What effect/effects are being used in this song?

[phishead5941]

So, I really dig the warbly sound on the intro of this Bethel tune "One Thing Remains." What effect do you guys think he is using? It's fairly subtle but I really like it. It almost sounds like a rotary effect but I'm not sure. Here is the song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwy5l5XnK24

[phishead5941]

Bump.

[amphead777]

Tough to tell. Very, very subtle. Some reverb at mixdown. Beats me!!

[UncleLarry]

A little modulated delay on the guitar. The "warble" is actually the 1/8th note D#-A#-E# staccato lick played by what sounds like a keyboard or a bass through a tremolo effect. The mix makes it sound like the guitar has the effect on it also, but I don't hear it when the guitar is alone in the track. Listen to the track at about 40 seconds and you can hear what I mean.

[L_Totti]

Delay.

[phishead5941]

Thanks guys!. Yes, it is very subtle and I'm not sure if it is the guitar or something else but on Forever and a Day there is some modulation, swirl, movement type sounds for sure. What do you think the effect is on the first lead part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-216MFASBDI. I want to purchase an effect that adds modulation and movement and this is the type of sound I'm wanting to achieve. The song is Forever and a Day from the Be Lifted High disc.

[5cent]

it sounds like a subtle trem/vibe combo that you could probably get pretty close to with the EHX Wiggler.

[phishead5941]

Thanks, any other suggestions.

[phishead5941]

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[Ncuab]

I'm able to somewhat get close to the tone with a tremolo and an analog delay:

tremolo @ 50% mix
analog delay @ 50% feedback & 45% mix.

I recently saw John Mark McMillan play and his guitarist James Duke was able to get some thick swirly atmospheric sounds. I think it was due to his RV5/Tap-a-Whirl and his DMM.

[Funky Monkey]

I'm hearing a lot of similarities to the live Sarah McLachlan releases.

Who is(are) the guitarist(s) in that first clip?

[Rock Steady]

sounds like delay/reverb

[Funky Monkey]

No doubt there is pitch vibrato happening. But there's a lot of "dry" signal right alongside it. I can't identify the exact effect, but could replicate it starting with a true vibrato or trying a univibe or heavy chorus.

[phishead5941]

I'm hearing a lot of similarities to the live Sarah McLachlan releases.

Who is(are) the guitarist(s) in that first clip?

Jeffrey Kunde is his name and he is the lead guitar player for Bethel church in redding, ca. He's also a studio musician.

[phishead5941]

I'm able to somewhat get close to the tone with a tremolo and an analog delay:

tremolo @ 50% mix
analog delay @ 50% feedback & 45% mix.

I recently saw John Mark McMillan play and his guitarist James Duke was able to get some thick swirly atmospheric sounds. I think it was due to his RV5/Tap-a-Whirl and his DMM.

I checked out some demos of the tap a whirl and it would definitely get me closer to where I want to be.

[Funky Monkey]

Jeffrey Kunde is his name and he is the lead guitar player for Bethel church in redding, ca. He's also a studio musician.

Wow! Seems like quite the gear guy. I think it's the White Falcon that made me think of Sarah McLachlan. Anyway, I can't see anything on his board that would obtain this effect. Maybe something in the Eventide Timefactor? I've not tried one. But it isn't just a "regular" Memory Man modulated delay sound, I'm certain of that.

A more recent list from just this week has him replacing the Timefactor with a Strymon Timeline and adding a Blue Sky Reverb. Might be something in one/both of those. I don't have any personal experience with either.

He actually seems quite accessible...I'd email him- I bet he'd reply.

[Funky Monkey]

Ok, last post...sorry...
Was reading through his replies in his blog. He keeps his Boss RV-5 on the Modulate mode, so I listened to some clips of that and I really think that's it. Search YouTube vids for the modulate setting...there are several.

[kev1n]

Mod delay?

[phishead5941]

I tried to find his email but I haven't been successful so far. I contacted my pastor because he knows Brian Johnson, the worship leader at Bethel. I'll let you all know what I find out. Here is a couple good demos of the tap a whirl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuK9l3pbHtc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3pkUJsmCE&feature=related

[phishead5941]

I just posted a question on his facebook fan page. We'll see if I get a response. I'll let you all know. Does anyone know if there is a tremolo pedal that gets close to the tap a whirl but at a lower price. It's kind of pricey around $300 new.

[phishead5941]

Unless, this isn't a comprehensive list his blog seems to indicate that it is probably some combo of a modulated delay (eventide timefactor), dmm, boss rv5, and the cusack. I'm probably going to look at purchasing a tremolo that can do things similar to the cusack or the cusack itself. Here is his gear as described on his blog http://jeffreykunde.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/my-gear/

[phishead5941]

Here is a recent picture of Jeff's pedalboard http://img.ly/6OPT He has added a strymon blue sky. I don't think he was using that when be lifted high was recorded. But, it is interesting none the less.

[Astro-Monkey]

yeah it sounds like delay, tremolo,quite some reverb and a touch pitch shifting (chorus/vibrato). The pitch shifting would probably be the modulated delay. but you already got that i guess.
Some overdrive in there to.. or just his amp. signal is just not that clean.

For the tremolo.. i've got a t-a-w, what are the features you want in your tremolo?

[phishead5941]

I finally found Jeff's email and he responded to my inquiry. Here is his response:
That swirl was done by using a memory boy deluxe with a micro pog in the effects loop of the MMB, and then controlled with a expression pedal. Then the Boss RV5 at the end of the chain to give it a nice spacy sound.

Mystery solved!

[Funky Monkey]

Wow- never would've guessed that! Thanks for following up!