondness for Music Man guitars.

I plan to check out the new Reverend forum, but I've been lurking here for over a year and it would be sad to see this, er, thread disappear. Of all the guitar gear maniacs I have read over the years, you folks are by far the most fun-loving bunch.

Anyway, it is bit lonely being a Reverend fan up here in Canada, so I hope that you'll keep this thing going. I'll try to contribute from time to time, but English isn't my native language and it takes me forever to write even a brief paragraph.

And for those of you who aren't bilingual, Pasteur means (what else...) Reverend.

[Crazyquilt]

Nope, I didn't make polyamory (http://www.polyamory.org/) up. I was going to go all Freudian on you, and say, "polymorphously perverse," but, well, that was even more needlessly esoteric. ;)

[portsider]

Jon S. I have come to know you to be a man of principles and I admire you for that. I am happy to run into you here and I will welcome any cameo in other forums.:RoCkIn
I figure more Reverend talk is better. Now I have three forums to hang in. They are all different and all fun to be involved in. I have never thought of music as a hobby, it is my passion. I have always defined myself as a guy who plays music. But gear talk and acquisition, now that is a hobby.
Pasteur, salut mon ami! Ma Francais tres mal. I would not have known English was a second language if you had not said so. You are welcome here.

[Jon Silberman]

Thank you for your kind words, portsider, though I must admit, my hesitation now re: the new Rev forum is not a matter of principle (in principle, I'm OK with a company-sponsored forum) as implementation/execution. There's an automatic conflict of interest for the Admins/Mods on such a forum plus it kinda has to chill our own discussion of issues. How many times have you heard folks here tell others to chill on the criticism of Scott, Brian, Alec, etc. in terms of, "Hey, you're in someone else's living room now, not the street ...?"

Anyway, if I have something I really want to say in the new Rev forum, by all means, I'll be happy to do so, but for day-to-day Rev discussion, as long as you guys keep coming back at least now and then, I'll be here, too (and if Joe drops some hot news first over there, please post a link or info. here, too!). :)

P.S. I noticed a new link to our thread on the Rev site, too. So like a seemless web, we're all connected. :)

http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/forum.html

[Crazyquilt]

Jon, I can see your side of things. You'll still be missed -- besides, I've already determined, through a complex process of Cabalistic & geomantic processes, that if you, Beth & Ajay all come to the RDP, then world domination will be assured.

Beth managed to shake off her addiction to WoW just in time to return to the RDP's opening.

Coincidence?

Seriously, I think you've got a good point, Jon, but I think that just how that will play out can't be determined yet. That has a huge amount to do with how the forum is run, and who the admins are, and I'm assuming Joe isn't going to run the whole thing himself. He's got more important things to do, like bring the TwangDog & TwangDog baritone to market! :D

In the meantime, how folks there conduct themselves will also set the tone significantly, and I would submit that, should you decide to show up on the RDP, the respect that many, if not most, of the early, core group of members holds fr you will reinforce the aspect of friendly support & honest criticism that you have.

[Jon Silberman]

Oh, I'll show up at some point soon, you can count on that. When I have something to add, I will!

In an off-line conversation with Joe, I recommended our very own Glenn as a moderator. Glenn has exactly the right kind of cool, fair, collected persona to excell at it in my view.

[Beth]

I have returned to the fold! Jon (and all the other congregants for that matter) you have always made me feel welcome here and formerly at the FDP so I will join you in whatever forum you post.

I finally played my Revs today for the first time in a long time. My Goblin must be mad at me--the tubes went dead. Thank goodness I have the KS too. I played all my Revs and after listening with fresh ears, I have to say I prefer the USA Revs to the imports. I still have my SSC, Advanced SS, Advanced Wolfman, first-run Flatroc and Club King 290. There was a definite zing missing from the Flatroc--the Wolfman just has that something extra. Not to say that the Flatroc doesn't sound good, just not as good as the Wolfman does to me. Now comparing the SS and SSC to the Club King 290 is a bit unfair because they really aren't intended to fill the same sonic space.

But all in all, I remain very satisfied with Reverend. I just wish the USA's could stay competitive and remain in production.

[Fred_C]

Beth, you are the first person I have seen to own both a US SS or SSC and a Club King 290. Is there a big enough difference between those models as far as the sound to justify owning both? what was your reaction to the club king - amazement, satisfaction, or ho-hum? I love my SSC, if I could own only 1 guitar that would be it. But the larger body, wood construction and f-hole on the club king really have my attention.

[Jon Silberman]

Also, Beth, what do you think of the placement of the controls and knobs on the CK? Is it perfect; do you find yourself hitting anything; is it OK but if you had your druthers you'd move X?

[Beth]

Fred,
There is enough of a difference that I am keeping the CK, but if I had to choose one over the other I would take the SS or SSC. The CK sounds warmer and more "traditional" than the SS/SSC especially on the neck p/u. The SS/SSC are punchier and cut through more--which is what I prefer. The CK is a really nice looking guitar and, for the money, I haven't seen anything on the market to match it. I guess my bias is, though, I came to Reverend looking for something a little out of the norm and found it in the unique construction and sound of the USA models.

Jon,
I don't find myself hitting anything with the control setup--I just finding myself wondering if the top knob (on the horn) is best suited as the contour control or should be the volume instead--but I tend to play closer to the neck so that's just me.

[Crazyquilt]

That front knob is the contour? Interesting -- I assumed it was the master volume, kickin' it Gretsch style.

I'm actually thinking of getting a CKHB -- if I manage to trade a couple of Tele pickups for a pair of Vintage Vibe HB sized pickups -- P-90 bridge & Charlie Christian neck. Backwards & somewhat wacky, I know, to buy pickups & then a guitar, but I am nothing if not backwards & somewhat wacky. :crazy

It'd definitely mean I'd be putting my Flatroc up on the block.

[Jon Silberman]

I think that P90/Charlie Christian combination sounds awesome, CQ.

As for how the controls are wired, don't buy or not buy any guitar because of that, we can always rewire the controls to taste.

[johneeeveee]

hey jon s.,
so, i'm curious... when you dropped those HD Z90's into your rocco, what did you end up using the toggle switches for since there's no need for the coil tap anymore? i saw a pic of one of your guitars and assumed that's what you did. knowing your affinity for personal choice and mods, i figure the answer is interesting. i am considering doing the same thing, but not sure what i would do to make use of those switches (maybe series and parallel?). any thoughts are welcome from you (and anyone else who wants to chime in).
thanks - jv

[johneeeveee]

hey jon s... so i dug around and actually found a thread on FDP that described in detail exactly what you did on my above question. i wouldn't want to make you write all that again. :)
sounds cool. i'm on the fence with what i'll end up doing with this rocco when it arrives. i got it for the eastpointe neck, and figure all the rest can be made to suit me if that's right. has anyone tried the Harmonic design Vintage Plus humbuckers? that might be my other way to go. i like Joes humbuckers, but think there maty be something else out there more suited to less overdriven tones.
then there's the gold pickguard which i might try to trade for a silver one, but that's another story:)
thanks - jv

[Jon Silberman]

Yikes, I can't believe you found that old post of mine on the FDP, we'd all better be careful what we type into the internet - electrons have quite the shelf life! :)

[Crazyquilt]

I think that P90/Charlie Christian combination sounds awesome, CQ.

Alas, someone else grabbed 'em before I did. But now i'm thinking of ordering some new....

[johneeeveee]

so, does anyone know if the spacing on rocco humbuckers works with any standard pickup covers? i have an early rocco coming that has no covers and would like to put some chrome or nickel ones on. please forgive me if this is an ignorant question, as this is my first humbucking guitar... i've been a single coil guy forever.
thanks - jv

[Jon Silberman]

I don't know the answer to your question but would advise you to at least give the stock PUPs a chance before making changes. Hey, I'm as quick to mod a guitar as the next guy but once you see and play it you may not want/need to!

[johneeeveee]

hey jon,
that's actually why i was asking about the pickup covers. i don't like the look of bare pickups and was wondering if standard covers fit over rocco hb's. i'm new to owning humbuckers, but i have played rocco's before and found the zebra pickups to sound best when driven hard, which isn't my style. i've liked seth lovers and was curious about a few others (fralin unbuckers & hd vintage plus). i was wondering if standard covers fit on these rocco pickups so i might play it for a while stock and see if i dig it. i did really buy it for the eastpointe neck, and i'm sure i can make it work as long as that is happenin for me.
thanks much - jv

[Jon Silberman]

I see. Well, in that case, I can't help - I don't know! :o

[johneeeveee]

i appreciate your taking the time to reply. no worries... i spoke to reverend and they said they might have some parts like that coming up on the site for sale in the next week or so, although he said the standard allparts chrome covers would probably work. just passing the info along for any rocco owners with zebra pickups that might want to cover them up.
thanks again - jv

[martyncrew]

Oh oh, Hellhound 00002 on eBay! Just might be bidding on that one - anyone want to buy a BF Bassman:rotflmao? (just kiddin').

[Glenn_K]

Now that the "official" Rev forum is up and running, I have to confess I'm feeling an unsettling feeling/ambivalence about participating on it. When all is said and done, by nature and from experience, I admit I'm more attracted to & suited for forums, like TGP, which do not accept money or advertising from gear builders/sellers.

P.S. I read Joe's rules - you guys will have to return here from time to time if only to trade/sell Reverend guitars. :)

Ok, I'm just catching up here after coming back from vacation and also from taking a bit of a break from talking Reverend. I visited the new forum. Nice... I have to admit the policy about not discussing guitars for sale feels restrictive.

[Avenger]

Ok, I'm just catching up here after coming back from vacation and also from taking a bit of a break from talking Reverend. I visited the new forum. Nice... I have to admit the policy about not discussing guitars for sale feels restrictive.

Talking about items on eBay has been a major part of both FDP and this thread. I can understand Joe's reason for imposing this rule, but you are right, it does feel restrictive.

[Crazyquilt]

I can understand the reasoning, as well. But I think it's more than a little restrictive. For USA Reverends, there's nothing to compete with -- the USA models aren't the same as the Stage Kings, and aren't available anyway. In my mind, anything which builds interest in & devotion to the Reverend line is a Good Thing for Reverend. When/if Reverend can fulfill orders for the Stage Kings immediately, that will lessen the competition of eBay. Not talking about amps or effects sales is a non-issue, as Reverend sells neither currently.

But it's not my call.

[Jon Silberman]

I do understand the no talking about Rev guitars for sale rule. In fact, I predict Rev will for a while at least be like Fender (especially in the '80's before it got cranking on reissues): chasing its own ghost. To me, there's nothing like the USAs and if asked that question on a forum that would be my reply which I don't think would be so appreciated on the Rev forum and I could see it definitely costing a new Rev sale or two here and there. So, I understand.

Que cera, cera! :)

[martyncrew]

Agreed - the RDP posting rules are a little restrictive and, whilst understandable from the short-term perspective (don't let re-sales compete with imports), in the long-term, supporting or even stimulating the re-sale market would be the really smart thing to do in order to build buzz and brand.

[Joe Naylor]

Ok, I'll give it a shot. Tomorrow I'll change the rules and see what happens. I can always revert if it becomes an issue.

I'm not really concerned with pro-USA commentary, or USA's competing with imports. It's apples vs. oranges, and I think USA prices are on their way to a higher price level anyhow.

My big concern was dealer response. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard dealer pressure was one of the reasons the original PRS forum closed, because it became a very convenient clearing house for used PRS's.

Regardless, let's see how it goes.

[johneeeveee]

i'm pretty new to these boards, but i figure people talking about, buying, and being out there playing reverend guitars of ANY kind can only help get the word out. there is a fine line of course, and i understand the caution taken by joe.
in my own experience, since i have started touring with a reverend guitar, lots of folks have inquired about them, and i'd be willing to bet that a few went out and bought a new one. they are great guitars that are also very unique and people take notice. well done, joe.
peace - jv

[Glenn_K]

Joe,

Thanks for being open-minded.

[Jon Silberman]

My big concern was dealer response. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard dealer pressure was one of the reasons the original PRS forum closed, because it became a very convenient clearing house for used PRS's.
First, Joe, that's very openminded of you to consider/experiment with doing things differently in response to feedback, thank you.

On the original PRS Forum, having been a Moderator at the time, my understanding is that the issue was not with the sale of used PRSi but rather with people posting precise new guitar prices and %-off-list numbers on the board, sometimes even with the details of the negotiating strategies they used to get their best deals!

This particularly PO'd the smaller dealers who could not compete with the discount prices offered by larger dealers with bigger inventories and more sales.

[Joe Naylor]

First, Joe, that's very openminded of you to consider/experiment with doing things differently in response to feedback, thank you.

On the original PRS Forum, having been a Moderator at the time, my understanding is that the issue was not with the sale of used PRSi but rather with people posting precise new guitar prices and %-off-list numbers on the board, sometimes even with the details of the negotiating strategies they used to get their best deals!

This particularly PO'd the smaller dealers who could not compete with the discount prices offered by larger dealers with bigger inventories and more sales.

Well if that's the case, I shouldn't have too much to worry about, as are dealer pricing is locked in and their territories are exclusive.

[martyncrew]

good move, Joe!

[ol' bugeyes]

that's one of my favorite things about what seems to be the whole reverend philosophy.

just when everyone has agreed that a certain actin was taken as the result of A, B, C, and D, joe usually winds up saying, "nope. i went for E, none of the above."

i know, blatant brown nosing, but i really do believe it's true. :AOK

[Jon Silberman]

Question for those here who are registered members of the Reverend Discussion Page. When you click on the Register option on the RDP, the statement you must accept in order to proceed includes this:


You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless this forum and their agents with respect to any claim based upon any post you may make. We also reserve the right to reveal whatever information we know about you in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by yourself.


Question: Did you all read this carefully and do you fully understand what it means legally and practically? As an attorney, I do, and it led me to discontinue the registration process and access the registration agreements for some of the other most frequented gear forums for a quick comparison.

I did not find equivalent boilerplate on the other forums I accessed (someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong).

This may be just me, but agreeing explicitly to, among other things, indemnify the owner/operator of a discussion forum for any claim based upon any post I make is not something I would view as a wise agreement to make. I'm also troubled by the requirement to agree that, by registering, the member agrees to the disclosure of all personal information available to the host in the event of a complaint.

[portsider]

Jon, I may be foolish, but I don't really have any concern considering who is in charge there. My take was that he is new to the forum thing and wants to be sure his business is not hit with some cripling litigation. Anyway, why not email Joe with your concerns and let us know what he says.

[martyncrew]

Portsider - exactly my thoughts. With this type of contractual issue (whether implied and otherwise), it's always good to ask "how likely is this to happen?" and, as you say, with Joe in charge, the answer is "not very".

[Jon Silberman]

The phraseology in question was very obviously written by someone with, if not a J.D., at a minimum a legal background and appears to be as much oriented towards the aftermath of potential litigation as to prevent it. I'm quite used to seeing such language in real estate contracts and other settings but obviously am a bit taken aback to find it on an internet forum. It is definitely addressed to a potential worst case scenario, that's for sure. Of course, I, too, think the world of Joe, personally, but now my "lawyer antenna" has been engaged and taking the same point of view towards my self-protection as Reverend has taken towards its own - i.e., worst case scenario - what else can I say?

Joe stops by now and then so if he wants to comment here, he can (and without fear of potential legal indemnification ;) ).

[mezcalhead]

This may be just me, but agreeing explicitly to, among other things, indemnify the owner/operator of a discussion forum for any claim based upon any post I make is not something I would view as a wise agreement to make.

Okay .. I understand your caution there I think .. if someone sues the RDP for something I said, I get to pay up. Theoretically nasty, but I have trouble imagining a chain of events that would lead to this.

I'm also troubled by the requirement to agree that, by registering, the member agrees to the disclosure of all personal information available to the host in the event of a complaint.

Well .. what *do* they know about me except my username, password, and whatever I post on the forum (which is public domain anyway)?

[Falstaff]

This thread makes me want to sell my Historic Junior and find a nice 3 P90 Reverend. Darn you all! :)

[martyncrew]

Falstaff - as the proud owner of a Reverend Slingshot Custom with bugeye metal finish and Vintage Vibe pickups, I can tell you that would indeed be a good move!

Martyn:)

[Jon Silberman]

Falstaff, I give you my personal guarantee [even if I can't agree to indemnify you if, upon reliance on my guarantee, you cop one and are later dissatisfied ;) ]: you will never regret it if you get a 3-P90 Rev. Joe's P90 axes have beef, too, but also an airiness/openness to 'em that is truly special. :D

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/107114740.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/107114758.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

With the crash of the old server last month, this is like deja vu all over again ... who's gonna get the first post of page 100 this time?! :)

[Crazyquilt]

That's why we're back before page 100 -- I thought I was going mad.

Well, madder.

:crazyguy

Oh, and Warhawk + tweed L'il Dawg D-lux = :cool:

[Mike Duncan]

Jon - Went up and saw Phil Jacoby last weekend...what a guy!!! Thanks for the recommendation!

Anyway, I'll be heading up again this summer to have him Silberman my SSC.

Did I hit 100?

[Jon Silberman]

Jon - Went up and saw Phil Jacoby last weekend...what a guy!!! Thanks for the recommendation!

Anyway, I'll be heading up again this summer to have Silberman my SSC.

Did I hit 100?
From the bottom up:

No. :( But I did! :D

Presumably you omitted "him" between "have" and "Silberman" ... or maybe you're just planning on giving me your SSC. :p

Absolutely. You're welcome! :)

[Falstaff]

Falstaff, I give you my personal guarantee [even if I can't agree to indemnify you if, upon reliance on my guarantee, you cop one and are later dissatisfied ;) ]: you will never regret it if you get a 3-P90 Rev. Joe's P90 axes have beef, too, but also an airiness/openness to 'em that is truly special. :D



Thanks for the guarantee, Jon, but posting those pics is just plain mean! :D

[Mike Duncan]

Thanks Jon.

No matter what I write, I seem to like to leave out words - even after proofreading, my brain still inserts the word giving me the fall sense that I've done everything right.

It's a great trick to have at work...bosses love that.

[Jon Silberman]

You should be glad, not sad, about that, Mike. One of the coolest, most powerful features of the human brain - totally different from computers (at least most hardware/programs) - is it ability to comprehend and extract the essential message from even garbled input, often without even bringing the issue to your conscious attention. :)

[Beth]

And one of the coolest features of this forum and this thread in particular is that we can go "off-topic" without fear of the thread being deleted or legal action being taken :D

[Jon Silberman]

The way I see it is we need brains to choose Rev guitars and play them competently so it's ALL on topic! :D

[Jon Silberman]

Thanks for the guarantee, Jon, but posting those pics is just plain mean! :D

I'm sorry but in this limited case it's "cruel to be kind in the right measure." ;)

[Joe Naylor]

The phraseology in question was very obviously written by someone with, if not a J.D., at a minimum a legal background and appears to be as much oriented towards the aftermath of potential litigation as to prevent it. I'm quite used to seeing such language in real estate contracts and other settings but obviously am a bit taken aback to find it on an internet forum. It is definitely addressed to a potential worst case scenario, that's for sure. Of course, I, too, think the world of Joe, personally, but now my "lawyer antenna" has been engaged and taking the same point of view towards my self-protection as Reverend has taken towards its own - i.e., worst case scenario - what else can I say?

Joe stops by now and then so if he wants to comment here, he can (and without fear of potential legal indemnification ;) ).

That legal blurb comes with the the territory. Reverend did not add that, it's part of the hosting package.

But I can see why it's there. When some guy on the RDP tells another guy to stick his wet pinky in a tube socket, everyone will get sued including Reverend, Belton Sockets, the hosting service, Internet Explorer, etc.! In the sue crazy USA, you have to be liabilty-protection crazy.

And Jon, as a lawyer, you know those liabilty agreements can get blown out of the water in court anyhow, if someone truely has a legit claim.

[Jon Silberman]

Joe, thanks for your reply. I accept your word 100% for how the language got there. However, it's still the case that I don't see any other music forum I frequent with such language as part of the registration agreement. Again, if you know of one that requires agreement to similar language, post it here, I'd like to see it.

Myself, I have no problem being held personally responsible and liable for any comments I make in any setting, including on internet forums. That's not what we're talking about now, though. What we're discussing is whether it would be wise for a forum member to agree to indemnify the forum host if the host is sued over the individual's comments.

Everyone can decide for himself how to handle this situation. Myself, I'd need to either discount the possibility of that event (the forum host being sued for my comment) to being close to zero (as some people here apparently are comfortable doing) or have extreme faith in the forum hosts legal/business/personal judgement as to when to fight a lawsuit, when to settle and under what terms, etc. to agree to that. Also, I'd like to know that accepting legal liability as an indemnifier is a less draconian option than other equally effective options available to the host, e.g., a suitable forum disclaimer statement.

Everyone is free to respond as he or she chooses personally, myself, I've made my decision.

And yes, you're right, a reviewing court might well dismiss the applicable registration agreement clause as a contract of adhesion and therefore not enforce it in practice.

[Jon Silberman]

E.g., here's The Gear Page's Registration Agreement (note especially the disclaimer paragraph I've highlighted):

In order to proceed, you must agree with the following rules:
Forum Rules

Registration to this forum is free! We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. If you agree to the terms, please check the 'I agree' checkbox and press the 'Register' button below. If you would like to cancel the registration, click here (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?) to return to the forums index.


Although the administrators and moderators of The Gear Page will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of The Gear Page, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.


By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.


The owners of The Gear Page reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

[Jon Silberman]

Joe and the entire Rev crew, Guitar One's Club King review is awesome! Congrats!!!

P.S. Though I can't agree totally agree with this statement as WE know! :D

>> Reverend guitars have been, well, revered by roots-rockers for years, but they've never quite achieved the recognition they deserve as quality instruments at a budget price.

[A42]

For sake of clarity, here's the definition of indemnify, from Merriam-Webster:

1 : to secure against hurt, loss, or damage
2 : to make compensation to for incurred hurt, loss, or damage

English Translation: if somebody sues the "host" of the forum (which I'd take to mean the ISP and not Reverend) over your comments then you agree to pay for that. That would include any settlement and legal costs. While I agree that the likelihood is low, the potential damages are very high.

[Joe Naylor]

All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of The Gear Page, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message



You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless this forum and their agents with respect to any claim based upon any post you may make.


Seems pretty similar to me.

[Joe Naylor]

English Translation: if somebody sues the "host" of the forum (which I'd take to mean the ISP and not Reverend) over your comments then you agree to pay for that. That would include any settlement and legal costs.

I can't see that happening, it wouldn't hold up.

[portsider]

I am with Joe on this. I don't endorse anyone agreeing to anything they are uncomfortable with, but I do not see any trouble coming from my belonging to the RDP.
Of course, I shread about half of what I get in the mail. So it is not as if I can't see the concern for legal caution.

[john1056]

I think I remember reading somewhere in these 100 pages what the closest set of Kent Armstrong split-tube pickups are to the pups used in Reverend Spys. As I posted at the Reverend forum, I got a Spy pickguard for my Eastpointe Slingshot, since I currently have 3 P90 Reverends :) I was also wondering if anyone knows if the "large-style Kent Armstrong lipstick pickups" refer to the non-mini split-tubes.

http://www.wdmusic.com/split_tube_guitar_13626_ctg.htm

Thanks!

[Joe Naylor]

I think I remember reading somewhere in these 100 pages what the closest set of Kent Armstrong split-tube pickups are to the pups used in Reverend Spys. As I posted at the Reverend forum, I got a Spy pickguard for my Eastpointe Slingshot, since I currently have 3 P90 Reverends :) I was also wondering if anyone knows if the "large-style Kent Armstrong lipstick pickups" refer to the non-mini split-tubes.

http://www.wdmusic.com/split_tube_guitar_13626_ctg.htm

Thanks!

The Kent Armstrong SLV-1 is the actual pickup we used. Use the reverse wound version in the middle position.

FYI - do not use the "hot" verson, they are actually weaker.