Reverend Gallery

[martyncrew]

My cover is blown. I threw in a lowball bid to get rid of the BIN.

Bob, your altrusim is a thing of beauty. I must say, I find the idea of a soft V neck on an Avenger an interesting idea but I'm covered for Revs now that I've added a Rocco to my SSC. BTW, I picked up an old Rocco tortoiseshell pg from Reverend and am going to drop some hb sized P90s in there. I plan to use it on my Blackcat so that it gets more playing time. I love the neck on the Blackcat but not the high-output pickups.

Stay tuned for my thoughts on the Goblin Deluxe. I need to spend more time with that amp before I'm really sure what I think of it.

[Jon Silberman]

Just curious, what were the specifics that made you feel this way? The bigger neck?

Yes. That's my one-and-only but highly significant factor for insisting on only Eastpoint Revs for myself.

[JZG]

Just curious, what were the specifics that made you feel this way? The bigger neck?

Yes, I much prefer the larger back profile. Not only do I find it more comfortable, I feel that it also enhance the tone and sustain. I have a Warmoth fatback on a Strat which I have no problems handling.

[portsider]

Bob, your altrusim is a thing of beauty. I must say, I find the idea of a soft V neck on an Avenger an interesting idea but I'm covered for Revs now that I've added a Rocco to my SSC. BTW, I picked up an old Rocco tortoiseshell pg from Reverend and am going to drop some hb sized P90s in there. I plan to use it on my Blackcat so that it gets more playing time. I love the neck on the Blackcat but not the high-output pickups.

Stay tuned for my thoughts on the Goblin Deluxe. I need to spend more time with that amp before I'm really sure what I think of it.
Yes I am a regular Albert Schweitzer (hope I spelled that right) or is it Grossman. It looked cool, but Avengers, other than TL's aren't really what I am looking for. My history with Strat setups has been less than satisfying, except when I was in a classic rock cover band.
Now the SSC, I could sell two I have if that landed in my hands.

[Phillip_H]

FWIW, I have never had a problem with bends or vibrato on my SSC.

[john1056]

In my brief experience with the Revs, the Eastpointes are the way to go if you can get them.

IMO unless its the neck you're after, the newer Reverends have a thicker body that gives them more fullness/stability, and the bass contour is a must have (at least for me).

[Beth]

Fred C--Have you tried experimenting with the pole-piece heights on your Wolfman? It took me a while to find the right pole-piece height to give me the sound I was looking for.

john1056--I too really like the bass contour especially for the P-90s.

[Mike Duncan]

I really love having the bass contour on my Rocco and Wolfman. I wish that my SSC had it installed. I would think the contour with the P-90s would be fairly unique.

I have to say that I wasn't real happy with the tone from Wolfman and ended up trading it for another guitar with a friend of mine. Well, I had traders remorse and got the guitar back and am just amazed at what I'm hearing coming from the Rev'trons. Crystal clear bass - that's what I'll call it.

[portsider]

Fred C--Have you tried experimenting with the pole-piece heights on your Wolfman? It took me a while to find the right pole-piece height to give me the sound I was looking for.

john1056--I too really like the bass contour especially for the P-90s. I agree, the bass contour on my SSC is a real help when I am trying to find a spot in the mix, playing live with my band. My Retro pro SSC has become my favorite pretty quickly. I like having the option of going from the full P90 thwunk to a janglier sound with one guitar.:AOK

[Jon Silberman]

I was unimpressed with the bass contour control on the axes I tried with 'em but I would be willing to give it another try (maybe I'll end up like Mike D. with his Revtrons :) ).

[martyncrew]

I was impressed by the bass contour's range on the Club King 290 that I played in a store. As Beth said, you can "lighten" P90s to where you get some Strat jangle and chime. I also think Bob's point about using the bass contour to dial in the right sweet spot on a gig is a good one. Overall, it seems like a very useful function. The Torres Tonekaster harness has a very similar set up on a push-pull tone pot, however, I hardly ever touched it.

[martyncrew]

Interesting snippet from Joe over on the RDP

"Right now we're doing about 100 per month. That's pretty small for an import line, but I think we've barely scratched the surface as far as potential sales go. We're growing this steady and not too fast, so we can keep the quality and service high. "

[Crazyquilt]

I hope Joe's right about scratching the surface -- and I hope they go deep!

I actually didn't much care for the bass contour on my SSC, but, then, I didn't get along with that guitar in general (which was very sad.) I do like it on both my Flatroc & Warhawk HB -- the latter, especially, is very useful. Oddly, I don't miss it on my Slingshot.

[Jon Silberman]

"We're growing this steady and not too fast, so we can keep the quality and service high."

With due respect, if the demand were there now for more I think Joe would be pretty darn happy to sell 'em. :D

For those of you who say you're getting chime and jangle from HBs and P90s when rolling off the bass contour, I'm happy for you but I think we must defining those terms differently. What I heard, e.g., with the bass contour control rolled off on HBs was not a true single coil tone to my ear. "Some jangle," maybe. But in any event, this will be my last comment on the subject, it feels sucky being the naysayer here on this subject. :o

[martyncrew]

Yep, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse.

OK, looks like Jon edited the post that I responded to, so my Faces/Monty Python reference makes no sense! However, it's always worth keeping a Monty Python reference.

[martyncrew]

...still trying to work out what I think about the Goblin Deluxe. It's very loud and big sounding for a 10" amp. I know Joe said that this was his take on a DR -and at 2 or 3 on the volume it does have the tone and punch of a DR just as it begins to break up - but the fundamental sound of the amp (set all controls to noon and let rip) it sounds more like a Bassman/Hiwatt/Marshall than a Fender DR to me. Interesting amp - totally different than my other Revs.

[Jon Silberman]

In terms of describing the difference in tone between a DR or VR - your classic BF/SF tone - and my HH I'd characterize the HH as different, too. It's fuller-sounding, less scooped. I love that about the amp, it's not an effort to clone a Fender like so many other builders are doing, it's its own thing. A truly great design, in my view. I hope Joe will see fit to resurrect it some day. A limited edition PTP version would blow me away - I'd have to find something to sell to fund the purchase were that to occur. :dude

[portsider]

In terms of describing the difference in tone between a DR or VR - your classic BF/SF tone - and my HH I'd characterize the HH as different, too. It's fuller-sounding, less scooped. I love that about the amp, it's not an effort to clone a Fender like so many other builders are doing, it's its own thing. A truly great design, in my view. I hope Joe will see fit to resurrect it some day. A limited edition PTP version would blow me away - I'd have to find something to sell to fund the purchase were that to occur. :dude The same goes for my Snake and Goblin. I just love Joe's amps. I feel so comfortable playing with that sound. I was using a Prosonic before, half the time I liked it and half the time I couldn't get anything good out of it. I am so happy to have gotten in on these babies.
I will be taking my Goblin and a 1x12 with an Alltone to a blues jam this weekend and open it up.;)

[Fred_C]

Beth which pole pieces did you adjust on your wolfman? did you use a meter to see where the signal clipped, or did you do it by how it sounded?

[Jon Silberman]

Thought I'd share this sale and acquisition.

Out with the 2X12 cab (sold the Strat, too, BTW - dug my Avenger more):

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/1133497/29560834.jpg

In with the 1X12 cab:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/1133497/174725685.jpg

I ain't lifting nothin' over 50 lbs. no mo'. :D

[Beth]

Fred C---I just adjusted them for sound. For the most part, I ended up significantly raising the 2nd row of polepieces (the row on each pup that's closer to the bridge). I also adjusted the height of the pup itself until I found what I was looking for. Not very scientific but it worked for me.

[martyncrew]

Jon - what speaker did you keep in the 1x12?

[Jon Silberman]

A MESA 90W Black Shadow, a Celestion Classic Lead 80 variant.

[portsider]

I am not going to bid on that after all, so if anyone was holding back, don't. I am going to play what I have for a while.

[JZG]

There's a swirly Rocco that just showed up on there too.

[Crazyquilt]

If I hadn't just gotten myself into a domestic dispute by getting a Koll, I'd be all over one of those lava swirls. Probably the Rocco -- I've got no shortage of P90s, including a Slingshot.

[Avenger]

I love those lava swirls. I'm in a gear acquisition holding pattern too, though. At some point I will get a guitar with a trem. It will probably be a USA Reverend, maybe a Rocco, but for the time being, I'm pretty happy with what I have. In fact, most days I'm quite sure I'd be happier with even less than I have.:YinYang

[john1056]

With due respect, if the demand were there now for more I think Joe would be pretty darn happy to sell 'em. :D

I think it might be more of an inventory problem. Everything is always backordered. Its hard to say how many people don't buy because they won't wait two months to get one.

[martyncrew]

Agreed - some major problems in the business model IMO but, man, what great designs.

[martyncrew]

Goblin Deluxe - I'm trying hard but, compared to my Club King, I'm not lovin' the little beast. Great crunchy tone but not much else. My gut is that it will headed off into the eBay sunset before too long...

[Mike Duncan]

Sorry to hear that Martyn. That was the impression of the Goblin I got when I heard one live...fantastic sounding when driven, but not much else going on.

[Beth]

Well from what I read about it, Martyn's Goblin is much more of a one-trick pony than a standard Goblin. I find my Goblin quite versatile. It sounds particularly great through my 2x12 cabinet. The problem I have with my Goblin is that I don't have it right now--still in the shop.

[martyncrew]

Mike and Beth - yup and yup. Luckily, my Club King amp restores my faith in Goblin-kind.

[Jon Silberman]

If you stop and think about it, shouldn't a big Goblin be a Uruk-Hai, not a Hellhound? ;)

[martyncrew]

I wonder (half seriously) if whoever runs the JRR Tolkein estate tried to copyright the term Uruk-Hai? Goblin is obviously a common-use term, but Uruk-Hai was Tolkein's own creation. Is there a lawyer in the house?

[Mike Duncan]

Jon?

[Jon Silberman]

Come on, I'm an environmental lawyer! :o

[Beth]

Goblins live outdoors ;)

[martyncrew]

Yeah, the Uruk-Hai are spawned from the bowels of the earth - how much more environmental can you get?

[Jon Silberman]

Yeah but when we treat hazardous waste, we generally prefer it not grow legs and run around killing even more people. :eek:

[martyncrew]

Bye bye Goblin Deluxe - check Emporium listings. First dibs to fellow Congregants then off to eBay.

[Beth]

I said a couple of Reverend goodbyes myself recently. First, I put my ClubKing 290 on consignment at a local shop. Second, I got my converted-from-SSC Commando GT. I am very happy with the conversion, since I already have a SS. So, I am down to my final four--Commando GT, Advanced Series SS and Wolfman, and first-run Flatroc. Amazingly, nothing in the current Reverend line interests me. Good for my pocketbook :)

[martyncrew]

Do we know who bought #15 Rocco off the Reverend website this morning?

[Beth]

You? ;)

[martyncrew]

NO NO NO - not my taste

[Mike Duncan]

I didn't anything on the site this morning?!?!

[Jon Silberman]

Amazingly, nothing in the current Reverend line interests me.

You're not alone, Beth. :(

Awesome collection of USA Revs you got there, BTW. :)

[martyncrew]

Mike - a Reverend employee sold #00015 - all white Rocco mod'd with string-thru' bridge.

[Mike Duncan]

I would have loved to seen it - no buying:rolleyes: - no really, I swear!

[martyncrew]

Yes, it's a shame that they don't leave some of this rare stuff up on an Archive Page

[Beth]

Awesome collection of USA Revs you got there, BTW. :)

Thanks Jon. I really need to get a digital camera---pictures of my Rev collection will be forthcoming whenever I get that roll of film developed. I am really happy with the look of the Commando--I went with a gold pickguard on the Moroccan gold finish.

[john1056]

Yes, it's a shame that they don't leave some of this rare stuff up on an Archive Page

Anyone who saw it could check their browser cache and maybe post the link. Some times the pictures stay up even though the link is removed for the in-stock page

[Jon Silberman]

It's a phenolic/plastic body, how different can it look? (Serious question.)

[portsider]

It's a phenolic/plastic body, how different can it look? (Serious question.) I dunno... all white would be hind of a cool look. Of course we could cheat and use Photoshop.:jo

[Beth]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/martyncrew/RevTrifecta.jpg
It looked pretty much like this one :)

[martyncrew]

Hey - quit posting pics of my guitars!!! Seriously, the Rocco ridgie in that pic is the one that I bought from Labeau & it should arrive today. I'm excited...

[john1056]

It's a phenolic/plastic body, how different can it look? (Serious question.)

I'm always amazed how different the colors/finishes make them look.

http://lommock.backhallnades.net/image/revs/slingshot.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Wow, love that pickguard - I'm duly chastised (I may need to order a similar one for my own black Rocco!). :)

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/94025727.jpg

[JZG]

Beth, that looks like a sweet little rig you've got goin' on!

[Jon Silberman]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i17/martyncrew/RevTrifecta.jpg
It looked pretty much like this one :)

Hey Beth - nice carpeting. ;)

[Jon Silberman]

Where is the best place from which to order a mother-of-toilet-seat replacement pickguard like john1056's? :drool

[Beth]

Hey Beth - nice carpeting. ;)
LOL! Actually that's not my pic, I lifted it from that other Reverend forum.

[martyncrew]

Jon - yes, a white mop toilet seat pg is in order. BTW, what pots did you use with those Z90s? I think Rev has some mop pgs still available for far less than my usual source (Chandler)

[Rebel-Guitars]

Looking to buy my first Reverend. I posted a WTB ad earlier today. Hope to be joining the conversation soon! Can anyone tell me if there was a version released with the Hot Rod Flames w/Maple fretboard? Add a Bigsby and that would be my ultimate Rev!

[portsider]

Where is the best place from which to order a mother-of-toilet-seat replacement pickguard like john1056's? :drool
Looks like Reverend still has them in stock.

[Avenger]

Looking to buy my first Reverend. I posted a WTB ad earlier today. Hope to be joining the conversation soon! Can anyone tell me if there was a version released with the Hot Rod Flames w/Maple fretboard? Add a Bigsby and that would be my ultimate Rev!

I believe all of those were options at the same time. Whether anyone ordered one like that (and whether they are willing to part with it) is another question. Keep your eyes open on eBay etc. Some interesting Reverends show up there on a regular basis.

[john1056]

Wow, love that pickguard - I'm duly chastised (I may need to order a similar one for my own black Rocco!). :)



Well, I just happen to have another picture, and let me tell you it actually looks better in focus! :rotflmao

http://lommock.backhallnades.net/image/revs/slingshot2.jpg

[JZG]

Looking to buy my first Reverend. I posted a WTB ad earlier today. Hope to be joining the conversation soon! Can anyone tell me if there was a version released with the Hot Rod Flames w/Maple fretboard? Add a Bigsby and that would be my ultimate Rev!

There's a pretty slick SSC over on ebay right now that has most of that covered. It doesn't have the flames, but it's got a nice looking faux-maple top.

[Rebel-Guitars]

There's a pretty slick SSC over on ebay right now that has most of that covered. It doesn't have the flames, but it's got a nice looking faux-maple top.

Thanks, I'm watching that one. That's the only Maple one I've seen for sale in a while. :AOK

[martyncrew]

Nice maple board SSC and Wolfie w/Bigsby just popped up on eBay at Hoboken Vintage Guitars. $629 each is a steal!

[Rebel-Guitars]

I just called them and they said the maple board SSC just went out the door to a local buyer, but he didn't act like he was taking the auction down since he gave the buyer a 24hr approval. I suggested he at least remove the BIN. Thanks for the heads up!

[martyncrew]

If they still have the Wolfie, it would be really easy to get the parts from Reverend to convert it to a Slingshot. I really doubt you will find a Reverend to your exact spec, there weren't that many flames/Bigsby guitars made.

[JZG]

I just called them and they said the maple board SSC just went out the door to a local buyer, but he didn't act like he was taking the auction down since he gave the buyer a 24hr approval. I suggested he at least remove the BIN. Thanks for the heads up!

Looks like both of them went with the BIN. There might be disappointed buyer. The dealer must have been reading this thread too, because I saw the BIN's go up $30 each right after I read Martyncrew's post.

[Jon Silberman]

Looks like Reverend still has them in stock.

Not for an Eastpoint Rocco. :(

>> NOS Old Style Rocco Pickguards, $20, for two humbucker pickups. Holes for two mini-toggles (coil taps). New condition. Cream, nitro tortoise shell.

>> USED Old Style Rocco Pickguards, $15, for two humbucker pickups. White, cream, nitro tortoise shell.

[portsider]

Not for an Eastpoint Rocco. :(

>> NOS Old Style Rocco Pickguards, $20, for two humbucker pickups. Holes for two mini-toggles (coil taps). New condition. Cream, nitro tortoise shell.

>> USED Old Style Rocco Pickguards, $15, for two humbucker pickups. White, cream, nitro tortoise shell.
Jon, old style is pre Eastpointe. I have seen a couple of Eastpointes with old style, but mostly they are new style. I just looked, your Rocco is new style.:)

[portsider]

I need professional help. :NUTS Too good a deal to pass up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&item=280016905916&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

[martyncrew]

Now that is a NICE grab for $500!

[Mike Duncan]

Very nice score indeed!

[Jon Silberman]

Shweet!!!

[Jon Silberman]

Jon, old style is pre Eastpointe. I have seen a couple of Eastpointes with old style, but mostly they are new style. I just looked, your Rocco is new style.:)

This is my Rocco, S/N I believe somewhere in the mid 1000's if I'm remembering correctly:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/t-94025727.jpg

ABOUT PICKGUARDS - PLEASE READ!!
1) New Style vs. Old Style - New Style (http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/demo_cos_sec_models/parts_sale/sale_new_shape.JPG) has stairsteps facing down towards floor. Old Style (http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/demo_cos_sec_models/parts_sale/sale_old_shape.JPG) has stairsteps facing up towards the ceiling. They are NOT interchangeable, the mounting screw patterns are different. This refers to guitars only, not basses.

And here's what the Rev website says: I have to admit, I find the website description incomprehensible - can someone post a pic of a Rev with the old style pickguard for comparison? (And hopefully soon because I'm ready to place my order if indeed my guitar is New Style!)

[portsider]

This is my Rocco, S/N I believe somewhere in the mid 1000's if I'm remembering correctly:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/t-94025727.jpg

ABOUT PICKGUARDS - PLEASE READ!!
1) New Style vs. Old Style - New Style (http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/demo_cos_sec_models/parts_sale/sale_new_shape.JPG) has stairsteps facing down towards floor. Old Style (http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/demo_cos_sec_models/parts_sale/sale_old_shape.JPG) has stairsteps facing up towards the ceiling. They are NOT interchangeable, the mounting screw patterns are different. This refers to guitars only, not basses.

And here's what the Rev website says: I have to admit, I find the website description incomprehensible - can someone post a pic of a Rev with the old style pickguard for comparison? (And hopefully soon because I'm ready to place my order if indeed my guitar is New Style!)


http://www.fenderforum.com/userphotos/index.html?recid=33670
Notice the point by the low E string is flush to the neck. On the new style, the point is off from the neck. Hope that makes sense.

[Jon Silberman]

Oh, I get it now - like my Avenger #291 to the right (though I wouldn't call that pickguard "stairsteps").

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/77692307.jpg

[portsider]

You've got it. I actually like the old ones a little better.

[Jon Silberman]

Just ordered my new pearl pickguard and an amp schematic for good measure (gotta help keep Joe and crew afloat 'til they resurrect the USAs :D ).

[Avenger]

I need professional help. :NUTS Too good a deal to pass up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&item=280016905916&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Fantastic!! $500 is an great deal. Welcome to the Avenger club.

[john1056]

Just ordered my new pearl pickguard and an amp schematic for good measure (gotta help keep Joe and crew afloat 'til they resurrect the USAs :D ).
Hey, how do I collect my commission?

FYI - when you get that guard you will have to drill the jack out a little bigger because the hole is for a pot, and you'll be using it for a jack, and you may have to slightly enlarge the screw hole on the round pointed part where the jack is.

[Jon Silberman]

All commissions must be collected in person. ;)

Hey, I ain't drilling nothin' - that's why God invented guitar techs. :D

[portsider]

Fantastic!! $500 is an great deal. Welcome to the Avenger club.
I troll Ebay for BINs like that, but this is the first one Martyn hasn't beaten me to.:BEER

[Jon Silberman]

I just learned yesterday was Mike Duncan's birthday. What's the big idea of saying nothing, Mike? Ah well, your loss. I was saving an NOS Avenger for your present but something else came up and I so I gave it to the other guy. ;)

[martyncrew]

Bob - I have time on my hands - and money in my pocket - because the Giants suck so bad this year! Let's hope McGowan, Baer and Sabean have the b*lls to get rid of Bonds and the rent-a-players and start to rebuild.

[portsider]

Bob - I have time on my hands - and money in my pocket - because the Giants suck so bad this year! Let's hope McGowan, Baer and Sabean have the b*lls to get rid of Bonds and the rent-a-players and start to rebuild. Thank God baseball isn't my first love. Of course if Barry hits four in a week we'll all go nuts again.
For those of you who don't know me that well, I am a native San Franciscian and will not die until I have seen my boys win at least one World Series.:jo

[martyncrew]

in that case, a wasting immortality beckons...

[Avenger]

Thank God baseball isn't my first love. Of course if Barry hits four in a week we'll all go nuts again.
For those of you who don't know me that well, I am a native San Franciscian and will not die until I have seen my boys win at least one World Series.:jo

I'm pretty sure I'll die long before the Cubs win a World Series. But as a lifelong Cubs fan I'm required to say two things:
1. Even though we are 10.5 games out, there is still a chance to win the Wild Card.
2. Next year we are sure to win it all.:BEER

San Francisco will probably win two before the Cubs win the Series.

[Jon Silberman]

My son and I are going to the Nats-Mets game tomorrow evening (Saturday). This will be mildly traumatic for me because I was a die-hard Mets fan as a kid and remained one throughout the years until D.C. got our team last year when I switched my loyalties to the home team of the town I've lived in now for most of my life (i.e., since '79). I have no regrets about doing so but I'll surely feel some pangs.

[portsider]

My son and I are going to the Nats-Mets game tomorrow evening (Saturday). This will be mildly traumatic for me because I was a die-hard Mets fan as a kid and remained one throughout the years until D.C. got our team last year when I switched my loyalties to the home team of the town I've lived in now for most of my life (i.e., since '79). I have no regrets about doing so but I'll surely feel some pangs.
Taking a kid to a game is one of life's special joys. Enjoy!:dude

[Jon Silberman]

I was speaking yesterday with Brad Dietz, the multi-talended musician who sat in on drums with us at the last MD-VA-DC Reverend Congregation jam at my place, and the topic came up of another jam for the early fall. Remind me, who's here from the area besides Mike and Glenn who would be up for this?

Last two groups of suspects:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/5156619/65767376.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/102120832.jpg

[Mike Duncan]

I'm in!! Let's just do it before the middle of October - baby number two is due on the 18th.

[Jon Silberman]

You should be asking for the jam afterwards (it'll get you out of the house and believe me, you'll need it ;) ). :D

[Glenn_K]

does this mean I have to buy a new guitar for the jam?

[Crazyquilt]

I'm in!! Let's just do it before the middle of October - baby number two is due on the 18th.

I might be able to make it out -- but my first kid is due about ten days later. Apparently, certain members of the Congregation were quite busy this past February. :D

Alas, I might be almost too embarrassed to come -- I'm certainly selling one of my Revs, and very possibly a second, leaving me with two (hint: I'm keeping the Slingshot & Warhawk.)

[Robert1950]

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/102120832.jpg

HOw come you are not wearing the slippers??????:)

[Jon Silberman]

LOL! :D

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/8152012/108434097.jpg

[Rebel-Guitars]

I was speaking yesterday with Brad Dietz, the multi-talended musician who sat in on drums with us at the last MD-VA-DC Reverend Congregation jam at my place, and the topic came up of another jam for the early fall. Remind me, who's here from the area besides Mike and Glenn who would be up for this?

Last two groups of suspects:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/5156619/65767376.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/102120832.jpg


I want the blue Reverend with the flames on the left!! Wow!

[Jon Silberman]

Just talk to Mike "Everything's For Sale for the Right Price" Duncan. ;)

[Mike Duncan]

No Reverends for sale - at all!

[Mike Duncan]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL664/3909625/8084735/170534063.jpg

That's Dragonfly Green with sandblasted Hot Rod Flames!

[Avenger]

It looks like I'll have to miss this one. I can send a cardboard cut-out of myself:D I'm sure you guys will have a blast.:BEER

[Glenn_K]

I want Mike's Black one.

[Rebel-Guitars]

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL664/3909625/8084735/170534063.jpg

That's Dragonfly Green with sandblasted Hot Rod Flames!


All 3 look great! Someday...someday

[Mike Duncan]

Terry, we'll photoshop you into all the pictures!

[Jon Silberman]

From the Silberman archives - Avenger with Avenger!: :D

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/5156619/65767890.jpg

[Avenger]

Speaking of Avengers, have you put the tele pickup in your Avenger yet, Jon? I'm curious to hear how it goes.

[Jon Silberman]

You know how it is with Petersen over at Harmonic Design - he makes his PUPs in his one-man shop in batches. When I ordered mine a couple of weeks ago, he replied by email to expect it in 30-40 days. So I'm guessing it'll arrive around early September.

[Rebel-Guitars]

Just in case you haven't checked the 'Bay this morning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-Blackcat-Rare-Early-Model-w-ohsc_W0QQitemZ250018374510QQihZ015QQcategoryZ2384Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[martyncrew]

Bob - the SS conversion on the Blackcat didn't do it for you?

[Crazyquilt]

psst...you might want to check out the Emporium. ;)

[portsider]

Bob - the SS conversion on the Blackcat didn't do it for you?
Not really. I like all the others better. I would keep it anyway,but it is a matter of economics.:(

[martyncrew]

Bob, it's a shame but economics is economics. IMO the string-thru bridge is a big improvement over the top-loaders.

(edited for typing glitch)

[martyncrew]

I received my "Ridgie Rocco" from Labeau last week and have been putting in some serious hours on it. Great neck, well-voiced humbucker, usable coil-tabs and very light (yes, even for a Reverend). It's been well-used and needed a fret-dressing but the aluminum has stood up really well. The EPN neck must have been in the same batch as my SSC and it feels exactly the same. I'd say that the SSC Bugeye remains my favorite but it's hard to argue with the Rocco's versatility.

[Glowing Tubes]

You guys need some new pics and stuff...
In the meantime

Anybody have or tried this trem:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/guitars/stage_king_series/hi_res/les_trem_clubking_hb.jpg

[portsider]

I received my "Ridgie Rocco" from Labeau last week and have been putting in some serious hours on it. Great neck, well-voiced humbucker, usable coil-tabs and very light (yes, even for a Reverend). It's been well-used and needed a fret-dressing but the aluminum has stood up really well. The EPN neck must have been in the same batch as my SSC and it feels exactly the same. I'd say that the SSC Bugeye remains my favorite but it's hard to argue with the Rocco's versatility.
You got that right about the Rocco's versatility! My EPN Rocco, though far from my favorite is pretty much my swiss army guitar. I generally split the neck and leave the bridge full on. I am always sutprised how good it sounds when I pick it up.

[rorschah]

Hey Silberman -

I've been lurking on this thread for a while and am about to buy my first Rev.

What I want to know is - what's the diff between the stock p90's and your Rev with HD Z90's?

(I've had good experience with HD products in the past)

-thi

[Jon Silberman]

Huge difference. Rev's P90s are more or less your normal-type P90s. Z90s are there own thang. Huge tone, monster bottom and top ends, as much mids as a regular P90 to me but sounds almost scooped, relatively speaking, due to the overall frequency response. Yet they still sizzle and retain excellent definition. A truly unique and special PUP design.

And here's my other guitar with Z90s.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/1133497/112904216.jpg

[rorschah]

Hrmmm...

I've got a Z90 in a tele neck right now, and I want a USA Rev. Trying to decide between getting a Rev with their p90's or going for a rocco and putting in more Z90's.

[Jon Silberman]

Where do you live?

[Johnny Z]

Let's not forget the Alltones! I have one in my rebuilt Fender Blues Deluxe and two more in boxes for yet-to-be-determined future shenanigans.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/3467154/42567710.jpg

You want another one! I pulled the one out of my Hellhound and put in a Jensen, I think it sounds better. It's yours for $30 shipped.

[Jon Silberman]

Wow, that's a GREAT price but I'm flat outa storage room. Who else wants it?!

[JZG]

Johnny Z -- sent you a PM. Thanks.

[Glenn_K]

I've got a couple of Alltone's I'm probably going to Ebay at some point, or maybe I should put them in the emporium. The only reason I'm keeping one of them is so I can make my Hellhound stock again if necessary.

[rorschah]

L.a.

[JZG]

Feel free to contact me if you got em'.

[Jon Silberman]

L.a.

Looks like you won't be stopping by to try the SSC personally then.

[Joe Naylor]

I've got a couple of Alltone's I'm probably going to Ebay at some point, or maybe I should put them in the emporium. The only reason I'm keeping one of them is so I can make my Hellhound stock again if necessary.

I'll trade you (or anyone else) for one Alltone 12. Maybe there's some parts or whatnot at our In-Stock page that are of interest?...

[martyncrew]

There are 4 1250s on eBay right now

[rorschah]

Too bad, though thanks for the thought.

Maybe I can ask this way: I've managed to play the new Stage Kings, with the various pups. What does a Slingshot sound like, compared to their p90 Jetstream? What does a Rocco sound like, compared to their humbucked, uh, Charger?

[mezcalhead]

I have my hands over my eyes now.

Will somebody please tell me when CQ's Spy gets sold so I can go back in the Emporium? Thanks.

[Beth]

It's safe--I bought it last night. I am going to go all USA for my Reverends. Once CQ's Flatroc goes, mine will follow. There's just something about those USA Revs.

[Crazyquilt]

We'll see how long the Flatroc takes. I've only had one person express interest so far.

I'm still planning on keeping my Warhawk HB. It's a cool guitar, and fun to play. I think I'm going to set it up for slide for when I feel a Derek Trucks jones coming on. I've not done that before; my guitars always pull "double duty." With the bass contour, it's actually got a pretty good palette of slide tones on tap.

But, the truth is, I'm very satisfied with my Slingshot for the overwhelming majority of my Reverend needs. I'd considered keeping the Spy & getting a Wolfie guard for it, but the experience with the Flatroc kind of made me wary of Rev'trons. OTOH, my SSC made me wary of Reverend's P-90s, but I still adore my SS, so my thought processes may not be as clear as they should be.

Like that's a big surprise.

Honestly, the only Reverend I can see myself picking up in the forseeable future is a Goblin, and even that's much more a want than a need; I'm extremely happy with my amps, and I don't know that a Goblin will add anything I can't get from what I've got. Maybe a Rocco, but... *shrug*

I'm actually a bit maudlin about it -- I feel like I have to hand in my Congregation membership card. But, eh. It is what it is. Other guitars have just been giving me more of what I need of late.

[Beth]

Hey Zak, once you are in the congregation, you are in it. You still have two Reverends and, even if you sold those, this is a place for those who appreciate Reverends. Reverends also have a funny way of worming themselves back into your life even when you have fallen for other brands---just ask Mike :) A confession of my own: I fall in and out of love with my SS and Wolfie. Usually I have either the P-90 thing going or the Revtron thing going---rarely simultaneously.

[martyncrew]

:jo this thread is turning into the Dr Phil show...

[Mike Duncan]

:rolleyes: I need a Kleenex...

Beth, I do the same thing. Somedays I'm a complete Reverend nut, others I'm playing nothing but my SRV Strat.

[Beth]

Martyn--GET REAL! ;)

[martyncrew]

Martyn--GET REAL! ;)

That's why this is the best of the Reverend threads - more spontaneity & more humor :AOK

[mezcalhead]

It's safe

Thanks Beth!

I've wanted a Spy for ages - but the last thing I need to do right now is buy another guitar, particularly a Spy that is the exact same colour (w trem) as my SSC.

[portsider]

It's safe--I bought it last night. I am going to go all USA for my Reverends. Once CQ's Flatroc goes, mine will follow. There's just something about those USA Revs.
You are so right. I am hanging on to my Jetstream 390 because it is a unique prototype signed by Joe. But I really love the unique timbre on the phenolic USA Reverends (especially the Spy). Fortunately there are around 4000 of them for us psychos to swap back and forth.:crazyguy

[Jon Silberman]

I have one woman and nine guitars.

[portsider]

I have one woman and nine guitars.
Sounds more like Jerry Springer. Practice your drawl.

[Johnny Z]

Wow, that's a GREAT price but I'm flat outa storage room. Who else wants it?!

Really! I guess I could ask more for it. I'm not trying to make any money on it just cover some of the cost of the Jensen and pass on a speaker someone may want.

[Jon Silberman]

Johnny, let's do this. PM me your Paypal address today, I'll send you $30 + 3% Paypal fees + shipping (tell me how much) tonight, you ship the speaker directly to Joe Naylor as a gift. Thanks.

[martyncrew]

Jon - very nice gesture

[Jon Silberman]

As I look at it, it's but a partial return of the niceness Joe himself has displayed for us on many occassions (such as when, on his own and unrequested, he shipped a box full of free strap and bumper stick goodies to us as party favors for last year's Rev Jam & Fest). :)

[Crazyquilt]

:jo this thread is turning into the Dr Phil show...

Naw....we don't need no intervention. We need-ah to be HEALED-AH!

http://www.ernestangley.org/mirheal/images/mir.jpg

Praise Joe! :angel:D

[Beth]

Dr. Phil, Jerry Springer, and TV healers--bah! We don't need them; we have:
http://images.andale.com/f2/107/100/797507/click2enlarge/1082065392153_00641659.gif (http://cgi.ebay.com/Roy-Book-Binder-In-Concert-The-Reverend-and-Devil-DVD_W0QQitemZ250019588962QQihZ015QQcategoryZ617QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#)

And Jon, very nice gesture indeed.

[Joe Naylor]

Your too nice Jon!

But c'mon, somebody's gotta get some parts or something out of this deal or I just won't feel right... I got tons of stuff!...

[Jon Silberman]

Nah, we doan need no stinkin' parts. :eek: :D

But seriously, Johnny with the speaker has only 2 posts, he's hidden his email address, and he hasn't yet responded to my PM so I just hope he returns so we can actually get you his speaker after all.

[Glenn_K]

Well I was going to say that I might have a speaker for Joe in exchange for some pickguards or tubes. But we can see how Johnny plays out.

[Glenn_K]

question for you guys and gals. Does anyone have a link to where I can get a Y adapter so I can connect 2 cabinets to my Kingsnake head?

[Johnny Z]

question for you guys and gals. Does anyone have a link to where I can get a Y adapter so I can connect 2 cabinets to my Kingsnake head?

Radio Shack.

BTW I have a buyer for the ALL-TONE 1250, sorry. :jo

[Jon Silberman]

Well I was going to say that I might have a speaker for Joe in exchange for some pickguards or tubes. But we can see how Johnny plays out.

Go for it, Glenn.

[portsider]

It arrived last night and so far I am not excited. :worried There was no trem arm and there is quite a neck bow, I tweaked the rod, and left it to settle. The neck did not feel particularly good, not bad, but I have at least three better. Of course I haven't restrung and intonated it, etc.
I was not excited by the pickups, after P90s and lipsticks, these sound a little sterile to me, even the quack positions.:puh
Anyhow I will play around and find an arm and see how it sets up, I am a little disappointed I did not love it out of the box.
The older style Reverend gig bag (pre mesh front) is pretty nice, though. :AOK
In any event, used Reverends are pretty much assured to hold their value if I decide to ditch it.
It does appear to be stock.

[JZG]

BTW I have a buyer for the ALL-TONE 1250, sorry. :jo[/quote]

Johnny -- go ahead and sell it to Joe. I don't want to be the one to come between him and his speaker. Besides, I'm at the other end of I-696 from him. Maybe he'll let me come over and check it out. http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Jon Silberman]

When I bought my Avenger it, too, came sans trem arm. I bought a used arm from some discarded import for $5 that works fine.

Sorry about the lack of excitement. The neck bow is no big deal, though, just do the necessary adjustment. I strongly advise patience, no more than a quarter twist of the rod a day (well, perhaps a quarter twist every 12 hours - I've gotten away with that) until the bow is gone. Though it happens occasionally, I personally have never owned a guitar with a neck that couldn't ultimately be straightened with no residual problematic twisting and I hope you have the same experience.

The PUPs are what they are. They're not P90s or lipsticks and won't sound like those. I like the stock Rev PUPs on my own Avenger quite a bit (they're not vintagey but a bit fuller-sounding to me), in fact, so much so that I sold my only Strat months after acquiring it.

If the quack positions need spicing up, possible options include installing a TBX or Delta-style tone pot or a blower switch.

[portsider]

I can always count on you Jon. I am not going to be hasty with this one, because it will be really cool if I can get it feeling and sounding good.
I have discovered an interesting aspect of my relationship with guitars. I can't play a guitar with 9s. I trip over my fingers with the light strings, bang the pick into the pickups and miss transitions. 11s are harder to play, but 9s are unplayable.
Why that is relevent is this guitar has 9s and I don't want to change until I get the bow under control. One more thing that will affect my overall affinity for the guitar. If I can get it set up properly and can't get along with the pickups, I have a loaded old style Slingshot pickguard I can put on it.:JAM

[DonW]

Posted is a pic of my Hellhound but my recent pride and joy is the recovering of my shop chair in Western Tooled Vinyl that I purchased from Reverend. That must count, right?:AOK
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/MrSticky/reva.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/MrSticky/ahell.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

:AOKAwesome!

[martyncrew]

Posted is a pic of my Hellhound but my recent pride and joy is the recovering of my shop chair in Western Tooled Vinyl that I purchased from Reverend. That must count, right?:AOK

Cool! Looks like a business opportunity to me! Western Tooled Vinyl furniture, cases, car seats, tortoises, etc., etc...

You know, someone should try a Western Tooled tolex pickguard!

[Jon Silberman]

I want a Western tooled toilet seat next. :p

[Mike Duncan]

That's awesome!

[Mike Duncan]

Portsider - The one Eastpointe Reverend I owned briefly was VERY un-impressive. I found the thinner body to be less attractive (just my opinion), the pots were terrible (I'd say that was fact, no opinion there), and the neck was nice, but wasn't gonna make up for the other issues. I wanted to bond with the guitar the minute I got it and it never happened. I guess compared to my post other Reverends, it just didn't messure up.

All that said, Jon's Eastpointe Avenger is a fantastic guitar that has a wonderful vibe to it.

Good luck with yours. You Eastpointers are different crowd ;)

[martyncrew]

:Devil I knew that Duncan was a dangerous heretic!!! Only true believers appreciate the special qualities of the Eastpointe Reverends.

(although I do agree about those crappy pots and switches)

[Mike Duncan]

Very Dangerous!:Devil :rotflmao :rotflmao :rotflmao

[joshmickelson]

This is the the only picture I have of me with my slingshot! I need to get more shots! dayum.

http://www.strikethurman.com/images/BandPromos/live4.jpg

[Crazyquilt]

My Eastpointe Spy was pretty good, and I don't recall ever having any problems with the pots. But it was a hardtail, and so out it went as soon as I could get a Bigsby. That being said, I never really totally bonded with the guitar, although I very much wanted to. What's worse is that, despite that, I got the second Spy, and had the same problem.

Do I ever learn? :p

I have the same problem with 9s. Makes going to a music store to try out guitars occasionally very frustrating. I also loathe strings with skank on them I can feel, which is worse.

[portsider]

My Eastpointe Spy was pretty good, and I don't recall ever having any problems with the pots. But it was a hardtail, and so out it went as soon as I could get a Bigsby. That being said, I never really totally bonded with the guitar, although I very much wanted to. What's worse is that, despite that, I got the second Spy, and had the same problem.

Do I ever learn? :p

I have the same problem with 9s. Makes going to a music store to try out guitars occasionally very frustrating. I also loathe strings with skank on them I can feel, which is worse.
That's funny, Zak. My Eastpointe Spy is not my best player but there times I would swear it produces the best sound ever, and that is with me playing. It has limitations, but it is staying for the times it is magic. It is a later thick body Eastpointe if that matters.

[martyncrew]

My Bugeye SSC and Ridgie Rocco EPNs are definitely my best sounding Revs. Those thick necks and metal finishes just do something to the tone that's really special.

[martyncrew]

BTW, no-one bit on my Goblin Deluxe so I'm trying to figure out how to tame it. Joe has given me some hints. One interesting thing he said about the EH 12AX7s is that they have an unusually pronounced upper-mid peak and he suggested I try JJs. Has anyone else tried JJs in the pre-amp?

[Jon Silberman]

I think the EHs also have more gain than the JJs (of the new 12AX7s I've tried to date, the EHs have been the gainiest).

[Glenn_K]

I love 9s. They're the best. I need to be able to bend the things! But skanky strings are bad. Feels bad, sounds bad... get me outta here.

Joe, I sent you email on the Alltone, although I got a message that it's delayed. Hopefully it will get there.

--Glenn

[Jon Silberman]

I love 9s. They're the best. I need to be able to bend the things!

--Glenn

Glenn, I think you need to get out to the gym more often. :p

[Johnny Z]

BTW, no-one bit on my Goblin Deluxe so I'm trying to figure out how to tame it. Joe has given me some hints. One interesting thing he said about the EH 12AX7s is that they have an unusually pronounced upper-mid peak and he suggested I try JJs. Has anyone else tried JJs in the pre-amp?

What are you trying to do to it?

Preamp tubes can do some major changes like replacing a 12AX7 with a 12AT7 or a 12AU7 or 12AY7 which works good in the driver section as well as the first stage, you'll notice a big difference, also using 6L6's instead of 6V6's can make a difference, that's the old Deluxe Reverb trick used by some musicians back in the '60s to get a little natural distortion, but I don't recommend it. Diving into the amp takes more knowledge and effort. Lots of tricks there too but I don't do many of them my self, I think an amp is best kept pretty much stock, isn't that why you bought it in the first place, because you liked the way it sounded? I know I did, and only do necessary repairs as needed.

Good luck what ever you do.

[Mike Duncan]

I can't play with anything less than 11 to 50s.

[portsider]

I can't play with anything less than 11 to 50s.
Aye! You're a manly man.:AOK

[Crazyquilt]

Portsider -- that happened with my Spy, too. I'd get frustrated, and then there'd be this magic moment when it was just glorious...but it wasn't consistent, and I could never figure out what I or it or the the amp was doing differently.

My Slingshot is my #1 Rev. I was hoping to get an aluminum finish SS, but it didn't work out that way.

Mike, I used to play all 11s. Unfortunately, I've had problems with wrist pain off & on for the past five to seven years, and I finally gave in & switched to 10s. I still have a few guitars with 11s on them, usually flatwounds, I think my ES-125 is strung with 12s, but I can't recall. I don't play it much.

[mezcalhead]

FWIW my Revs have 10s and most of my Jazzmasters have 11s, with flatwound 12s on one.

Hamertoe, that chair is excellent.

Josh, I like that shot, moody lighting. Is that a SF Fender head I see running through that Marshall cab in the background?

[Jon Silberman]

I use 10s. I've played others' axes with 11s (including Mike Duncan's) and they sound and feel fine but I'm already on an exercise regimen for tennis elbow, using my left hand for my mouse, and just don't feel the benefits if any from 11s outweigh the extra tension on my fingers and joints (Mike: report back when you're 49 as to whether you're still using 11s ;) ).

[Glenn_K]

I haven't heard any sound difference on the varying weights and feel nimble is better, so 9s get me there faster. I tried 10s for a little while but had to go back. When I was a teen, there was a time period when i was using 008s!

Has anyone tried the Barber Burn Unit EQ or Small Fry with Reverend guitars or Amps? I'm thinking of ordering one of these today.

[Jon Silberman]

I can always count on you Jon. I am not going to be hasty with this one, because it will be really cool if I can get it feeling and sounding good.
I have discovered an interesting aspect of my relationship with guitars. I can't play a guitar with 9s. I trip over my fingers with the light strings, bang the pick into the pickups and miss transitions. 11s are harder to play, but 9s are unplayable.
Why that is relevent is this guitar has 9s and I don't want to change until I get the bow under control. One more thing that will affect my overall affinity for the guitar. If I can get it set up properly and can't get along with the pickups, I have a loaded old style Slingshot pickguard I can put on it.:JAM

Keep us apprised of developments, portie. With a bit more love and attention, this one really could be a keeper.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/portsider/MoreBandPixAvengerandPBass016.jpg

[Avenger]

Keep us apprised of developments, portie. With a bit more love and attention, this one really could be a keeper.

I agree. That could be one great guitar if you get it set up to suit your needs. As the self-appointed chearleader for the often under-appreciated Avenger, I hope it works out for you as well as mine has worked for me.

I should say, however, that even though my Avenger is my number one guitar for playing blues, which is mostly what I play, it does occasionally sit while I play my Rickenbacker or my Hotshot. When I get in the mood to play blues, though, I can play my Avenger for hours.

BTW I use DR 10's on my Reverends, which are more like 10 1/2s compared to other strings. I like to use 11's on short scale guitars. I prefer these guages because they feel good. I don't notice a huge sound difference with lighter guages. I like the increased bendability of lighter guages, but my picking becomes way too sloppy (even more than usual) with lighter strings.

[portsider]

After working the trussrod (still needs more), lowering the pickups, removing two of the five Trem springs and restringing (d'Addarrio 10s) I am starting to like this guitar. It really kicked bootie when I ran it through My recently acquired DTI. It sounded pretty nice clean through my Gobby, as well.
Trem is flat mounted and does nice little wiggles at the end of phrases.
This is a hell of a $500 guitar.:cool:
I just put $100 down on a brand new Highway One Tele, Sunburst/Maple, that my guy at GC let me have for $550. It is the '06 upgraded model and is almost as light as a Reverend. I may be done buying guitars for a while... yeah, sure.:rotflmao

[Jon Silberman]

With a Tele and a Rev, you really can play anything. ;)

[ol' bugeyes]

BTW, no-one bit on my Goblin Deluxe so I'm trying to figure out how to tame it. Joe has given me some hints. One interesting thing he said about the EH 12AX7s is that they have an unusually pronounced upper-mid peak and he suggested I try JJs. Has anyone else tried JJs in the pre-amp?

martyn:

the JJ's in my alessandro are really butch sounding. from your "crunchy" descripotion of the gobby dlx, i think you would get more of the same from the JJs.

i'd try an NOS JAN Phillips 12AT7. hands down, the best sounding preamp tube i've ever used. very hi-fi sounding, detailed, and warm. (just a little intolerant of being pushed by pedals...)

[Johnny Z]

Has anyone done this? I have the skill and knowledge, the parts are available and I think this is the main thing they left off the amp other than a Standby Switch and I may get to that mod too. The only reason I want to do the Bias control is I think I can run my tubes a bit cooler and save hours of life and ad some reliability to the amp.

[Jon Silberman]

Does anyone have a pic of a black Rev with a gold pickguard?

[kingsleyd]

With a Tele and a Rev, you really can play anything. ;)

Then I guess I'm all set. Or... will be, when (a) a certain Rocco arrives at my doorstep next week, and (b) a certain boutique pickup maker sees fit to fix the neck pickup for my green Tele* and return it to me.

And then there's my Johnny A...

[Jon Silberman]

Does anyone have a pic of a black Rev with a gold pickguard?

I love quoting myself. :o

The reason I'm asking this is having received my NOS white pearl Rocco pickguard several days back, I've become less enamoured with the color + it's probably 1/2 as thick as the stock silver/grey pickguard. The latter is very in the Gretsch style of a thick piece of plastic or plexiglass with a coating on the top whereas the MOP one is your classic Fenderish double ply-type 'guard.

I still am GASsing for a change on the Rocco, though, so now I'm thinking maybe I'll order a gold 'guard, too (which hopefully will be the Gretsch-style type). It would be helpful, though, to see an example of a black Rev with one.

[portsider]

I love quoting myself. :o

The reason I'm asking this is having received my NOS white pearl Rocco pickguard several days back, I've become less enamoured with the color + it's probably 1/2 as thick as the stock silver/grey pickguard. The latter is very in the Gretsch style of a thick piece of plastic or plexiglass with a coating on the top whereas the MOP one is your classic Fenderish double ply-type 'guard.

I still am GASsing for a change on the Rocco, though, so now I'm thinking maybe I'll order a gold 'guard, too (which hopefully will be the Gretsch-style type). It would be helpful, though, to see an example of a black Rev with one. I am pretty sure the gold will be the same as the silver in makeup. They were the EPN era guards. I haven't seen a black & Gold, but I'd bet it would look great. I say spend the $20. You can always get it back on Ebay after Reverend sells out. :AOK
I have a gold SSC guard that seems to be the same as my silver Rocco guard, thin top layer over very thick black lower layer.:YinYang

[Paul Conway]

So, while we're on the pickguard front.....gold or silver for a burgundy workhorse slingshot? I don't suppose anyone would have any pics of a similar set up?

[Mike Duncan]

Either would be great. I'd go for the gold, I think.

[twangster]

Jon & Paul (George & Ringo too),:dude

Here we go, courtesy of Photoshop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/quangster/MyGuitars/Tricolor.jpg

Cheers!

[portsider]

I took it to practice tonight and it was sounding pretty good. I particularly like the neck/middle position. It is a lot more treble than my SSC and I need to adjust to that a little, I think I need to lower the pickups more too, this thing is high output. The trem is down on the body and I may have to back off the claw screws a little.
It was very comfortable to play. I am considering the #1 position to be a shootout between this one and my SSC.:AOK
The bridge/middle position doesn't seem to be humbucking, is that because the bridge pickup is a humbucker already?

[john1056]

... The trem is down on the body and I may have to back off the claw screws a little.


I was wondering about this, how do the screws that hold the bridge on a strat style trem affect the way the bridge sits with regard to it being at the proper "flatness" relative to the guitar? Mines a bit too far away from the guitar, and I thought my only option was adding another spring.

[john1056]

So, while we're on the pickguard front.....gold or silver for a burgundy workhorse slingshot? I don't suppose anyone would have any pics of a similar set up?
Gold!!!

http://lommock.backhallnades.net/image/revs/spy2.jpg

[Paul Conway]

Many thanks to one and all, as ever. Red and silver - what was I thinking? Now, if only I could get metallic p90 covers to complete the look...


PS I love that Spy.

[Paul Conway]

Actually, while I don't spend a great deal of time over there, found this on the Reverend forum:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7&PN=1&TPN=1

john1056's entry, halfway down...

[john1056]

Actually, while I don't spend a great deal of time over there, found this on the Reverend forum:
http://www.reverendguitars.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7&PN=1&TPN=1

john1056's entry, halfway down...

Yeah well um... thats the spy before the "operation". It was tough living with a lipstick guitar trapped in a p90 guitar body let me tell you...

[Beth]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7349/wolfmanss806vo3.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolfmanss806vo3.jpg)http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8870/spy806wx8.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spy806wx8.jpg)http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9196/commandogt806go5.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=commandogt806go5.jpg)

Boy those metallic finishes are hard to photograph!

[Crazyquilt]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7349/wolfmanss806vo3.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolfmanss806vo3.jpg)http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8870/spy806wx8.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spy806wx8.jpg)http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9196/commandogt806go5.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=commandogt806go5.jpg)

Boy those metallic finishes are hard to photograph!

Aren't they though! :D

Glad to see the Spy is settling in nicely. You even used the conveniently matching strap...I'm touched. :cool:

[martyncrew]

Zak - I see the Koll Tornado is #1 on your playing list. Is that new? What happened to the Jr Glide?

[Crazyquilt]

I sold the Jr Glide quite a while back. Loved the bridge pickup (an Electroflux, sort of a P-90 meets Tele & has fruitful relations sort of thing) and hated the neck pickup, which was a very muddy humbucker. I mostly got it because I was planning, at some point, to order a guitar from Saul Koll, and wanted to see if the quality & feel was what I was led to believe it was. It was.

The Tornado is new, to me, anyway.

http://mishami.image.pbase.com/g3/44/36244/2/58031424.IMG_8584.jpg

Korina body & neck, HD VP-90s, Gibson scale length...it sounds kind of like a JM on steroids. The VP-90s are very clear & 'hi-fi' P-90s...probably a bit more P-90ish than the Z-90s like Jon has in his Rocco.

The only thing I don't like about it is aesthetic -- as my wife pointed out, it has 4 different colors of plastic, and the pickguard doesn't match the burst. So, I'm going to replace the pickguard with a black guard, and I took the white trem arm tip off, and might replace it with a cream tip, and I'll do the same to the pickup selector switch, to match the pickups.

[martyncrew]

Nice looking body even with the 4 plastics. Speaking of aesthetics, do you like the headstock?

[Johnny Z]

I sold the Jr Glide quite a while back. Loved the bridge pickup (an Electroflux, sort of a P-90 meets Tele & has fruitful relations sort of thing) and hated the neck pickup, which was a very muddy humbucker. I mostly got it because I was planning, at some point, to order a guitar from Saul Koll, and wanted to see if the quality & feel was what I was led to believe it was. It was.

The Tornado is new, to me, anyway.

http://mishami.image.pbase.com/g3/44/36244/2/58031424.IMG_8584.jpg

Korina body & neck, HD VP-90s, Gibson scale length...it sounds kind of like a JM on steroids. The VP-90s are very clear & 'hi-fi' P-90s...probably a bit more P-90ish than the Z-90s like Jon has in his Rocco.

The only thing I don't like about it is aesthetic -- as my wife pointed out, it has 4 different colors of plastic, and the pickguard doesn't match the burst. So, I'm going to replace the pickguard with a black guard, and I took the white trem arm tip off, and might replace it with a cream tip, and I'll do the same to the pickup selector switch, to match the pickups.

Man I like it!
Where can I find one? Price?

[portsider]

I was wondering about this, how do the screws that hold the bridge on a strat style trem affect the way the bridge sits with regard to it being at the proper "flatness" relative to the guitar? Mines a bit too far away from the guitar, and I thought my only option was adding another spring.

Tightening the screws will get the trem to move closer ro the body. With 10s I hace always been able to get the trem to lie on the body with three springs. You may have to tighten the screws quite a bit.
Also if the springs are old and stretched out, you may want to try replacing them with three brand new springs, they will pull the bridge down a little more.

[billyguitar]

Needs a cream guard, for my eye.

[Crazyquilt]

Nice looking body even with the 4 plastics. Speaking of aesthetics, do you like the headstock?
I do, actually. I was a little less sure of the Glide Jr's headstock, although I warmed up to it (it had the larger, older-style Koll headstock.)

Man I like it!
Where can I find one? Price?
Thanks. Saul Koll is a luthier out of Portland, OR -- you can see his stuff at his website (http://www.kollguitars.com/pages/koll_glides.php), or on several threads in the Small Luthiers section of TGP. While he has a few standard types of guitar, they're all custom builds. This one was made, orignally, for TGP member zeppo, although there's been at least one other owner. I got this one used for about $1800; I've seen used models both more & less expensive than that. I actually have had a custom Duo Glide on order for about five months; I should get it in another 4-5 months. Originally, it would have looked very, very familiar to folks here -- 25.5" scale length, semi-hollow body, a pair of P-90s, and a Bigsby. After I got the Tornado, I changed that to a Z-90 in the neck, an Electroflux in the bridge, and a wraparound bridge -- sort of like a super-fat thinline Tele.

[johneeeveee]

I sold the Jr Glide quite a while back. Loved the bridge pickup (an Electroflux, sort of a P-90 meets Tele & has fruitful relations sort of thing) and hated the neck pickup, which was a very muddy humbucker. I mostly got it because I was planning, at some point, to order a guitar from Saul Koll, and wanted to see if the quality & feel was what I was led to believe it was. It was.

The Tornado is new, to me, anyway.

http://mishami.image.pbase.com/g3/44/36244/2/58031424.IMG_8584.jpg

Korina body & neck, HD VP-90s, Gibson scale length...it sounds kind of like a JM on steroids. The VP-90s are very clear & 'hi-fi' P-90s...probably a bit more P-90ish than the Z-90s like Jon has in his Rocco.

The only thing I don't like about it is aesthetic -- as my wife pointed out, it has 4 different colors of plastic, and the pickguard doesn't match the burst. So, I'm going to replace the pickguard with a black guard, and I took the white trem arm tip off, and might replace it with a cream tip, and I'll do the same to the pickup selector switch, to match the pickups.

Hey, is that the Koll from Lee? Looks like it.

I babysat that guitar for a couple weeks while he was in the Tropics. Congrats on grabbing a really nice guitar. That thing plays like a dream.

Have fun with it - jv

[Glenn_K]

there are some seriously cool looking guitars on that Koll site. Good god.

[Crazyquilt]

Hey, is that the Koll from Lee? Looks like it.

I babysat that guitar for a couple weeks while he was in the Tropics. Congrats on grabbing a really nice guitar. That thing plays like a dream.

Have fun with it - jv

Yup. That's the one. It does indeed play like a dream. :RoCkIn Probably the nicest guitar I've ever owned.

[Paul Conway]

Yeah well um... thats the spy before the "operation". It was tough living with a lipstick guitar trapped in a p90 guitar body let me tell you...

Well, I called Steve and now the gold is on it's way. So your Slingshot will have a transatlantic twin soon...

[john1056]

Tightening the screws will get the trem to move closer ro the body. With 10s I hace always been able to get the trem to lie on the body with three springs. You may have to tighten the screws quite a bit.
Also if the springs are old and stretched out, you may want to try replacing them with three brand new springs, they will pull the bridge down a little more.

Thanks, I'll try that :) My Strat is a "Plus" model so it has some thingy in the back taking the place of a spring that is suppose to adjust how "hard" the tail is. I can't figure that thing out either. I actually put 9's on my strat because with 10s the bridge was sticking way up!

[Johnny Z]

I do, actually. I was a little less sure of the Glide Jr's headstock, although I warmed up to it (it had the larger, older-style Koll headstock.)


Thanks. Saul Koll is a luthier out of Portland, OR -- you can see his stuff at his website (http://www.kollguitars.com/pages/koll_glides.php), or on several threads in the Small Luthiers section of TGP. While he has a few standard types of guitar, they're all custom builds. This one was made, orignally, for TGP member zeppo, although there's been at least one other owner. I got this one used for about $1800; I've seen used models both more & less expensive than that. I actually have had a custom Duo Glide on order for about five months; I should get it in another 4-5 months. Originally, it would have looked very, very familiar to folks here -- 25.5" scale length, semi-hollow body, a pair of P-90s, and a Bigsby. After I got the Tornado, I changed that to a Z-90 in the neck, an Electroflux in the bridge, and a wraparound bridge -- sort of like a super-fat thinline Tele.

Thanks! I go to Portland all the time. I'll check him out, next month when I'm up there for a Labor Day gig.

:RoCkIn

[Beth]

there are some seriously cool looking guitars on that Koll site. Good god.

There certainly are and thankfully they are seriously out of my budget.

On the Reverend home front, I have already soured on my Commando GT conversion. Like the look, just not the sound. Should have known better---sold the Avenger and the Rocco I had because they just weren't for me. So, I will probably return to the SSC format.

[martyncrew]

On the Reverend home front, I have already soured on my Commando GT conversion. Like the look, just not the sound. Should have known better---sold the Avenger and the Rocco I had because they just weren't for me. So, I will probably return to the SSC format.

No sympathy from me :rolleyes: - you know the SSC is THE Reverend sound!

[portsider]

There certainly are and thankfully they are seriously out of my budget.

On the Reverend home front, I have already soured on my Commando GT conversion. Like the look, just not the sound. Should have known better---sold the Avenger and the Rocco I had because they just weren't for me. So, I will probably return to the SSC format.
Before you change it, I suggest lowering the pickups. It made a heck of a difference to mine! It ended up sounding pretty soulful.

[Glenn_K]

There certainly are and thankfully they are seriously out of my budget.


out of mine too.

Hey I may finally do some photos of mine soon. I'm getting some pickguards for some fun changes here and there, then maybe I'll take some shots. Joe's swapping for an Alltone and I'm buying a couple of extra ones.

[Jon Silberman]

Jon & Paul (George & Ringo too),:dude

Here we go, courtesy of Photoshop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v283/quangster/MyGuitars/Tricolor.jpg

Cheers!

twangster, sorry for the delay in responding, I was on vacation and on the road without internet access. Thank you so much for taking the time to craft and post these pics. I love the black and gold combo and am now really looking forward to receiving and mounting my new gold pickguard! :)

[twangster]

No prob, Jon.

Looking forward to seeing how a REAL gold 'guard looks on your black Rev.

[Beth]

Guess my buyer didn't dig RevTrons--I sold the Flatroc via eBay last week and he got it Friday. Now it's already up for sale. I had just sent an email to him too; advising him to experiment with the pup height and pole pieces. It did take me a while to find the sound I was looking for with the RevTrons. Oh well--to each his own.

[Crazyquilt]

Wow -- mine seemed very happy, although I last heard from him the night after the sale. I know when I got my Flatroc, the guy I bought it from hadn't had it for long, either. One can start to see why Joe might have changed the design.

[john1056]

Wow -- mine seemed very happy, although I last heard from him the night after the sale. I know when I got my Flatroc, the guy I bought it from hadn't had it for long, either. One can start to see why Joe might have changed the design.

I would say the current materials produce a more even sound than the prototypes. The Alder made them brighter and "airier" than the current models. I like the looks of the prototype Flatroc a lot, but I found out at the Philly show that I hate Bigsby's.

[martyncrew]

I hate Bigsby's.

Me too, wanted to love them but just can't. As I've said before, the only bridge that seems "right" to me on a Reverend is the Strat hardtail style.

[john1056]

I just hated the way it felt, too stiff for me. I felt like I was working way to hard to get any sort of vibrato at all.

[Joe Naylor]

I just hated the way it felt, too stiff for me. I felt like I was working way to hard to get any sort of vibrato at all.

You need to try the Les Trem. Similar pitch range as the Bigsby, but it's not stiff at all. Probably 1/2 to 1/3 the pressure required to work it, and it's smooth like butta'.

[Crazyquilt]

I love Bigsby's. What you don't like about them is exactly what I like about them -- with a Strat-type trem, it's so effortless that I don't feel as connected to the guitar. I like being able to really wrestle with it. A Jazzmaster trem's about as loose as I go.

[Jon Silberman]

What I want to know is who's gonna get post #2000? ;)

[Mike Duncan]

I love the feel of the Reverend Bigsby. Nice response and stays in tune just right.

We need another Reverend Jam soon!

[Jon Silberman]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Big upcoming Rev jam at Mike Duncan's place, stay tuned for details. ;)

:o

[john1056]

You need to try the Les Trem. Similar pitch range as the Bigsby, but it's not stiff at all. Probably 1/2 to 1/3 the pressure required to work it, and it's smooth like butta'.

I love the Les Trem, tried it at the Philly show :)

[martyncrew]

I love the Les Trem, tried it at the Philly show :)

Yeah, that's a fugly (functional but ugly) piece of steel.

[Jon Silberman]

I've always thought fugly meant f-ing ugly.

[Joe Naylor]

Yeah, that's a fugly (functional but ugly) piece of steel.

I think it's a mechanical beauty!.. like a custom motorcycle part... Bigsby vibe but cleaner. To each his own I guess.

[john1056]

Yeah, that's a fugly (functional but ugly) piece of steel.

I didn't like its looks either, but then I saw one up close and I didn't mind it. It was like butter, so smooth, it felt and played great.

[martyncrew]

Bah! Engineers...

[Mike Duncan]

ANNOUNCEMENT: Big upcoming Rev jam at Mike Duncan's place, stay tuned for details. ;)

:o


:eek: :eek: :eek:

My little basement in my little townhouse would be hammered!!! Though, it would be really fun to do to the neighbors!:dude

[Jon Silberman]

Look at the bright side - if anyone threatens to call the cops, we can tell them he's already here. :)

[Jon Silberman]

Must ...

[Jon Silberman]

cop (double entendre) ...

[Jon Silberman]

#2000! :o :dude: :D

[J Purcell]

I don't own a Reverend but I want to be #2000.

[martyncrew]

J Purcell - the gods have spoken! Buy a Reverend or you will never make a numerically significant again.

[J Purcell]

Far be it from me to anger the guitar gods. 1,999 posts can't be wrong.:)
I'm going to have to trade for one though. Jim Soloway took all my money today.:RoCkIn