Reverend Gallery

[Jon Silberman]

NOTE: THIS THREAD IS AN INDEPENDENT EFFORT NOT ASSOCIATED PROFESSIONALLY WITH REVEREND GUITARS THOUGH YOU WILL FIND MANY REVEREND OWNERS AND FANS HERE. DON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY THE THREAD LENGTH, NEW REV FANS AND REPEAT QUESTIONS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME! :)

http://www.reverendguitars.com/reverend/images/homepage/homepage.jpg

Having just done a word search for Reverend to help answer a friend's question on another forum, I was struck by how many hits the search function identified. It looks like there's quite a few folks here indeed who are current Reverend owners or Reverend-curious. In response, let's see if there's enough interest to sustain a Reverend Gallery thread.

I'll start us off here in The Small Company Luthiers section - what more fitting place is there to discuss, as the Reverend website puts it, "the small American company that gives a damn!"? - but should the spirit be upon you, by all means, show and tell here about Rev amps and pedals, too.

The Gear Page is also a good place to post your "for sale or trade" or "wanted to buy" ads for Reverend gear. I can guarantee at least one person will be looking out for your ads. :o

Reverend's website is here:

http://www.reverendguitars.com/

Rev's website is wonderful, it's chock full of helpful info. and fine photos of Rev gear and users. The FAQ is particularly informative (folks with older Rev gear, be sure to check out the Tech Bulletins, too).

To emphasize the "gallery" feel, definitely post a pic or two of your Rev gear here if you have 'em! My current Rev harem [edit: as of 08-05 when this thread began, of course] includes these guitars, amp, ext. cab, and pedals:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/77692307.jpg

[I since sold the blue SS and added this cool limited edition NAMM SSC]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/107114740.jpg

Jump in, the water's fine! :D

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/2949318/102120832.jpg

[Mike Duncan]

Fellow Reverend owner - four of them at the momment - checking in! As soon as I can figure out a photo hosting site, I'll the group shot of my flock up here.

I couldn't agree more with you Jon. This is the perfect spot to discuss, answer/ask questions, and show off some pictures of the extremely cool Reverend gear!

Mike

[Mike Duncan]

Oh yeah, that's me in the photo holding the green and orange Reverends.

Mike

[Pedro58]

Jon-- how do you like the new wiring? The bass cut, or whatever it's called? Would it work in other guitars, you think? Also, how do the new Filtertron looking pups sound? I've been interested in the Reverends for a long time, but I've never played one plugged in!

[Jon Silberman]

Pedro, I'll give your questions my best shot!

Originally posted by Pedro58
Jon-- how do you like the new wiring? The bass cut, or whatever it's called? Would it work in other guitars, you think?

Most of the folks I know who have the newer Revs with the bass contour control tell me they really like it. I thought it was OK on the couple of guitars I tried but the tradeoff is that while it definitely rolls off the bass as advertised, rolling off the bass also reduces the overall volume fairly significantly.

On my '86 PRS Custom, which lacks a tone control (it has the sweet switch instead), recently, I upped the value of the treble bleed cap on the volume control from 180 to 1000 pf. This causes the signal to stay alot brighter as you roll off the volume. The end result, interestingly, seems similar to that produced by a bass contour control.

On the new Reverends, the bass contour control is an addition above and beyond the normal tone control (my PRS Custom doesn't have a tone control - it's got the sweet switch) so it would seem it's a no-lose proposition, with some people gaining more, others less, depending on how useful the function is to you.

Bottom line: if access to an alternative volume control where the tone stays nice and bright/not mushy when you turn it down sounds appealing, you'll probably dig the bass contour.

Originally posted by Pedro58
Also, how do the new Filtertron looking pups sound? I've been interested in the Reverends for a long time, but I've never played one plugged in!

I haven't A-B'd one with a regular FilterTron-equipped axe but I've jammed several times with folks who have Wolfmans and I thought they sounded great. They're hotter than stock FilterTrons, though, so just don't expect vintage Gretsch tones.

Mike Duncan has a Wolfman, maybe he'll chime in.

[Pedro58]

Yeah, I realize that you don't have the models I'm asking about, but maybe others will chime in. It seems that a p90-style pickup is the perfect match for these guitars. Did you change to any after-market p90's or are the stock ones good. It's my opinion that it's hard to screw up a p90!

[hemlock]

Here's my Slingshot Custom. Unfortuantely, it's for sale right now. sniff!

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2804/rev9nn.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rev9nn.jpg)

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Pedro58
Yeah, I realize that you don't have the models I'm asking about, but maybe others will chime in. It seems that a p90-style pickup is the perfect match for these guitars. Did you change to any after-market p90's or are the stock ones good. It's my opinion that it's hard to screw up a p90!

My experience is that most popular models Rev are the Slingshot (SS) and Slingshot Custom (SSC) specifically because the P90s sound so darn good. I currently own both, will likely sell the SS soon.

I really like the stock Reverend P90s. Not sure who makes 'em - Joe Naylor ("Mr. Reverend") likes to keep that a secret. Also am not sure what % of this is due to the scale length, mostly hollow bodies, and construction details versus the PUPs themselves but for sure they are less middy & clearer sounding than P90-equipped Gibsons, and seemingly not as hot as PRS P90s.

Anyway, I think they sound great and have been told the same thing by everyone who's tried my SS and SSC (though, as Keb Mo' puts it, "My mama told me she loves me but she could be jivin', too ..." :) ).

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by hemlock
Here's my Slingshot Custom. Unfortuantely, it's for sale right now. sniff!

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2804/rev9nn.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rev9nn.jpg)

I think you should keep that one!!!

P.S. Where is it listed (I don't see it in the Emporium)?

[Mike Duncan]

Hey Pedro - I've got a Slingshot Custom (three P-90s), a Wolfman (Revtrons - Reverend Filtertron), Rocco (two HBs), and a Spy (three Lipsticks). Each guitar is a different animal.

The Wolfman has a fantastic growl. It can rock and it can do surf. The Bass Contour Control can roll from full on humbuckers down to an Tele sound. I really don't find the Contour control to be most useful feature, but it does offer some otherwise unavailable tones. I play music ranging from CCR to Weezer to The Ventures; the Wolfman seems to cover all the bases. In short, I think they're great sounding pickups.

As far as the P-90s, Reverend does them right. I haven't heard any reason to change them...they really sound sweet! I think with the body design, anything would sound great in the guitar - but Joe's choice for pickups really do sound great.

Mike

[hemlock]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
I think you should keep that one!!!

P.S. Where is it listed (I don't see it in the Emporium)?

It's listed in the amps emporium with my Top Hat SD that I just sold. I'll move it over to the guitar emporium tonight.

I think I should keep it, too. However, the significant other has different ideas. Something about not being able to afford LASIK for her or some such stuff. Pfffft. Women!

[Jon Silberman]

That is ridiculous. Once you sell the SSC, what will she have left to look at anyways? ;)

:D

[Jon Silberman]

FYI, this Naylor amp thread's ongoing now in the Amps section:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95277

Man, I'd love to have one of those Super Club 38s but hey, I can't complain. :)

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/41513112.jpg

[hemlock]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
That is ridiculous. Once you sell the SSC, what will she have left to look at anyways? ;)

:D

Would you be willing to talk to her? She might listen to a tall good-lookin' guy like you.

[Jon Silberman]

Just tell her the truth: SSCs sound and play great, producing a happy and satisfied husband.

It worked on my wife! :cool:

[hemlock]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Just tell her the truth: SSCs sound and play great, producing a happy and satisfied husband.

It worked on my wife! :cool:

The truth!!! Why didn't I think of that?!?! I'll have to try that more often.

[Greggy]

Just wanted to chime in as a former Hellhound owner. Joe Naylor is top notch in the customer service dept. I've called him on a couple of occasions. His compamy slogan is spot on. Great service and product.

[Orren]

Unless I'm blind, I don't see any options for lefty models on the Reverend site.

Needless to say, that sucks.

Orren

[Pedro58]

Jon, Jon, Jon... I don't know how to say this, but BB King said that thing about his mother first! As far as I know...

:D

[Glenn_K]

Hey Jon, Great to see this new reverend topic here. Let's go cazy. Still pondering What speaker to use for my extension cabinet, connected to my Goblin. The Black Shadow Celestion you mentioned--plenty of low end? Now, I thought you said you had an Eminence in your 1x12 cab?

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Pedro58
Jon, Jon, Jon... I don't know how to say this, but BB King said that thing about his mother first! As far as I know...

:D

Pedro, Pedro, Pedro ... as John Kay (Steppenwolf) put it:

"Just before we go, I'd like to mention Junior Wells
We stole his thing from him, and he from someone else
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he plays the blues like few before
May he play forevermore"

In other words ... it's the blues, for cryin' out loud - it began with Adam and Eve!

:D

On an unrelated topic, when I referred a person who posted a Reverend-related gear question on a different forum to a thread in our Amps section, he replied by asking, "Do you find reviews on the GP more reliable than on H-C?" :eek:

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
Hey Jon, Great to see this new reverend topic here. Let's go cazy. Still pondering What speaker to use for my extension cabinet, connected to my Goblin. The Black Shadow Celestion you mentioned--plenty of low end? Now, I thought you said you had an Eminence in your 1x12 cab?

Hi, Glenn! In my Reverend 1X12, I now have an Eminence Red Fang but I wasn't shooting for extra deep bass with it but rather chime (nice upper mids and treble but no icepick).

The MESA 90W Black Shadow is in my Traynor YGM-3 20W (2XEL84) combo amp as pictured below. In that amp, I was shooting for a combination of full/balanced and loud (powerful & efficient). The Black Shadow works like a charm there for that.

But you know, your post has me thinking. I have a 16 ohm Weber C12 California (the C standing for "ceramic magnet") that I used for a while in my Tone King Continental that has an absolutely sick bass response, sick being as in JBL-like.

Two questions for ya. One, does the Goblin have a 16 ohm speaker output jack like the Hellhound and Kingsnake? And two, were you planning, when running the Goblin through your 1X12, to also use, or not also use, the stock 1X10?

If your answers are yes and not use, respectively, when you get your 1X12 you might want to try my Weber. As far as I'm concerned, you can borrow it to try and if you like it, make me an offer, if not, just return it.

Anyway, here's the Traynor:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/4310808/76930235.jpg

P.S. Well waddaya know, I just happen to have a pic here of Glenn with one of his Revs. :)

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/5156619/65767692.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Glenn, this is the speaker I was referring to (note the massive magnet).

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/3612494/93751529.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/3612494/93751511.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Orren
Unless I'm blind, I don't see any options for lefty models on the Reverend site.

You know, you're right ;) about the lack of lefties, I never thought about it before nor have I heard anyone else ID it. If you believe you seriously might want a Reverend guitar, call and ask, there's nothing to lose by asking (Rev's phone number is on their website).

[Glenn_K]

Jon,

yes, the Goblin does have 16 out and no, I wouldn't run the 10 at the same time, or at least I PROBABLY wouldn't. But I don't think I would want your entire combo amp.

Anyway, the Red Fang--I know you told me you had this before and it was before I had researched this stuff. Now I am interested in that speaker too. You see, I am not really looking for super-deep bass necessarily--really I just want a lot more than the Jenson/Alltone Reverend model gives. And the idea that the Red Fangs come close to Alnico Blues is attractive as well. But I have heard "don't expect a lot of low end from the Red Fang" which starts pushing me toward some of the other British Eminance speakers, so maybe they're not for me. The ToneQuest review of Private Jack basically says if you don't like that speaker it's YOU and not the speaker! LOL!

Question: does an Eminence speaker drop right into the Hellhound cabinet? Anyone know??

[Jon Silberman]

Do you mean literally into a Hellhound amp or rather into the Rev 1X12 ext. cab?

When I asked Joe about putting a Jensen Neo into the former in which the speaker is front-loaded, he replied that the baffle hole would need to be enlarged by around a 1/4" of diameter to fit it in.

The Rev 1X12 cab is rear-loaded so you can pretty much put any 1X12 in that one.

P.S. Rev 1X12's turn up on eBay every now and then. Search eBay for the words Reverend and Hellhound, completed listings and at least 2 will up now.

[Glenn_K]

I meant the Hellhound amp, since I have one--I've been using it as a cabinet, which has it's benefits because it serves as a backup amp in case the Goblin goes down. But it probably makes more sense to just get an avatar cabinet--much lighter and I can use the Hellhound for practice amp and sell my Peavey Classic 30--or vice versa and sell the Hellhound.

By the way, there was a 1X12 Reverend cab that just went on ebay for $280 which I think is way too high considering I would want to swap the speaker out.

Oh, one more thing--I took the metal tube guard off my HellHound and gained a little bass out of the amp (using it as a cabinet) not not a huge amount, but it's noticeable. Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else wanted to give it a try.

[Jon Silberman]

Glenn, you know, now that I think about it, if you get a chance to run your Goblin through a MESA 1X12 cab with the stock Black Shadow, I'll bet it's close to if not exactly what you're seeking.

The reason I say this is for a few months, a couple of years ago, I had a THD Univalve which didn't overwhelm me either on the bass/headroom side of things. It sounded awesome, however, through my friend Vic's MESA 1X12, so much so that I ended up buying an unloaded Jenkins 1X12 and filling with it a Black Shadow.

When I sold the Univalve, the buyer (Carl Werkmeister, a BAM regular) also bought the Jenkins cab with the Black Shadow. I always missed that speaker though, so when I was looking for another one for my Traynor, I contacted Carl and the necessary arrangements were made to return that speaker to daddy. ;)

This is the cabinet I'd advise for you. Don't be fooled by its diminutive size - it kills.

1x12 Boogie Open Back Cabinet

Additional Features & Options:
1x12, 90 Watts, Celestion Custom 90 Speaker, 8 Ohms

15 1/2" x 19" x 11" 38lbs.

[Avenger]

Another Reverend fan checking in... I have an Eastpointe Avenger (three strat style pickups) and a limited edition Hotshot Jr. (single Rio Grande P-90). You can see my guitars in Jon's group shot (I'm next to Mike with the black and white guitars). I also have a Hellhound and a Drivetrain II.

Originally posted by Pedro58
Yeah, I realize that you don't have the models I'm asking about, but maybe others will chime in. It seems that a p90-style pickup is the perfect match for these guitars. Did you change to any after-market p90's or are the stock ones good. It's my opinion that it's hard to screw up a p90!

I can tell you my impression of the stock p-90 vs. the Rio Grande. The Rio Grande is a bit hotter and a little darker. I've heard some complain it is too dark, but I disagree. I think you still get a good amount of high end sparkle when you roll the volume back a little. With the volume rolled back the Rio Grande sounds similar to the stock P-90. The benefit of the Rio is that extra crunch with a little bit of compression when it is cranked. It gives a very full classic rock sound.

Terry:RoCkIn

[Glenn_K]

Thanks Jon, the Mesa cabinet looks good. And in the meantime, I'm spending my time reading the Eminence thread!

On another subject--how did Mike's Spy hold up in your Jam?

[Glenn_K]

Terry, that's an understatement... that Rio Grande totally kicks ass! Am I allowed to say that? Well it does!!

[Glenn_K]

Reverend just discontinued their amps. :-(

[Jon Silberman]

That's what I heard, supposedly this is the email they've sent out on the subject, but I just checked my email and haven't yet received it. :confused:

"LAST CHANCE TO BUY A REVEREND AMP!
Reverend is leaving the amp business to focus solely on guitars.

Remaining inventory consists of approximately 75 Kingsnake combos, 75 Goblin combos, 40 Kingsnake heads, and 37 two-twelve Neo cabinets. We will not build any more after these are sold."

Well, if nothing else, I guess it's a good thing now the Reverend Gallery is situated in the "Instruments" portion of the board! :eek:

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
Thanks Jon, the Mesa cabinet looks good.

Glenn, I just got off the phone with Vic Tynes. He has one and says he'd be happy to let you run your Goblin through it to test out the tones before you order your own (hopefully, Vic will post here soon himself on this).

Originally posted by Glenn_K
On another subject--how did Mike's Spy hold up in your Jam?

Well, you know I dig Mike Duncan's playing no matter what he's using and I thought the Spy sounded fine, too!

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Avenger
Terry:RoCkIn

Hey Terry - glad to see ya! :dude

[Mike Duncan]

I'm really kinda shocked to hear about the amp news. I shouldn't be surprised, I guess. That's too bad, I really thought the amps that some of you all have sound just great.

[Mike Duncan]

Hey there Terry! I really dug the tones I was getting from the Spy. Very nicely done guitar. The pickups sound nice and full, like a Strat on steroids.

Mike

[Avenger]

Thanks for the words of welcome. I'm happy to be here Jon, Mike and Glenn.

Originally posted by Glenn_K
Reverend just discontinued their amps. :-(

That is a shock. I guess my Hellhound will really be a collectors item now. You might want to hold on to that Hellhound, Glenn.
:)

The Reverend company always seems like it is changing. All the recent moves, howerver, such as the removal of the lower priced Workhorse guitars, the reduction in options and increased prices of the U.S. made guitars, and now the elimination of the amps, all seem to be moving toward gearing Reverend up for the new Korean guitars.

Terry

[Brion]

I just received that email notification too. Too bad, they were a great bang for the buck amp.

[Jon Silberman]

PREDICTION:

As soon as the Kingsnakes are gone, Reverend will begin direct sales of Bob Weil's (Visual Sound) new "Workhorse" amplifier series.* I.e., in this case, I'm predicting, past is indeed prologue:

* http://www.visualsound.net/amps.htm

>> MusicGearSource - Why were the Drivetrain OD pedals discontinued? They had quite a following. Are you still working with Bob Weil?

>> Joe Naylor - It became no longer feasible from a business standpoint. Our minimum production quantities were very high, and they weren't selling fast enough, so it became money sitting on the shelf for too long. I'd rather invest that money into another part of the business. In the last couple years, everybody and their brother got into the pedal business. Drivetrain sales dropped radically... there's just so many overdrives on the market now, and a lot of good ones.

>> I'm not doing any projects with Bob now, but we do sell all his Visual Sound pedals, which I'm real happy with. Maybe we'll do the Drivetrain again if the timing looks right, and if I can get it done in much smaller quantities.

SOURCE: http://www.musicgearsource.com/joe.html

R.I.P., Kingsnakes and Goblin - alas, we hardly knew ye ... (

http://www.musicgearsource.com/images/rev_amp_group_web.jpg

[Glenn_K]

Jon,

That's a good prediction. I saw an ad for those amps the other day and was wondering if they would be any good.

[Avenger]

You may be on to something, Jon. Interesting "hub caps" on the front. I'll only get one if they have a riding spinner model:D

[Glenn_K]

For those that didn't see it, the Reverend 2x12 cabinet looked really cool in person. If it weren't for the fact that I'm looking for something with more lower end, I would consider it.

And Jon, that's nice of your friend to offer his cabinet for a listen.

[Avenger]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
For those that didn't see it, the Reverend 2x12 cabinet looked really cool in person. If it weren't for the fact that I'm looking for something with more lower end, I would consider it.

And Jon, that's nice of your friend to offer his cabinet for a listen.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Wouldn't the 2x12 Reverend cabinet, even with the neo speakers, give you more bass than a single 1x12 with the Boogie speaker that Jon was mentioning? As far as weight is concerned the 2x12 is a pound lighter than the boogie cabinet if Jon's numbers are correct for the weight of the Boogie cabinet. It might be hard to get that 2x12 into your car, though...

Terry

P.S. I have to seriously think about getting a Goblin. I've kindof had my eye on a 5 watt 6v6 Swart amplifier, though. hmmmm, what a dilemma.

[Jon Silberman]

By the way, for the record (such as it is) - here's Avenger (Terry) with his Avenger!

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/5156619/65767890.jpg

[Wedgie]

Well I am expecting my new Slingshot Custom to ship this week to go along with my existing Rocco. I can't wait to get my hands on it and the Reverend team has been great to deal with. I have been eyeing a Goblin for months and now I am unsure whether to take the plunge.

However, I have to say I agree with the previous posts regarding the continuing reduction of products and options from Reverend. I'm not really convinced we will ever see the introduction of the new import line of guitars. Reverend was late to the market with the new line of amps and we have been waiting forever for the new guitar line.

Just say it ain't so Joe?

Wedgie

[Glenn_K]

Terrry, no. I'm considering a Celestian or Eminance Red Coat series speaker because they have much more low end than the Jensen speakers. I think this will make more of a difference than 2x12 vs 1X12. Besides, right now I'm just playing in very small jam situations.

[Jon Silberman]

Welcome to The Gear Page, Wedgie. This is a very cool place to hang, lots of knowledgable and friendly people, and even a few Reverend fanatics. ;) If you can, post a pic of your Rocco here and your new SSC when it arrives (it you don't have access to web-based pic posting, if you email the pic to me, I'll be happy to post it for you).

On the Korean line and new products generally, I would sum up my perception of Joe Naylor's modus operendi as follows: "I could be more prompt, but not more sincere." So I'm taking Joe at his word on wanting to focus his attention on his guitars and anticipate seeing the new guitar line make its debut right about when the Kingsnakes and Goblins are all gone.

[Jon Silberman]

Posted last night by Joe Naylor elsewhere:

Aug 8th, 2005 09:13 PM

"I wonder why they tell you the build time if they aren't going to build anymore?"

This means we have enough parts in stock to build the number of amps stated in the newsletter. We build everything to order.

"Buy one, leave it in the box, and throw it in your attic. It'll be worth a lot of money some day."

FWIW, I've seen Naylor amps selling for more than the original list price.

"Are they going to service the amps they already made?....or do we have to find some backyard amp fellas to do the deal?"

We'll honor the one year warranty. We'll offer schematics for sale some time after all the amps are sold out. Our amps are very easy to service, and replacement parts are of the common variety.

"I hope Joe Naylor chimes in and gives us some skinny."

It's pretty simple. Being small, we don't have the financial or personel resources to do both the amps and the new import guitar line. We feel Reverend has more to offer in the guitar world, and all guitars will further focus our image.

Importing guitars is a more efficient operation, requiring smaller minimum runs, and the R&D process is much faster. This will allow us to quickly develop a diverse line, and bring unique models to market in a short timeframe. In other words, we'll be faster on our feet, and hopefully keep things fresh and exciting.

Thanks for the kind words of support!

Joe

[Mike Duncan]

Wedgie - Welcome aboard.

Jon - Thank you very much for the kind words about my playing!:p

Okay, now I've gotten an account with Picturetrail and posted some Reverend shots on there, BUT still can't get the pictures to post!

[Jon Silberman]

Mike, try emailing your question to one of the moderators, aleclee at:

alec@aleclee.com

He's way savvier on these things than most of us!

[Brion]

Originally posted by Mike Duncan
Wedgie - Welcome aboard.

Jon - Thank you very much for the kind words about my playing!:p

Okay, now I've gotten an account with Picturetrail and posted some Reverend shots on there, BUT still can't get the pictures to post!

Mike,
On your picturetrail page you need to select the tab for image URL's. Make sure the box to allow posting on auctions etc. is checked. Go to the picture URL, highlight it, right click and select copy. Now come back to the gear page and post it by replying to this thread. Click on the IMG button and paste your URL into the box that pops up click OK. Repeat for each picture you'd like to post. It's tricky the first time, but once you've figured it out it's a peice of cake.

[Mike Duncan]

Brion, Thanks for the info, I'll see if I can figure it out.

[Avenger]

Just thinking out loud...

I wonder if this add on trem system would work with an Avenger? I think you would have to cut a notch in the pickguard, but I think there is solid wood under where the trem system would be added (unlike if you were to try and add a Bigsby). I could also add tele bridge pickup and a studio wiring switch to get bridge and neck.

http://www.stetsbar.com/Tele.Pic.htm

I'm sure it would be easier and cheaper to just get a new Reverend with a trem, but I like my Avenger, and it might be fun to have it customized.


Terry

[Jon Silberman]

Terry, I don't know if this picture of the innards of my Slingshot would be helpful to you in figuring this out but in case:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/36037619.jpg

[Avenger]

Thanks for the pic, Jon. You know what? That pic just about extinguishes that modification idea. The front end of the trem, the part that resembles the tele bridge, would be floating in space. If you cut a notch in the pickguard, you would expose the pickup cavity around the edge of the bridge.

I guess I'll just have to see if I can find a Rev. with a trem on eBay. I'm just not too sure I want to drop $1000 on a new one at this point.

Terry

[Jon Silberman]

FWIW, I've been reading of concerns being expressed by people who were Kingsnake curious but are now wary of buying an amp from a company that's discontinuing them.

I understand those concerns. It just doesn't bode well for long-term support from the builder for service and repairs.

What concerns me most in this regard is that Reverend has never provided with their amps schematics or otherwise made them available to persons to repair themselves or bring to their techs.

Every Fender amp I've ever bought new, by contrast, came in the box with the schematic for the amp to enable quick and easy repairs.

Joe Naylor wrote elsewhere:

>> We'll honor the one year warranty. We'll offer schematics for sale some time after all the amps are sold out.

Two concerns in response.

First off, to me, this at least implies, wouldn't y'all agree, that Reverend intends to be out of the amp repair business completely within a year?

Second, excuse me: schematics "for sale?" To people who already bought and own your amps which you now discontinue and no longer intend to support?!

If I'm getting this wrong, someone please enlighten me. (Perhaps I'm inadequately sensitive to trade secret issues or similar concerns though I must say, when my tech, Pete Cage, modded my Hellhound, he said it all looked pretty regular under the hood).

[Glenn_K]

Jon, good catch on the "for sale" on the schematic. I didn't notice that first time around. You know, it could be that Joe has an agreement with Dennis Kraeger (sp?) that he can't release schematics, who knows?

Avenger, I don't know if you want another black Reverend, but what about the NOS Avenger with Bigsby? Good deal!

[Avenger]

Good suggestion, Glenn. I've thought about that Avenger with Bigsby (I think there was a blue one too). I'll probably wait too long while thinking though. I usually take a very long time to make any gear purchase. It drives my wife crazy :D

[Jon Silberman]

What's the complaint? At least the funds stay "in the family" longer. :D

[Jon Silberman]

Heads up on some further Kingsnake discussion in the Amps section:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95563

[jordanL]

Heres my current Reverends:

A real early spy-EPN Neck top loader bridge, A little too light straight into an amp, but real sweet with a little
OD or compression
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Jordanml/SpyGuitar.jpg

Heres My EPN Slingshot in action:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Jordanml/SSNGW2004.jpg


At one point I had a Creme/gold Maple necked Hitman(HB neck tele bridge), but its been traded off.

[Mike Duncan]

Jordan - Very nice looking guitars! I have to say that I didn't even realize that Reverend was doing top loaders...very cool!

Mike

[vic tynes]

A guy could really get religion from all these Reverends! What a congregation! Jon, you keep this up and I may join yet!

[jordanL]

Originally posted by Mike Duncan
Jordan - Very nice looking guitars! I have to say that I didn't even realize that Reverend was doing top loaders...very cool!

Mike

Top loaders were very early in Reverend-theguitars serial is below #500. The earliest Reverends don't have the arm guard.

[Jon Silberman]

Nice axes, Jordan!

My #291 Avenger is through-body.

P.S. to Vic: Sooner or later, Rev is gonna get ya! :cool:

[jordanL]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Nice axes, Jordan!

My #291 Avenger is through-body.

P.S. to Vic: Sooner or later, Rev is gonna get ya! :cool:

Do you know if it was made that way, or converted later? I remember talking to Joe a few years back about converting to a through body, but I never got around to doing it-I hate shipping guitars.

Any idea if Reverend serial #'s are consecutive (more or less) or per model?

[Glenn_K]

Pretty sure they are consecutive. Also, that the non-string through body was stock for a short time.

[Jon Silberman]

Jordan, you can have any tech convert the guitar. The work is not complicated. There will be the same excess holes if any left over to fill or hide either way.

It's not hard to cover 'em, even in a way to actually make the axe look cooler. For example, see the extra mother-of-pearl-covered inserts in my Jackie-Jet below? That's how Phil Jacoby hid the excess holes in it after installing the Bigsby.

It's real common to see such inserts on older Gibbies with added Bigsby's and, again, I think, attractive.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/1648976/36466666.jpg

[jordanL]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Jordan, you can have any tech convert the guitar. The work is not complicated. There will be the same excess holes if any left over to fill or hide either way.

It's not hard to cover 'em, even in a way to actually make the axe look cooler. For example, see the extra mother-of-pearl-covered inserts in my Jackie-Jet below? That's how Phil Jacoby hid the excess holes in it after installing the Bigsby.

It's real common to see such inserts on older Gibbies with added Bigsby's and, again, I think, attractive.



I've just never been that motivated to have the work done. If I want heavy sustain, that's not the guitar I'd go to. If I had the work done the only holes likely to be left wound be covered by the new bridge.

[Jon Silberman]

Sorry, Jordan, you'll have to work on your motivation issues yourself.

I just help with the gear suggestions. :p

[VCuomo]

Another Slingshot owner checking in! No pics of it, but it's one of the early ones - white w/gold pickguard.

Also have the original model Drivetrain.

[Jon Silberman]

Welcome, VCuomo.

You're not related to Mario, are you? ;)

I have both Drivetrains. Funny thing happened to me yesterday with the DTII. Finally got around to preparing to ship the unit back to Reverend for the upgrade described in the Tech Sheet below only to find (I'd never checked!) it's already been done. :o

http://www.reverenddirect.com/reverend/manuals_tech/tech_bulletin_5.html

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/77692307.jpg

[Avenger]

Alright, let me try to post a pic.... Here goes....:D

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture516Small.jpg


That was easy! Here is my modest collection of Reverends:
Hotshot Jr. with single Rio Grande P-90, Hellhound amp, Drivetrain II, and Avenger with 3 strat pups.

[Jon Silberman]

Sweet gear and it looks like a cool jam room, too! :dude:

[Avenger]

Actually, this is the jam room. Complete with one of my sons' drum set.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture.jpg

:JAM

Terry

[Jon Silberman]

Indeed, a jam room is an important acoutrement to the modern musical lifestyle. :cool:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/5156619/108322567.jpg

[Mike Duncan]

Makes me wish that I wasn't out of town Jon! I love heading the two miles from my house to the Silberman HOUSE OF TONE! I'll be in town next weekend - Terry? LOL!

BTW, I'm down at my parents house in Virginia Beach and my dad and I have been jammin' with his PRS McCarty and my Wolfman. My dad puts the Wolfman down, looks at me, and says, "this is the best electric guitar I've EVER played!" Not bad coming from a guy that bought a Jazz Bass in '64 at Chuck's and a LPB Strat in '65, also at Chuck's; and now the owner of several Fenders and a PRS. Man's got taste.

Mike

[Glenn_K]

Mike, your Dad must have some good stories about Chucks! I remember buying stuff there when I was a teenager in the late 70's, but that place must have really been different in the 60's.

[Jon Silberman]

While it's before my time, my understanding is that in the late '60's, Chuck's was downtown in the District. After the riots it moved up to Wheaton where it remains to this day.

On a different subject, hey you guys, am I nuts for considering this? As you know, I was going to sell my Slingshot upon receipt of the "new" Slingshot Custom. Upon playing the SS further, though, I just can't do it, it's too sweet.

I did, however, promise Jackie I'd sell it AND I have too many guitars already at this point to play 'em all regularly.

So ... I am seriously considering now selling my Fender USA Buddy Guy Signature Strat instead. This is a guitar Vic Tynes sold me used at a ridiculously low "friends" price with the understanding that if I ever were to sell it, I'd offer it back to him at the same low price I paid for it (which I'm absolutey happy to do).

It comes down to this: the Buddy Guy Strat is easily today worth double what I paid for it and it plays beautifully with a very unique soft-V neck and refretted jumbo frets. However, it doesn't get that "classic" Strat sound due to, in particular, the Lace Sensor PUPs.

Since I followed Tech Bulletin #1 for my Avenger a couple of weeks back and removed the excess resistor from the tone pot, I'm realizing that axe actually does cop very sweet classic Strat-like tones, tones that in fact I like better than the Buddy Guy Strat. And plays beautifully, too, with its comfy early Eastpoint neck (though developing a crack that will need to be watched and pontentially repaired in the future :( ).

Under these conditions, am I nuts to be contemplating selling my only real Strat to keep my 4th Reverend?!

[Glenn_K]

My Avenger does do some Strat tones but I consider it different enough. I think my bridge pickup is different than yours though since it's an Avenger TL. If it were a straight-up Strat, I would say you're nuts. But with the Lace pickups, I'm not sure what to say. I think the bottom line is how much you like the guitar.

[Jon Silberman]

Does yours have a rosewood or maple board? Mine is maple and, of course, has the standard strat-type 3 PUP arrangement (not the T bridge PUP).

Until I removed the extra resistor I didn't consider the guitar to sound authentically Stratty but now I really do.

Decisions, decisions ... :confused:

[Glenn_K]

Mine is rosewood. But I also have 2 American vintage strats, one rosewood (62 re-issue), one maple (59 re-issue) and the Avenger sounds different from both. Of course, I have the coil tap and the switch that turns all the pickups on too. The bridge pickup "TL" on the Avenger--is EXTREMELY hot.

[Jon Silberman]

+since mine is S/N 291, it's possible, I guess that we don't even have the same middle and neck PUPs. :confused:

[Crazyquilt]

Yet another congregant checking in.

I've got a Spy and a SSC. I absolutely love the Spy, but I'm more ambivalent about the SSC. If I don't like it though my Kingsnake -- which should be here in 3 weeks -- it may wind up looking for a new home. Which would really bum me out, but I'll live.

In any event, here's the current lineup of Revs:

http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/images/remote/congregation-sm.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Crazyquilt, it is really cool to see you here!

Suggestion on the SSC - drop TGP's Alex Dann an email if you decide you want to sell it as he's let me know he may be in the market now for a used Rev.

P.S. That is one sweet-lookin' Spy! :dude

[Glenn_K]

Great photo of the Spy! I'll give you $25 for it!

[Avenger]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
+since mine is S/N 291, it's possible, I guess that we don't even have the same middle and neck PUPs. :confused:

That is one of the mysteries of Reverend. The origin of many of the parts, including the pickups, is a big unknown.Who knows if the early ones are the same as the later ones? Only Joe Naylor knows and he's not talking...

I sympathize with your dilema, Jon. I'd have a hard time giving up the strat, but I am a big Buddy Guy fan. Of course, I'd have a hard time giving up any of my guitars. I've become pretty attached to all of them. Either guitar may be one that you regret selling. Any other candidates for sale. Maybe you don't really need a car, for instance :D

Mike, I don't think I'll be making any trips east with these damn gas prices.:(

Crazyquilt, nice guitars. That Spy is just awesome.

[Avenger]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
Great photo of the Spy! I'll give you $25 for it!

That's a lot of money for a photo;)

[Crazyquilt]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
Great photo of the Spy! I'll give you $25 for it!

Sure, Glenn. I'll even give you a full res copy of the photo for an extra $5. :D

I don't really think I'll sell it, Jon. The whole thing's kind of embarrassing ... and I may have just figured out what's going on. See, sometimes I'll play the SSC & it sounds great, other times, it sounds like someone threw a wet blanket over it.

Well, I started rearranging my basement studio (which needs a LOT of work, as it's a big concrete cell right now) and part of that was moving where my stool rests in relation to my amps. I knew that my Carr Mercury was very directional, but I think what's been going on is when I stand near my amp, I get lots of bass, and lose significant highs & upper mids. But when I sit about 5-6' in front of the amp -- bam! It's much more balanced, and sounds great.

I just spent an hour practicing with the SSC, starting with some Wes Montgomery, and wrapping up with the Ventures, and the SSC sounded just grand for all of it -- as long as I was sitting at least 5' directly in front of the amp.

The Spy still kills -- I really dig the sort of turquoise green & silver -- I put a red-brown leather strap with Kokopelli & a bunch of pseudo-Southwestern rock art on it, and it's just tight. I can't help but play "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."

[Mike Duncan]

Hey! I'm out of town without my Spy - I hope it's still there when I get back!!
:D

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Mike Duncan
Hey! I'm out of town without my Spy - I hope it's still there when I get back!! :D

What's your address again?

:p

[Glenn_K]

I'm over there now. Jon, you beat me to it!!

[Wedgie]

As Jon requested earlier, here are my Revs. I just got the smoke chrome Slingshot Custom today. It has the new bass contour and I'm still messing around with it tonight, but it does provide some interesting sounds. Quite frankly, the guitar is way better than my skills, but I'm having a blast! Looks great next to my morrocan gold Rocco.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid181/p4d7273f87637b9d5b2c7f77f70ae8c2e/f2cc929d.jpg

Crazyquilt, I am very interested in how you like your Carr Mercury with your Revs.

[Crazyquilt]

Originally posted by Wedgie
Crazyquilt, I am very interested in how you like your Carr Mercury with your Revs.

I really like it. The cleans are hi-fi sounding, but not so much that they sound sterile, just very harmonically rich without being muddy. The first time I plugged (old, non-trem) Spy in, right after I got the amp, I thought I'd died & gone to heaven. I've found the Spy to be fairly finicky about what amps it likes, but the Merc is clearly a great fit. The amp is excellent for P90s.

The first OD position is a great, dirty tone, but still cleans up nicely when you roll back the guitar's volume. The second OD setting is just killer. The SSC just eats up the OD and roars. The Spy prefers the first OD and clean.

The reverb is super deep, but not mushy -- which is good for the SSC, because I've found that P90s with verb can be not so good. But the Merc doesn't wash the SSC out, although I don't drown it. The Spy just dives in and surfs the verb.

My other amp is a very well maintained, fairly modded, SFPR. The Merc is much tighter sounding, the controls more responsive. The Spy likes both amps, the SSC prefers the Merc.

Revs are such incredibly lively guitars (even my non-guitarist friends have commented when I'm noodling around on one unplugged how nice they sound unamplified) that I think that the Merc does them justice. OTOH, my Tele just doesn't cut it on the Merc -- it lives for the SFPR.

My Merc came with the KT66, and I did a lot of tube swapping (it's a class A amp with easy to access bias ports & a pot -- why not!?) I now have a Winged C 6L6GC in there, biased fairly hot, which I like best. The newer Mercs have EL34s; I found that to be a warmer sound, with a less pleasing clean, which was, for me, a dealbreaker. (I bought some of the new Mullard/EH EL34s. That's not what Carr uses, so my observations may not be wholly accurate in that regard.)

I hope this little treatise helps. I'm looking forwards to A/Bing it with the Kingsnake I decided to get before they were gone.

[Hand of Doom]

my Slingshot #01412

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a353/sangre1azul/m4464219-5283.jpg

[P.Muck]

Here's my Slingshot Custom and Goblin with my "new" old Jekyll and Hyde.


http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8051/img02550dv.th.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02550dv.jpg)

[Jon Silberman]

Wow, those are two beautiful Revs!

What's that exact color, sangre?

P.Muck, you know I'm a huge fan of "tuxedo" Revs. :D

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/94025727.jpg

[Hand of Doom]

What's that exact color, sangre?


"57 Turquoise"

[Mike Duncan]

I'm so diggin' that '57 Turquoise! What an awesome color!!

Mike

[Jon Silberman]

It sure is!

Speaking of body colors ... Mike, when you're back, give me a call, please, re: this weekend (swappin' and jammin'). :)

[Jon Silberman]

ajarvez posted this over on the FDP, I thought it was sufficiently valuable info. to re-post here, too.

>> For any of you Kingsnake owners out there wanting to get a bit more outa yer combo's reverb, I can happily report that I took the plunge & tried swapping a long-pan unit for the stock one. Antique Electronics Supply sells a long-pan, 6-spring unit (part # R9AB3C1B) for about $25.00 that's to almost exactly the same specs as the stock unit. One significant, but easily corrected, difference is in the jacks: the long unit has an insulated input, while the Kingsnake requires grounded inputs & outputs. Solder a small jumper from the jack to the pan, and it's an exact replacement. The long pan will just barely fit in the cabinet -- don't get any ideas about using a bag on the tank -- but there's enough clearance for it to sit comfortably. The sonic difference is immense -- full, rich, and lush, guaranteed to raise a smile. Still not the soggy "ploink" of an old Fender, but better than most any other amp you'll find. Well worth the very minimal expense & labor.

[Jon Silberman]

Check THIS out, this is AWESOMELY COOL!

Mike Duncan's Rocco and my slingshot did a little "cross-fretilization" [spelling intentional :D ] tonight. :o

Here what my Slingshot looked like at 7PM (pic itself is a bit older but I mean color-wise):

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/3240939/39736276.jpg

And Mike's Rocco looked like this:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/109243761.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

NOW my Slingshot looks like this: :eek:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/109243775.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/109243789.jpg

And Mike's Rocco looks like this: :dude

[ pics to be supplied by Mike later at his convenience! ]

[SFK]

Nice guitars guys!

I love my Eastpoint Slingshot!

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL361/492960/8715937/118942032.jpg

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL361/492960/5284800/68304749.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Beautiful axe!

Pardon the question - do you sound like Leslie on it, too? ;)

[SFK]

Thanks!

When I want to. :)



P.S. I'm better lookin' than he is. ;)

[Jon Silberman]

In the most manly of ways, please let me confirm that you are. :)

However, I also must admit, upon seeing your long wavy hair, etc. there with a pair of P90s, well, I did think of Mr. West. :D

[SFK]

Definitely no offence taken. My other favorite Axe is a LP Jr so......

[Mike Duncan]

Jon - Very nice looking guitar - :rolleyes: - I'll take some shots of mine tomorrow. I think the color combination looks fantastic.

SFK - welcome, love the EPN Slingshot!

Mike

ps - I really think the red/silver pickguard combo just looks like a VERY HOT guitar!

[Jon Silberman]

We both came out smelling good this time, Mike! Thanks again for working this out with me. I played the guitar for over an hour after fixing the grounding issue. It plays and sounds as good as it looks (due to the difference in neck sets that we noticed, the PUPs are lower now than they were and, as impossible as it seems, sound even better than before).

And extra special thanks - for probably the 100th+ time in my case - to Jim Collins. When Mike and I finished reassembling our respective guitars, both were not properly grounded. One call to Jim (can you believe that guy, he's like an old fashioned doctor, he takes cross-country guitar Rx calls at home even on Saturday evenings) and without even seeing what we'd done, he diagnosed the problem correctly, leading to a quick fix.

Jim, you are and will ever be THE MAN. :dude

P.S. to Mike: And then, to ice the cake, I won the eBay auction for Avi's "new" camera. :BEER

[Glenn_K]

Wow, you guys are swapping it up! so I guess Mike has a blue Rocco now. Looks good Jon.

[Jon Silberman]

I can't wait for Mike to post a shot or two of his guitar, too. The blue and gold are beautiful together (the guitar is certain to appeal to Mets and Navy fans :p )!

[Mike Duncan]

Jon - it's really bad, I keep looking at the guitar thinking how cool it looks. The action is just about perfect...tough decisions must be made.


I'm glad you won the auction for Avi's camera!

[Jon Silberman]

In a case like this, Mike, I can but quote Aragorn, son of Arathorn, Elessar, the Elfstone, Dunadan, the heir of Isildur, Elendil's son of Gondor:

"What does your heart tell you?" :angel

P.S. Looks aside, I must say, when you were playing your Rocco through my Tone King, you sounded great.

My grandfather always used to tell me, "In life, there are two types of problems. May yours be the ones money alone can solve."

Your dilemma is a thorny one but, thankfully, not overwhelming.

P.S. I speak from experience, you understand. ;)

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/109294368.jpg

[Avenger]

Mike and Jon, the red and silver Slingshot sure looks good. I'm sure the blue and gold Rocco looks cool as well. Other than asthetics, why did you guys decide to switch bodies? Did you both keep the your original necks?

[Jon Silberman]

Hey, Terry, what's happening, Bro'?! :)

It was purely aesthetics. Mike was planning to sell his anyway (note I said, "was" :D ) and I preferred the red to my blue so with a modest "adjustment" (that I had to push Mike to take for his trouble - he's far too nice a guy!) we did the swap.

Other than the string ferrules on the back of the bodies, Mike and I removed and swapped everything from our respective guitars: necks; bridges; strap buttons; and armrests; and of course, pickguard assemblies. It was truly just a body swap.

Interestingly, the bodies were not the same thickness. The blue one is thicker, the red one thinner. As a result, when we were done, I had to significantly raise the action at the saddles on mine.

Mike, however, amazingly just left his the way it was. I think that's why he's so overwhelmed now by the ease of play and low action. He must have had it way up high on the red one to be able to keep it that way for the blue one and not have the strings buzz out afterwards.

We did each have a grounding snafu afterwards. Basically, we both pulled the grounding wires through the body a bit too far so that, as opposed to only the stripped wire portions coming through, some of the plastic-covered portions did, too. The resulted in poor overall contact between the grounding wires and the bridge for both of us. Fortunately, as discussed previously, Jim Collins diagnosed the issue immediately. It took me just an extra 10 minutes to loosten the strings, remove the bridge, strip a little bit extra off of the wire for good measure, reposition it, and reassemble the guitar.

It's so quiet now the first time I plugged it in I thought maybe it wasn't working at all until I hit a string!

P.S. Shared with you, though the miracle of PictureTrail, at Mike's request:

Mike's personal congregation:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/109325837.jpg

Mike's Rocco:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/109325821.jpg

[vic tynes]

You know you make me want to shout -- Woo! Shout -- Woo! Blue -- Woo! Red -- Too! Shout -- throw my head back and ...
Shout -- Play a Reverend, Now! Shout -- Woo! Shout -- Woo!

Cool pix! Cool axes! Cool players! Amen, brother! :cool:

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by vic tynes
Cool pix! Cool axes! Cool players! Amen, brother! :cool:

Says the beneficiary of my inability to sell any of my Revs even though I've got 4 (as now, to keep my word to the missus, I'm selling the USA Buddy Guy Strat I bought from Vic nearly 5 years ago back to Vic). :)

[daphil]

Hi!

New member and proud SS owner here! I'll post a pic when I can.

The Rev is right now my only electric and it sounds so good and blends so well to my playing style that I can get through most musical genres pretty easily. These axes have a lot of sounds in them.

I always dug LP jr. but for whatever reason the 24.75 scale lenght on Gibsons doesn't sound good with my playing.

I'll dig back in this thread a bit to tell Glenn that I have tried the Private Jack and it's a REALLY GREAT speaker in a 20 watt application (YGM-3 Guitarmate). I had a Mesa MC90 which I got after seing Jon put one in his own YGM-3 but somehow I grew tired of it and wanted something with more bite and texture.

Finally, for the longest time I wanted a Rev amp. I'll have to admit that, although I understand the motives, the recent discontinuation of the amp line got me looking elsewhere. I'm waiting on the delivery of a rivera M-60 now. Hope it'll sound good.

See ya!

[Glenn_K]

Hey Daphil,

Thanks for the Private Jack assessment. I'm thinking of grabbing one and jamming it in my Hellhound. :-) Let us know what you think of the Riviera and how it fares with your Slingshot.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by daphil
I have tried the Private Jack and it's a REALLY GREAT speaker in a 20 watt application (YGM-3 Guitarmate). I had a Mesa MC90 which I got after seing Jon put one in his own YGM-3 but somehow I grew tired of it and wanted something with more bite and texture.

It would be a boring world indeed if everyone had the same favorites. :)

Without ever having tried a PJ in a YGM-3 I can't comment on that speaker but for sure, of the amps I've ever owned, the YGM-3 amp - MC90 speaker match is the best I've ever had.

I grow to love it more every time I plug into that sucker! :cool:

[daphil]

Glenn, those Eminences are so inexpensive that it's easy to try one. The PJ definitely has that woody Greenback flavor but the low end is much better. More balanced.

Jon, I really like the sound of the MC90 in the YGM-3 but I guess I was shooting for another type of sound, more raw and old school,which the PJ does well. By the way, the MC90 is MUCH LOUDER than the PJ.

The MC90 is a great speaker. I'm looking forward to try it in the Rivera as a matter of fact. The Rivera comes with a JBL.

[Avenger]

All those speakers on the Reverend in stock page have me thinking of a new speaker for my Hellhound. I like the Alltone, but the cone separated from the frame some months ago. Joe Naylor suggested repairing it with an epoxy, but that would have meant trying to detatch the whole cone from the frame. I didn't think I could do that without damaging the cone. A healthy amount of super glue worked quite well, but I suspect that fix won't last forever.

I do like the Alltone, but I wonder if another type of speaker might work better for me. I almost always leave my Hellhound in US mode. I actually like the 40 watt mode, especially with my Avenger, since it seems to give a more blackface type of tube sag to my ears. But when jamming I do prefer the 60 watt mode and find I need to boost the mids from the my usual scooped mid preference, in order to cut through.

I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking for, if not something similar to the Alltone. I like the Hellhound to sound like a black face Fender with my Avenger and I like it to sound like an overdriven tweed amp with my p-90 Hotshot Jr. and Drivetrain II pedal. Any words of wisdom would help me narrow it down a bit, but I'll probably just buy one of the Eminences and see how it sounds.

BTW are those good prices for the Eminence speakers on the Reverned site?

[Avenger]

I also meant to say welcome, daphil. I'll bet your Slingshot will sound awesome with the Rivera. I really like the Riveras I've tried.

Terry

Edited for my usual bad spelling.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Avenger
I do like the Alltone, but I wonder if another type of speaker might work better for me. I almost always leave my Hellhound in US mode. I actually like the 40 watt mode, especially with my Avenger, since it seems to give a more blackface type of tube sag to my ears. But when jamming I do prefer the 60 watt mode and find I need to boost the mids from the my usual scooped mid preference, in order to cut through.

I guess I'm not sure what I'm looking for, if not something similar to the Alltone. I like the Hellhound to sound like a black face Fender with my Avenger and I like it to sound like an overdriven tweed amp with my p-90 Hotshot Jr. and Drivetrain II pedal. Any words of wisdom would help me narrow it down a bit, but I'll probably just buy one of the Eminences and see how it sounds.

BTW are those good prices for the Eminence speakers on the Reverned site?

Terry, can't comment on the prices (don't know!) but two thoughts.

One, on the FDP thread, Joe Naylor pointed out that the 35 oz. magnet Eminences fit into the HH cab (the limiting factor being the amount of room before the mag assembly hits the power tubes) BUT the 50 oz. magnet assembly speakers likely won't (one guy said he tried and they don't).

Two, your ears are very discriminating on the 40-60W difference. If you want to email me a # I can reach you at evenings or over the weekend I call tell you more about what that switch actually changes in the amp (you'll be surprised) and share more speaker ideas.

[Avenger]

Thanks, Jon. I'll e-mail you my number. I am a novice with this speaker stuff. I'm sure your knowledge will enlighten me greatly.

I agree that there is not much of a sound difference between the 40 and 60 watt on the Hellhound. I don't suppose my ears are that discriminating. To me the difference is more in feel. The 40 watt seems to feel very slightly more soft, with a slight delay between hitting the strings and hearing it through the amp. Probably just the opposite of what some people are looking for, but to me it seems a little more like what I think a blackface fender sounds/feels like. Whereas, in a jam mix, the 40 watt mode does not seem to cut like the 60 watt mode. The difference is very slight, and maybe more my imagination than anything else, but while playing solo I definitely gravitate toward that 40 watt setting.

Terry

[Glenn_K]

Guys,

I ordered one of the Private Jacks from Reverend today. $50 is a great price, especially when you figure in the free shipping. One thing to note is that the leads on the Hellhound are soldered on to the speaker. So you either need to get a new speaker cable with removable leads or do some unsoldering/soldering.

Avenger, you might be interested in the Red White and Blues--not sure, you might want to read more about what they are supposed to sound like. The Private Jack has more of a British sound which is what I'm after and for $50 I figure it will be fun to give it a go no matter what.

I'm still considering an Avatar cabinet with a Red Fang!

[Avenger]

Glenn,

Actually, Joe Naylor mentioned to me that the Red White and Blues might be the most similar to the Alltone. I might grab one. I think that might be a soldering job I can actually handle (as opposed to trying to solder pots and capacitors, etc.)

Terry

[Jon Silberman]

Jeez louise, guys, soldering speaker leads must take a whole 30 second apiece. :eek:

Truthfully, the harder part is removing the chassis (I believe you must, in the case of the HH, to remove and replace the speaker). Be careful! Remove all the tubes first, tilt the amp on its side so you can slide out the chassis without worring about it falling (it'll be heavier than you think), and whatever you do, don't touch the caps.

[Avenger]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Jeez louise, guys, soldering speaker leads must take a whole 30 second apiece. :eek:

Truthfully, the harder part is removing the chassis (I believe you must, in the case of the HH, to remove and replace the speaker). Be careful! Remove all the tubes first, tilt the amp on its side so you can slide out the chassis without worring about it falling (it'll be heavier than you think), and whatever you do, don't touch the caps.

Actually the speaker is front loaded in the HH. No need to take out the chassis.:)

edited to add, this will be the one and only time that I will ever be able to correct Jon on something technical.:D

[Glenn_K]

Yes, I noticed that about the front-loading aspect of the Hellhound. Terry, go for the speaker. Ok, yeah, the soldering is an easy job, but if it had detachable leads it would be better--that way a swap back and forth would be much easier. The Goblins and Kingsknakes now have detachable leads.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Avenger
Actually the speaker is front loaded in the HH. No need to take out the chassis.:)

edited to add, this will be the one and only time that I will ever be able to correct Jon on something technical.:D

Cool, in this case, I'm glad to have been wrong! :)

[daphil]

Thanks Avenger for the welcome.

I'm looking forward to the Rivera. I always defined myself gear-wise as some sort of purist, using vintage gear in a stripped down fashion to create music. I played 10 years on a BF Bassman with the original cab. 3 knobs! But , at this point, I want some diversity and I can't afford 4-5 good amps. And I wasted too much money and time getting old gear fixed.

So, my SS was the first instrument I bought NEW. I'll tell you, it's a pleasure to just get it delivered to you, open the case, grab your guitar and play. No issues, no hassle, just fun and music.

The Rivera isn't new but recent and in good shape. I got it at a great price. If I can cop 4-5 good tones out of it, I'll be a happy camper. What sold me to the M-60 is that the gain channel is not "Boogie" voiced, which I don't like. It's said to be rawer, like an old Marshall would be. Of course it's NOT an old Marshall but if I can cop the vibe, that'll be great!

[A42]

Greetings all.

Originally posted by Glenn_K
The Goblins and Kingsknakes now have detachable leads.

I'm pretty sure they're still soldering the leads on the Goblin. They were soldered on the one I had...

[Jon Silberman]

Greetings back atya! :)

[Jon Silberman]

Interesting, this guy on eBay put a Weber C12CA in his Hellhound (I wouldn't have thought one would fit).

http://i11.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/c7/fd/a1_1_b.JPG

[Glenn_K]

A42, my Goblin doesn't and Steve at Reverend said that they now both use detachable leads. Hmm. Odd.

[A42]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
A42, my Goblin doesn't and Steve at Reverend said that they now both use detachable leads. Hmm. Odd.

Very interesting. I can't vouch for what it was like when it came back from them, but the first time I'm pretty sure they were soldered on. I remember thinking how odd it was. Weird.

In other news... I'm really growing to appreciate my Hotshot Jr. I was looking for a Les Paul Jr originally, or possibly an SG Classic w/ P-90's. The Green Monster isn't quite that -- it's got a voice all its own. I dig it.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by A42
[B]In other news... I'm really growing to appreciate my Hotshot Jr. I was looking for a Les Paul Jr originally, or possibly an SG Classic w/ P-90's. The Green Monster isn't quite that -- it's got a voice all its own. I dig it.

How 'bout a pic?! :RoCkIn

[Avenger]

Originally posted by A42
Very
In other news... I'm really growing to appreciate my Hotshot Jr. I was looking for a Les Paul Jr originally, or possibly an SG Classic w/ P-90's. The Green Monster isn't quite that -- it's got a voice all its own. I dig it.

Hey, John. I'm still in the Hotshot Jr. appreciation club. I love that guitar. I love that Rio Grande pickup. Are you looking for an amp to replace your Goblin? I'd be interested to know how the Hotshot sounds with a non-reverend amp (I do recall that it sounded pretty nice through your Crate, though).

Terry

[A42]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
How 'bout a pic?! :RoCkIn

I'll post one as soon as I get some new batteries for the camera.

[A42]

Originally posted by Avenger
Hey, John. I'm still in the Hotshot Jr. appreciation club. I love that guitar. I love that Rio Grande pickup. Are you looking for an amp to replace your Goblin? I'd be interested to know how the Hotshot sounds with a non-reverend amp (I do recall that it sounded pretty nice through your Crate, though).

Terry

I am thinking of a new amp to replace the Goblin. Well, actually to replace the amp the Goblin was supposed to replace. (Blues Jr.) I'm leaning towards a SF Deluxe or similar.

I'm playing the Jr. thru my Champ and my Blues Jr. Sounds awsome clean and with a Barber LTD.

--john

[Avenger]

Well, I just purchased a Cannabis Rex for my HH. I spent two hours trying to cull through the voluminous info on the Eminence speakers. Much of the info was inconsistent and contradictory in many respects. I suppose that is to be expected when dealing with something that mostly boils down to personal taste. In the end I just took a shot in the dark. We'll see how I like the CRex.

I also bought a set of Graphtech saddles for my Hotshot Jr. I've never broken so many strings on a guitar before as with the Jr. Maybe I just play that guitar harder. In any case I hope the new saddles will stop the string breakage without giving up much in the tone department.

[Jon Silberman]

I would have predicted the Cannabis Rex would be too dark for the HH but let us know what you find through your actual experience. P.S. You can always add a bright switch to the amp, I'm using 50 pf per the original Rev circuit but if I ever do it over again I'll up it to 64-100.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/37284587.jpg

[A42]

Any of y'all tried one (or more) Reverends with a Dr. Z Maz Jr? I played one at Action today and it blew me away. Played it w/ a Tele, a LP, and an SG Jr. (single P-90) and it sounded great with all of them. Sadly no Revs around to try it with.

Anyone?

[Glenn_K]

Hey, I just played my Hellhound yesterday for awhile (stock) and rediscovered that I liked it quite a bit as is! It's been awhile since I played through it since I've been using the Goblin as head, etc. I do have an annoying filament rattle in one tube, even though it's a farily new tube from Reverend. And still, I think that both the Goblin and HellHound have a bit of a shrill sound to them. This isn't always an issue, but I notice that it makes certain pedals that lean towards the high end hard to use. We'll see what happens when I try the Private Jack.

A42, the Dr Z amps are supposed to be real good. I think someone on the FDP Rev forum has one.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
I think that both the Goblin and HellHound have a bit of a shrill sound to them. This isn't always an issue, but I notice that it makes certain pedals that lean towards the high end hard to use.

Glenn, what's the S/N on your HH? If it's below 737 and you haven't clipped the treble bleed cap per Tech Bulletin #4, based on this comment, you're a candidate for it.

http://www.reverenddirect.com/reverend/manuals_tech/tech_bulletin_4.html

Otherwise, your comment just goes to show why it's different strokes for different folks. I don't find my HH to be shrill at all, to the contrary, for my darkest-sounding guitars, I sometime find myself maxed out with treble and presence wishing for more!

P.S. Of course, this all could be nothing more than my hearing being shot above 5K Hz and yours not. :eek:

[Glenn_K]

Hmmm. mine is #409 but I got it used. I think the previous owner got it done but not sure. How can I tell?

[Jon Silberman]

Only way is to pull the chassis and look (the cap, if it's there, will be obvious, it'll be wired onto the volume pot). If if it there, you can just clip one end and leave it dangling, that way it'll be out of the circuit but you (or subsequent owners, if any) can easily solder it back in if you change your mind.

It's not necessarily fun pulling a chassis but the whole thing should take you 15 minutes. Drop me a line if you're going to try it, I have some tips I can share.

But if it's still there, most definitely, clipping it will remove any shrillness issues (that's why Joe himself removed it from the circuit).

[Glenn_K]

Just found out the mod was already done.

Speaking of hearing, I just got mine checked and it's good, or at least "normal." :-)

[Jon Silberman]

Mine, on the other hand, has a nice little dip at 4K Hz ("rock 'n' roll syndrome," same as Bill Clinton - and I'm talking health now, not politics!).

[A42]

As promised, a picture of the Green Monster. Thoughts of how this might sound thru a Dr. Z Maz Jr are keeping me awake nights...


http://www.a42.net/guitars/green.jpg

[Mike Duncan]

Awesome shot of the Green Monster. You can't go wrong any guitar that's green! I loved how Terry's sounds, I'm sure yours sounds just as sweet.

Very nice!

Mike

[Jon Silberman]

Use that one for all your St. Patrick Day gigs! :D

[Glenn_K]

Ha ha! Good one Jon!

I got my Private Jack today. If I can get out from a mountain of work and get a little time to jam it in my HH, I'll give a report. If I don't like it there, I have other amps that are candidates.

[A42]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Use that one for all your St. Patrick Day gigs! :D

Yep. Add in one of my red Tele's and I'm set for Christmas, too.

Mike -- you've got Halloween covered, right? :)

--john

[Glenn_K]

Just put a Private Jack in my HellHound and after a short test of playing for about an hour it sounds GREAT! Just what I was looking for. More low end, but still has the sparkle. Mids are way thick and creamy!

[Mike Duncan]

Halloween is taken care of!!:p

[koamarlin]

Originally posted by hemlock
Here's my Slingshot Custom. Unfortuantely, it's for sale right now. sniff!

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2804/rev9nn.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rev9nn.jpg)

Funny! Just want to throw in a picture of my ´67 FRAMUS Strato, which has a lot in common with your REVEREND , designwise.:D

http://www.wfroehlich.page.ms/image/105336_13

[Phillip_H]

Nice revs. I've had a slingshot custom that I bought on ebay for $500 almost 2 years ago. It is the best electric guitar that I have ever played. I used to have a Hellhound, but it was a little too loud for stage use, so I sold it and bought a Goblin a few months ago (before they were discontinued).

The Goblin is perfect for me. I can mic it on stage and use it as my monitor without bleeding into the other monitor mixes or the audience. What's more, I can turn the Goblin up past 12 o'clock, which I could never do on stage with the Hellhound. I use a few pedals in front (red Jekyll & Hyde, Maxon OD-9, wah) and they sound great.

I'm thinking about getting an extension cabinet with a 12" speaker and bypassing the 10" neo. It just lacks some of the bottom end of a good 12" speaker. I'm not sure what to get. Maybe I'll try one of the speakers from the Reverend demo page.

I'll post some pics of my gear later on.

[Avenger]

My grand tone experiment seems to have failed. I bought a Cannabis Rex off the in stock Reverend page to see if it would help out my Hellhound. It doesn't fit. The speaker frame is too big for the hole in the baffle. It misses by at least 1/8 of an inch. And, if it did drop all the way in, it seems that it would hit the power tubes. It must be a bigger frame than the Private Jack. :jo

[Jon Silberman]

:confused: This makes no sense at all. The Eminence website is clear that the Nominal Basket Diameters, Baffle Hole Diameters, and Mounting Holes Diameters on the PJ and CR are identical. :confused:

[Glenn_K]

Hmm. One of the guys on the FDP mentioned something like that, but I think Joe said they would fit. Let me look....

The quotes are from 9fingers and the other stuff is from Joe. I checked the specs and the Cannibis does have a 38oz magnet. Hmm. Sounds like Joe might have been wrong based on your discovery.
----

"There is very limited clearance between the speaker magnet and the power tubes depthwise on a Hellhound."

Good point! Sorry I missed that.

"I did have to enlarge the baffle hole a touch to fit "Emi's" in"

As far as I know, Emis should drop right in if you use the 1/8" gasket that we used for the Alltone...

"Most of the Legends fit- a lot of the Patriots & Redcoats won't or would be very tight."

The Emis with a 38 ounce or smaller magnet should fit fine. All the 12's on our In-Stock page are 38 ounce.

[Avenger]

I played with it a little more. It looks like it would actually just fit behind the power tubes. The baffle hole is only very slightly too small. Although the speaker is sticking out a good quarter of an inch, the hole would only have to be enlarged by maybe 1/16" all the way around. I could probably even use a sander to make it bigger. The question is, do I want to make that big of a mess inside my amp. I suppose I would pull the chassis and reverb tank out so they don't get dust in them. It sure would be easier if the damn thing just fit.

On top of that I'll have to solder the wires and I still don't know whether I will even like how it sounds.:mad:

[Glenn_K]

jon's right, the mounting specs are exactly the same as the PJ. weird. I wonder if there is any chance your HH hole is slightly smaller? 1/16th of an inch is a tiny amount. As far as the solder, it's super easy. Takes a few minutes. If you go ahead, do the soldering with the speaker out and on a flat surface.

[Phillip_H]

Here are a couple of pics:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/3991464/8279534/110791211.jpg
As you can see, my hardwood floors have been "relic'd"
http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL888/3991464/8279534/110791219.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Phillip, nice gear! Welcome to TGP, too. :)

[Crazyquilt]

Originally posted by Phillip Hintze
As you can see, my hardwood floors have been "relic'd"

:D

Did you have to pay extra for it? Does it give you that worn in, vintage feel?

Nice toys!

My Kingsnake should be here soon, I hope.

[Phillip_H]

Does it give you that worn in, vintage feel?

Dude, you wouldn't believe the tone...

My Kingsnake should be here soon, I hope.

I'm always jittery about gear in transit. Hopefully, yours will arrive soon and in one piece.

[Avenger]

I replaced the saddles on my Hotshot Jr. with Graphtech. I was breaking strings at the bridge, which has never been a problem for me in the past. I'm happy to report that there is no noticeable loss of high end or clarity with the Graphtech. Time will tell if they help with the string breakage. One thing I noticed is the saddles I replaced were not the same as the saddles on my Eastpointe Avenger, which has never had string breakage problems. Here are some pics of the three saddle types:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture590.jpg
The new Graphtechs

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture592.jpg
The stock saddles (and bridge plate) from the Hotshot Jr.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/Avenger7/Picture591.jpg
The saddles from the Eastpointe Avenger.

Terry

[Mike Duncan]

Terry - I've got the factory installed Graph-Techs on my SSC (the green one with the flames). I've never had any string breakage issues and have never felt that the Graph-Tech suck away any tone. I'll think you'll enjoy them! Besides, the black saddles look menacing with the rest of that all black guitar.

Mike

[Jon Silberman]

I replaced the stock vintage style saddles on my ex-Buddy Guy Strat with Graphtecs not due to tone or string breakage but because I was slicing up my palms on the sharp screws.

I know some people say they add mids and suck highs but if so, I didn't notice it. And they are smooth!

[Glenn_K]

Terry, you must play pretty hard. I can't remember ever breaking a string. In fact I seem to remember you wailing away at the last jam! Ha ha.

You know, we're still waiting to hear about that speaker...

[Avenger]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
Terry, you must play pretty hard. I can't remember ever breaking a string. In fact I seem to remember you wailing away at the last jam! Ha ha.

You know, we're still waiting to hear about that speaker...

That is why I switched to the Graphtech. I've never really broken strings before, but I broke 5 strings at the bridge. A mix of high E, B, G and even a D. I think the newer stock saddles are of a lower quality than the old ones.

We had company this weekend, so I haven't gotten around to making the hole in the speaker baffle bigger. I should get to it this week. I will report back.

[Brudr]

Hey folks. First time poster on this forum. Just had to stop in and sing the praises of Reverend. I've been searching for that "special" Blues tone I hear in my head for several years now and had never been really satisfied. I've always been for comfortable on LP's/335's, but just couldn't get that note clarity and attack I like out of humbuckers (although a P90 equipped Lester ain't too shabby). Strats and Tele's are closer in tone, but were just always a little thin (Lacked that midrange whack) and I never cared for the 7.25/9" radius etc.. I've also been through a bunch of others (Heritage, McInturff, Guild, Melancon, G&L, Hamer) which were nice, but not all together different from the standards. Then, on a whim, I score an older Reverend Slingshot off Ebay with the Eastpoint neck. Boom! There it is. Nice big neck with flatter radius and jumbo frets, lightweight with great hollowbody oomph and P90 pickups that retain clarity and still have crunch. It even sustains like a Les Paul. I was really quite taken aback. It really has made me re-think the whole "tonewood/oldwood arguements". I was so impressed, I just pulled the trigger on another "Eastpointe neck" Reverend ( Avenger) off Ebay. I'm sold, and I'm even warming up to the looks. (sans toe)
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL514/850339/6989999/111381363.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Welcome, Brudr!

P.S. That's a Slingshot, not an Avenger.

[Brudr]

Thanks Jon! And yes, I know it is a Slingshot. That's the first Ebay snare and the one that just keeps amazing me. I should have the Avenger by next week (East pointe neck, black finish with white pickguard and pickups). I can't believe how great these guitars sound and feel and I don't have over $1100 in BOTH. I'm going to need some hardshell cases though as these both come with the hideous "gig" bags. I have an order in for one, but apparently they are temporarily out of the teardrop cases. Anyone know if another type of hardshell case will fit the Reverend body shape?

http://i16.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/d3/a2/77_1_b.JPG

[A42]

Originally posted by Brudr
I have an order in for one, but apparently they are temporarily out of the teardrop cases.

You might check with some of the dealers. They might have some to sell...

[Jon Silberman]

I have an old Yamaha tear drop case that I use with one of my Revs, fits it very well!

[Brudr]

Thanks for the suggestions guys! I'll look around a bit (although Joe's direct price on the Rev TKL case looks pretty good to me). Will the Reverend body shape fit in the typical Fender rectangular type case?

[Jon Silberman]

Interesting question! I've never tried it but can give it a try at some point over the weekend and post back.

[Jon Silberman]

Interesting - the FDP folks are saying the Reverend Congregation thread that was over there has disappeared. I, too, have no idea either why but I've again welcomed the participants to join us here.

P.S. I'm sorry I wasn't able to post that pic of the Yamaha coffin case but all it would show you anyway is my Slingshot sitting in it just fine (a little extra room up top by the headstock but fine for general transport).

[Jon Silberman]

Even stranger, I posted a link over on the FDP to here in the new thread discussing the Congregation's demise and someone must have deliberately deleted it because it's gone now. Is that a rule over there, too, that you can't tell people about stuff happening elsewhere in cyberspace? :confused:

[Crazyquilt]

That's bizarre, Jon. I'd just thought, maybe the Congregation had slipped to the second page, but you're right -- I searched, it's gone. I never even saw the "Where'd it go?" thread.

I guess I'll have to talk about my new Kingsnake arriving tomorrow here. :dude

[A42]

Originally posted by Crazyquilt
I searched, it's gone.

Here's a link to it that still works: Reverend Congregation (http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=215363)

The most recent post (about 2 hours ago) was from Chris Greene warning to stay on topic or lose the thread. The thread doesn't seem any more "off-topic" than usual to me...

[Jon Silberman]

>> Chris Greene
>> FDP Host

>> Idaho, USA

>> I don't know why you can't post...
>> Sep 12th, 2005 09:59 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search Topic
>> Please stay on topic if you don't want to lose this thread.

I wish no one any ill will in any way, however, as of this moment, I'm done with the FDP. No, CG, even though I don't believe your post here was directed at me personally, I don't like it. You can't fire me, I've already quit, I'll delete my bookmarks and quick links now.

If anyone wants my input on anything Rev related, tell 'em where to find me (right here). And yes, I'm serious (and even if I wasn't, I'm sure "someone" will apprise "someone" of this post so I soon won't have FDP posting privileges anymore anyway, not that it matters at this point).

Some of you know from email you've received from me that the reason I started this thread in the first place was when the FDP "leadership" summarily banned a new member for mistakenly posting a "For sale" ad in the Rev. Cong. thread itself and then, upon promptly deleting it and agreeing not to do it again, characterized the rule as "dopey." Well, the rule's not dopey, I understand the rule and respect it, but I did not respect the reaction - that is wrong, it is not correct to treat another person what way - so I set this place up as a wholesome, welcome alternative.

And that's exactly what it's become thanks to all of you who are keeping it alive, open, welcoming, and moving.

[Brudr]

...........and thanks for doing so, Jon. I just posted this question over at the FDP prior to reading about your previous experience. I will definately focus on posting here from now on. Following up from a previous post, I was able to score a Reverend HS case from a dealer...........thanks for the tip. Here's a quick question.......................How does the current issue neck differ from the older "Eastpoint Neck" and was the Slingshot Custom ever made with the Eastpointe neck? Go Rev!

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Brudr
Here's a quick question.......................How does the current issue neck differ from the older "Eastpoint Neck" and was the Slingshot Custom ever made with the Eastpointe neck? Go Rev!

The current neck is not as beefy. I would compare the current neck to the Warmoth "Standard Thin" carve and the Eastpoint to Warmoth's " '59 Roundback."

http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/images/necks/contours/59roundback.jpg

That being said, though, there has been some variation, over the years, in the Eastpoint carve - I have 4 and they're all a wee bit different - so take this just as general guidance.

Yes, the SSC has been made with the Eastpoint carve, I own one myself.

[P.Muck]

hmmm, to paraphrase Bill (or Ted) "Strange things are afoot at the FDP"

Also to paraphrase somebody else whose opinion I've come to value (even more than Bill & Ted) "Instead of cursing the darkness, I'll just follow the candle.... "

Anyway, I've got a couple of "on topic" questions here (i think, good thing no one's judging) ; )

I have a late model workhorse SSC that I'm thinking of adding spurzel tuners to, but I'm wondering how much tuning stability they actually add. I don't really have any issue w/tuning now, main reason would be to facilitate string changing and 'cuz I'm dying to do something to my guitar beside play it, which leads me to my next question...
Sonically speaking, what am I missing in the SSC that is available in the Slingshot? I think it's only the combination of Bridge & Neck PUPs at the same time right? That mod should be easy enough, but as long as I'm in there, what about the ability to switch in/out of phase? What does that sound like?

Anybody out there (Jon) with these mods who can attempt to describe the differences they make?


Thanks,
Pat

[A42]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Well, the rule's not dopey, I understand the rule and respect it, but I did not respect the reaction

Many message boards -- including this one -- have "no solicitation" policies. Far from being dopey, I think they are extremely necessary.

Some moderators actually put a little bit of care, thought, and tact into their policies. Others don't. :)

[Avenger]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
>> Chris Greene
>> FDP Host

>> Idaho, USA

>> I don't know why you can't post...
>> Sep 12th, 2005 09:59 AM Edit Profile Print Topic Search Topic
>> Please stay on topic if you don't want to lose this thread.
...

so I set this place up as a wholesome, welcome alternative.

And that's exactly what it's become thanks to all of you who are keeping it alive, open, welcoming, and moving.

Thanks for setting up this place, Jon. Having the FDP host threaten to wipe out nearly 10,000 posts seems a bit strange, to say the least. There is a great deal of Reverend information and history in that thread (albiet quite difficult to access). I do prefer the ability to post pics here. I've never considered it worthwhile to pay $30 to post pics and sell stuff over there. If I am considered a second class citizen at FDP... Oh well. I have a feeling that their recent drive to get people to contribute over there has something to do with the warning to stay on topic. You have to pay the $30 to post non-gear related posts now.

[Crazyquilt]

That's just ... odd. I could use more colorful language, but... eh.

FWIW, the Congregation seems to have returned.

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Avenger
Thanks for setting up this place, Jon. Having the FDP host threaten to wipe out nearly 10,000 posts seems a bit strange, to say the least. There is a great deal of Reverend information and history in that thread (albiet quite difficult to access). I do prefer the ability to post pics here. I've never considered it worthwhile to pay $30 to post pics and sell stuff over there. If I am considered a second class citizen at FDP... Oh well. I have a feeling that their recent drive to get people to contribute over there has something to do with the warning to stay on topic. You have to pay the $30 to post non-gear related posts now.

I think you hit the nail smack on the head, Terry. The Congregation thread had obviously become - emphasis on "had" - more than just a place to type out specs and technical information. It had become a community. As such, we all routinely shared personal, fun info. and anecdotes along with the "strict Reverend fare."

That, apparently, is over.

But have no fear, all of the format, software capabilities, rules, enforcement, and most importantly, the Admins and Mods here on TGP are light years beyond the FDP. I truly cannot speak more highly of this place, its leaders, and denizens. :)

And you'll never be forced to "pay to play" here. Just read Brian Scherzer's stickie on the latest fundraising drive - all goals exceeded with the softest of approaches. I rushed my own contribution at my first opportunity but even if I hadn't, no one would ever treat me one iota differently.

That's just the way we manage things here. :)

[A42]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
That's just the way we manage things here. :)

Like I said: "care, thought, and tact." :)

[Phillip_H]

I have also kissed the FDP goodbye. I was a somewhat frequent poster under the name phintze. However, I was banned a couple of months ago for posting the following:

"I'm thinking about selling my blonde Hellhound and getting a Goblin. I love the HH, but it's just a little too loud for the venue I'm using it for. I'm setting it up offstage and mic'ing it. This would be fine, except that I can't turn it up loud enough to get a good sound without getting too loud offstage. Also, it doesn't hurt that the Goblin is 15 lbs lighter than the HH. Opinions?"

At this point, I was not even sure that I wanted to sell my Hellhound. I was certainly not trying to solicit a sale. I think that CG needs to remove his jackboots and relax a little. Oh well, good riddance. The FDP is archaic and outdated anyway.

Ok, I'm done "cursing the darkness now." ;)

[Jon Silberman]

Welcome, Phillip, great to have you here. :)

[martyncrew]

here we go again!;)

[martyncrew]

FWIW, I had a brief email exchange with CG after the suspension of The Reverend Congregation and it seems that we'd got too chatty and off-theme (was it the RevFolk posts that did it?).

I have huge sympathy for anyone moderating a forum on the scale of the FDP and think that CG & Co do a good job, however, The Congregation seems to have outgrown it's birthplace.

Let's hope we get critical mass over here!

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by martyncrew
I ...
I have huge sympathy for anyone moderating a forum on the scale of the FDP and think that CG & Co do a good job, ...

I'll resist the urge to comment on this other than to say two things. One, the lowest scum of the earth is a bully. Two, if you value peace and quiet, resist posting this comment elsewhere here or on most other forums (and especially at the Weber board and The Fender Forum!) as what you ignight in response won't be pretty.

But I digress ...

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/2949318/102120832.jpg

[martyncrew]

Point taken, advice appreciated.

[Jon Silberman]

eBay Rocco alert - this is a cool one! :dude

http://i15.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/e4/71/34_1_b.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-Rocco-electric-guitar-alluminum-hawaiian-scene_W0QQitemZ7349545144QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Brudr]

I saw that one. I also noticed the Rocco with the Eastpointe neck and exposed humbuckers. I've never been a fan of the "split coil" humbucker sound. How well do the Rev's do it? Are Rocco's made with just a 3-way switch?

[P.Muck]

mike duncan,
What is that big green thing behind the bridge of your SSC? I noticed when the photo was first posted and figured it was some kind of fancy pick holder, but now I'm not so sure- just wondering...

[P.Muck]

FWIW:

I sent Brian the money I had earmarked for the FDP- I realized that it's kind of silly to give somebody money just so I can post in Moe's and to still worry about whether I'm too far off topic
in the Reverend thread.

[Glenn_K]

I guess I missed all the action on the FDP while I was away for a long weekend. Hard to imagine someone has enough time to monitor all that.

Still lovin' the Private Jack in the Hellhound although I've had only limited time to play lately. I was thinking of picking up one of the Man o' Wars for another amp of mine from the Reverend site, but they're gone.

I wonder if we'll be seeing any early reviews of the new import Rev guitars in the mags.

[Crazyquilt]

I think I need to break in my new Kingsnake. It sounds alright, but EXTREMELY brittle and hard, especially as compared to my Carr & SFPR. It's also making a noise like an flourescent light; it's definitely coming form the chassis, but I can't tell exactly where from.

I've heard of folks doing this with music -- just run a line out from the CD player to the input? Is that an OK signal level?

If I do it tonight, I'll probably throw an acoustic blanket over the front of the amp (leaving the back open to vent) so seven hours of ghostly music doesn't keep my kid up as it wafts through the air ducts...

[Glenn_K]

CQ, yes I've heard of people doing that for days at high volume to break in the speaker. Are you saying there is a rattle, or just a brightness to the sound?

[Crazyquilt]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
CQ, yes I've heard of people doing that for days at high volume to break in the speaker. Are you saying there is a rattle, or just a brightness to the sound?

The sound is bright & harsh. Also, there's that flourescent light business, which is definitely not the speaker.

[Glenn_K]

I think "bright" might be due to the jenson speaker model. "Harsh" might be the speaker needing to be broken in. Not sure about what you mean about the flourescent light noise. Interesting that Joe suggests lowering the mids. I would think raising them would make it less bright, but I suppose he is looking at making it less harsh. I've heard from others that the neo is famous for neading a break-in period.

[Jon Silberman]

Substituting an alternative preamp tube or two known to be less trebly/mellower is another option you could try for the new KS. Yet another - and please excuse the obviousness of this one but it never ceases to astound me how many of us never use our guitars' tone controls - is to slightly roll off the treble at the guitar.

[Crazyquilt]

Originally posted by Glenn_K
I think "bright" might be due to the jenson speaker model. "Harsh" might be the speaker needing to be broken in... I've heard from others that the neo is famous for neading a break-in period.

Yah.

I took it off the amps tand & put it on the floor. Much better, actually. I think I was also tired & cranky yesterday, which always affects one's ability to hear clearly. (Me, anyway.)

So I'm a happier Congregant today.

[Jon Silberman]

Crazyquilt has spoken so now it's official - we remain "Congregants" wherever we be. :)

[Mike Duncan]

PMuck - That was a Tiki head decal painted by the kitschy-nightcluby-tiki artist Shag. Recently I felt a return to pure Reverendness and removed the sticker. It's now on the case and the aluminum/flames were not harmed during any of the sticking or removal. When I spoke to the guys at Reverend a while back to order my Spy, I was asked the same question..."you're the guy in the picture with that thing on your guitar, what is that?"

I feel like a minor celebrity.

Mike

[P.Muck]

mike- there's worse ways to become a "minor celebrity" ( Think John Wayne Bobbit)

I've been thinking about adding some racing stripe decals to my Reverend, it's kind of got a tuxedo/penguin thing going now, so it would probably look like a faster penguin with the stripes. Anybody else do any purely aesthetic mods to their gear?

[Crazyquilt]

I've considered doing some aesthetic stuff to my Revs, since in my Other Life, I'm a visual artist. But, near as I can figure, it's tough to paint on aluminum, and once it starts flaking/peeling, it'll look like crap. :p

[martyncrew]

I think I must have lucked out with the Neo in my Club King. It is very balanced and sweet sounding even when played on an amp stand. Maybe because the CK was a prototype Joe used a speaker that had already been broken in? Certainly the cosmetic condition of the amp is consistent with something that seen some reasonable playing time.

It's interesting to plug the CK into an external cab and hear how darkly voiced the amp is. IMO this voicing must be to tame the brightness of the NEO. Since the amp is a Goblin in a KS cab, I'm guessing the same is true of both Goblins and Kingsnakes.

BTW, as much as I love my SS, I can't get over how nice the CK sounds with a stock AV Strat with its low/mid gain pups. I think I'm moving into a "lower gain pickups = better tone" phase!

Martyn

[Brudr]

I too love the tone of my SS. To me, they sound great because they are lower output than other P90's I've tried. In general, I'd have to say that my most favorite pups (whether they were Humbuckers, P90's, Fender singles, etc...)have all been relatively "low output" for their particular type. One of my other current favs is a cheap, Mexican made Muddy Waters Telecaster. Other than being put together much better than you would expect, the pickups make this guitar. They are the Custom Shop American Vintage pickups. Low-output Alnico pups that are just tone monsters. If the tone that comes from the guitar and pickup combination is great, It'll make most amps sound great. If it ain't there to begin with, the amp won't much matter IMHO. :D

[Jon Silberman]

I totally agree with you guys on the SS's PUPs. And I'd add this - definitely experiment with the heights ... and not just a quarter screw turn - alot of turns. All PUPs are height sensitive and the SS P90s are very much so in my experience. I used to have mine much higher up. The last time I visited my tech and he set my SSC up, when I returned to pick up the guitar, he had lowered them way down. He said simply that to his ears, they sounded best lowered. I'll admit to having raised them up again slightly afterwards (probably on habit more than anything else) but generally have to agree with his judgement.

[Crazyquilt]

It's funny -- I've been fiddling with my SSC's pup height lately. I'd raised them really, really high, and it was interesting, but too hot. Yesterday, I lowered them significantly, even lower than they were stock, and I think the guitar sounds better than it's ever sounded. I may lower them a bit more, just to see what happens. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Will Ray lowered his middle SSC pup almost flush with the pickguard, so it'd stay out of his way. I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it's an interesting thing to fiddle with.

PS. Wearing my Rev tshirt today. I feel like such an utter geek. :D

[Mike Duncan]

On some other forum, I spoke to Joe about the p/u's on my SSC sounding muddy and fairly inarticulate. His recommendation was to lower them down to brighten them up. It really seems to have done the trick. I was finding that I wasn't able to that strat like bell tone at all before the move...now it's great!

Mike

[Brudr]

Absolutely, I beleive the SS pups need to be lower. I bought mine off Ebay and it arrived with both pups set about 1/4 obove being flush with the pickguard. Great clarity and note articulation. Somewhat like "high octane vintage Tele " tone. No muddiness whatsoever.

[Glenn_K]

The price a Reverend Drivetrain II is bringing on Ebay makes me want to put mine on there. Good gravy!

[Jon Silberman]

As the seller notes in his ad, "These pedals are no longer made and destined to become collectors items."

My own currently "reduced" 'board:

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL326/682310/1133497/109303843.jpg

[Avenger]

Jon,

I'll go off topic a litttle, but I'm curious about the location of your Fat Boost in your signal chain? Can you tell me why you've placed it there? I'm always anxious to learn something new.

Terry

[Mike Duncan]

I'd do the same thing Glenn, but I can't play my guitar without the DTII. It's become the most important part of my sound - lol!

[Avenger]

I'll only give up my DTII when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. :D

[A42]

Originally posted by Avenger
I'll go off topic a litttle, but I'm curious about the location of your Fat Boost in your signal chain?

While we're on (off?) the topic... I notice that you (Jon) have your H2O before your Drivetrain. Care to share?

--john

[Phillip_H]

It looks like the Drivetrain is before the H2O to me.

[Jon Silberman]

Here's the order:

Wah effect:
1. T-Wah

Overdrive:
2. DT II

Time-based effects (2 in 1):
3. H20

Tuner:
4. TU-2

Clean-boost:
5. Fat Boost

Reverb:
6. Holy Grail

Most of the order is standard fare given the effects involved.

The Fat Boost is probably the one others would move around the most. Or the tuner, though once it's in the chain it's in so I don't think it matters so much, especially as the DT II's buffer is, in my view, quite adequate to serve as the first buffered pedal in the chain (and you don't want your buffer before your wah). I just like the way it sounds at the end as a boost to everything before it (pure personal perference).

Some people might not put their reverb at the end, particularly after the Fat Boost, but one thing I really like about the HG is it handles different level signals exceptionally well, in my estimation, as reverb pedals go.

[A42]

Originally posted by Phillip Hintze
It looks like the Drivetrain is before the H2O to me.

Why, yes it is. Doh! Nevermind. Nothing to see here. :rolleyes: :

[Jon Silberman]

I think I can probably vouch personally for this one. ;)

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101962

[Avenger]

Jon, I see you decided to thin the herd a bit more. That is a great color combo with the silver on red. Incidentally, my Eastpointe Avenger has a similar amount of flame on the neck. I think the two guitars are from around the same era.

Mike, did you decide to keep the blue and gold Rocco?

[Jon Silberman]

I'm conflicted on the sale, frankly (probably shows from the ad wording). This is my 1st Rev and a fine one. After months of contemplation, I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on a unique and expensive custom guitar (no, I'm not talking yet!) and that's what's underlying it. If the Slingshot doesn't sell, that's fine, too, I'll just save a couple of months longer for the other guitar. Though something will have to go at some point as I've committed to never again exceed the total number of axes I have at the moment.

[Jon Silberman]

Rumblefish alert! :eek:

EDIT: damn - can't get the link to work (search eBay for "Rumblefish").

http://cgi.ebay.com/Reverend-Rumblefish-PJ-bassNR-Like-New-Vintage-White_W0QQitemZ7350751444QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Jon Silberman]

PSA for anyone interested in modding an older Rev to add a bass contour control or to otherwise mod the tone control setup for new capabilities:

1. http://www.glguitars.com/frameset.htm

Click on the link to the left labeled, "Support," then on the link labeled, "Technical Schematics and Wiring Diagrams: These are available for most current and discontinued models. Click here to go to this page.," then on the link to the Legacy Special schematic block diagram.

What you'll see there is essentially the same bass rolloff setup as Reverend uses though the component values may differ slightly (almost everyone uses a 1 meg pot for a ball rolloff, though).

Adding a bass rolloff control is an easy thing for a tech to do. My own preference to simulate a single coil sound from a rolled-off humbucker, though, is to up the value of the treble bleed cap to a high value, e.g., 1000 pf.)


2. http://www.griblinengineering.com/guitar.htm

3. http://www.guitar-mod.com/mod_jumper.html

[Brudr]

AVENGER ARRIVES!

Well, this is Reverend #2. Had a chance to give it some playing time this weekend. Another nice Eastpointe neck! Interestingly, this guitar seems to be lighter than my SS (noticeably). Looks like the original owner added the Strat knobs and replaced the orginal Tuners with Schallers (not sure why). The serial # is a bit faded, but it looks like 01653. I'm not sure if this will be a keeper. I like the guitar, but it really doesn't give me much more than the SS. The #2 &4 positions are a bit tame compared to a typical Strat. Very nice neck and bridge tones, but not as much sparkle as the SS. Quick question, anyone know what size wrench I need to adjust the saddles on these Eastpoint bridges? Thanks.....

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL514/850339/6989999/112295345.jpg
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL514/850339/6989999/112295330.jpg

[Jon Silberman]

Originally posted by Brudr
The #2 &4 positions are a bit tame compared to a typical Strat. Very nice neck and bridge tones, but not as much sparkle as the SS.

The saddle wrench you need will be a standard metric size. Email Joe at Rev, he'll tell you exactly what you need and you can pick one up for a couple of buck at Sears or Home Depot.

Interesting, your observation on ## 2 and 4. Mine, too, on my Avenger. There are a number of ways you can address this. Two simple options: (1) swap out the stock 250K pots for 500Ks; (2) [this is what I'll be doing soon to mine] scrape the contact off the tone pot at the very end of the taper where it's full on, as with Fender's stock Delta tone pot, this will essentially remove the tone pot from the circuit entirely when it's full up and, I guarantee it, will make those positions sizzle.

P.S. I own a SS, SSC, and Avenger. Maybe you should also try playing more with the PUP heights on both guitars because I don't view the Avenger at all as replicating the sonic/tonal range of a SS or SSC.

[Crazyquilt]

Originally posted by Jon Silberman
Interesting, your observation on ## 2 and 4. Mine, too, on my Avenger. There are a number of ways you can address this. Two simple options: (1) swap out the stock 250K pots for 500Ks; (2) [this is what I'll be doing soon to mine] scrape the contact off the tone pot at the very end of the taper where it's full on, as with Fender's stock Delta tone pot, this will essentially remove the tone pot from the circuit entirely when it's full up and, I guarantee it, will make those positions sizzle.

P.S. I own a SS, SSC, and Avenger. Maybe you should also try playing more with the PUP heights on both guitars because I don't view the Avenger at all as replicating the sonic/tonal range of a SS or SSC.

The 'quack' tones on my Spy aren't as nice as the other 3, but none of them sound anything like my SSC. I know a Spy isn't the same as an Avenger, but it's much closer than an SSC, just lipsticks instead of Strat style pups. Even if you have the SSC pups backed all the way down, it's hard for me to imagine them being confused with a Strat type setip.

Interesting idea about the faux Delta tone, Jon. I wonder what that'd do for my Spy (which is a very smooth, warm sounding instrument.)

I really should be braver & break into my instruments.

[Brudr]

I should clarify. No, the SS does not sound more like a Strat than the Avenger. However, the middle position on the SS does have a bit more "quack" than does the Avenger in 2/4. The bridge P90 on the SS also has a lot more more "punchiness" than the bridge single coil of the Avenger. The pickups are very low on the Slingshot. As a reference, I have a Gibson LP 56 Reissue "Cloud 9" (which is a chambered Historic). The SS has all the characteristics of a semi-hollow Tele more so than a semi-hollow LP. I find less tonal difference between the SS and Avenger than I do between the LP and SS. None of this is bad.........in fact it's all good. :dude

[Avenger]

Brudr,

Obviously I'm a big fan of the Avenger, though I am in the minority (evidenced by the fact that Reverend doesn't make them any more and by the fact that two pretty cool Avengers have sat on the in-stock page for a very long time). I agree that the 2&4 don't give you the quack of an alder Strat. The Avenger is missing that woody quality. My favorite positions on the Avenger are the neck, which I probably play about 80% of the time, and the middle. I've never been a big fan of the bridge pickup. Reverend switched away from the standard Strat bridge to a Tele type bridge pickup (or a humbucker) in more recent years. I sometimes think about switching the bridge pickup, but never seem to get around to it.

If I were you, I'd give the guitar a chance for awhile anyway, since I think the neck pickup on the Avenger is one of the best sounds produced by a Reverend guitar. In fact I was listening to Pink Floyd's money yesterday and I realized that the Avenger can definitely get some of those David Gilmour tones.

Terry

[Avenger]

sorry about the double post.... Too much coffee today, I guess.:D

[Glenn_K]

My Avenger has the Tele style bridge pickup and seems to be wound super hot and I really like it. I think that's what makes the Avenger "TL." Another thing I really like about mine is having the Hipshot trem, since discontinued.

[martyncrew]

I agree - I'm a huge fan of the neck position single coils on Avengers and Commandos. However, I also think the all single coil Avengers, do tend to be a bit same sounding in all positions. That's one reason I like the Black Cat/Commando or Avenger GT pickup combinations.

BTW, I have Avenger GT #00058 (Kent Armstrong Dual Blade in the Bridge) and Black Cat #00103 which is basically a Commando with no tone control and a single ply pickguard.

[Fred_C]

Well, I finally figured out why the Reverend congregation thread on the FDP has been a bit lifeless recently. I'm a bit slow I guess. I occasionally posted there under a different name. Although I value posting there for a number of reasons, the main reason I went there was for the Rev congregation. Looks like I'll be following along here from now on. Jon et al, thanks for reloacating and not abandoning ship entirely.

[Brudr]

Originally posted by Avenger
Brudr,

Obviously I'm a big fan of the Avenger, though I am in the minority (evidenced by the fact that Reverend doesn't make them any more and by the fact that two pretty cool Avengers have sat on the in-stock page for a very long time). I agree that the 2&4 don't give you the quack of an alder Strat. The Avenger is missing that woody quality. My favorite positions on the Avenger are the neck, which I probably play about 80% of the time, and the middle. I've never been a big fan of the bridge pickup. Reverend switched away from the standard Strat bridge to a Tele type bridge pickup (or a humbucker) in more recent years. I sometimes think about switching the bridge pickup, but never seem to get around to it.

If I were you, I'd give the guitar a chance for awhile anyway, since I think the neck pickup on the Avenger is one of the best sounds produced by a Reverend guitar. In fact I was listening to Pink Floyd's money yesterday and I realized that the Avenger can definitely get some of those David Gilmour tones.

Terry

Not to worry, Terry. I plan on giving the Avenger a good workout before making any rash decisions (boy, have I regretted that in the past!!). I think Jon's suggestion about the pots may be interesting. Has anyone used any boutique type single coils in an Avenger?

[Glenn_K]

Recently I posted how great the Private Jack sounded in my Hellhound, particularly with my Avenger, and I now come to realize that it is the TL (Tele-type pickup) that sounds so good to me.

[martyncrew]

brudr - yes, I tried a Fralin Steel Pole in the bridge of an Avenger and it sounded great on its own. The problem was that even a 9.7k Steel Pole was drowned out by the Kent Armstrong pups in the neck and middle position. I had the KAs flat to the pickguard and could just about get the pickups balanced but I could never get the addition oomph that you typically want from a bridge pup.

In the end, I've gone back to the Kent Armstrong dual blade in the bridge. I HATE the look of the damn thing but have to admit that it sounds good.

[Crazyquilt]

Speaking of boo-teek pups ... who's tried one in a SS/SSC? I think Jon's used Rio Grandes? What about Lollars or HD?

Fred, I think some of us still are over on the FDP. Still some good peeps there, and Joe's comments are always worthwhile/helpful. IMO, there's really no winning angle in forum moderation or even talking about it -- so I stay out of it unless there's no other option.

[martyncrew]

I have a Rio Grande Blues Bar in my SS bridge - it's a bit hotter and more raw that the std P90.