View Full Version : Which loop pedals can instantly overdub? (don't know if that is the correct term)
09-20-2011, 11:06 PM
What I want to be able to do is record a loop, and then instantly start recording a second loop on top of the first loop without having to break from playing. I am borrowing a friend's Boss RC-20xl, and its really annoying that I have to record a loop, stop recording the loop by hitting the left pedal, and then having to hit the left pedal again to overdub (makes it so I have to let the first loop play once before overdubbing). Here's an example of what I want to be able to do (4:05-end)...
I realize that he uses two Line 6 DL4s to loop both his guitar and vocals, but I was curious if there was a single pedal that can loop both guitar and vocals and has instant overdub. Do you think it would be smarter to just get two Line 6 DL4s or is there a more compact/cheaper option?
09-21-2011, 12:51 AM
I think there are a number of loopers which follow the REC->OVERDUB->STOP sequence but, being most familiar with the Boomerang III, I can suggest a better solution which takes very few button presses, has no gaps or waiting, and results in up to 4 loops/layers which can then be started and stopped as desired for lots of variations as you proceed along. Here is the basic idea:
1- Set the III for parallel loops (Sync or Free) with all loops empty.
2- Create the master loop by pressing the Loop 3 button to begin recording. Use the master loop to record the basic chord progression one time through (or more if desired).
3- Terminate loop3 by pressing loop1. This will end the recording of the master, immediately begin the playback of the master and begin recording on loop1. This can be considered the first 'overdub'. Continue playing until you are approaching the end of the master loop (first time or any desired multiple) and press loop2 sometime before the master reaches its end. When the master ends the Boomerang will automatically end recording on loop1, immediately begin the playback of loop1 (along with the master) and begin recording on loop2. This will be the second overdub.
4- End the recording of loop2 by pressing the loop2 button sometime before the end of the master and all three loops will play together.
This is better than true overdubs because each layer is on its own loop and can be removed from the mix and added back in again as desired. Of course you can then use the Stack function to add more to each loop whenever you want to. Also any loop except the master can be erased are re-recorded too without ever having to stop. You can do this same thing with 4 loops if you set the unit up for that capability (especially nice with the SideCar).
This is especially powerful if you make slave tracks that are odd multiples of the master, say 3 masters for loop1 and 5 masters for loop2 since they will continue to play "in sync" but will continuously be shifting against each other which can add great variations to play against.
It probably sounds sorta complicated but it's not and with a very few button presses you can do all sorts of cool stuff.
09-21-2011, 02:39 AM
Check out the Boss RC 30. The default operation is record>>overdub>>play and it has an XLR input (with phantom-power) for mics.
09-21-2011, 05:44 AM
Stereo Jamman will do what you're asking.
09-21-2011, 07:15 AM
All the line 6 looper functions have separate record and play buttons. When you hit record at the end of your first loop, you immediately start recording the next layer.
hey hour9, mind telling me how I could do that?
I have the stereo jamman, and after I recorded a loop, I had to press the rec button again to stop that loop, and press it again to record the second loop :S
09-23-2011, 12:40 AM
I did forget to mention that the Rang III can do this using the 'overdub' method as well if you press Stack while a loop is recording (or Stack-Loop if in the parallel modes). When the recording is terminated the loop will begin playback with stacking enabled.
09-23-2011, 02:12 AM
Line 6 DL4 does it, but there's no "undo" if you screw up.
09-23-2011, 06:24 AM
Ogam- you are correct. My apologies to the OP. The M9's looper does what the OP is asking. I own both and have been using the M9 for my 'on the fly' loops.
09-23-2011, 07:15 AM
The Boss RC-3 will do instant overdubbing, although I don't know how well it would work for vocals. It is stereo, actually, so maybe you could route guitar through one side and vocals through the other.
corn husk bag
09-23-2011, 06:39 PM
Yep, Boomerang III, check YouTube.
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