What makes Pit Bulls aggressive?

[Jarrett]

Man, you're trying to talk reasonably in a pitbull thread... You're a brave and optimistic soul is all I can say...Yeah, I actually didnt read the rest of it before I posted. I just saw a Pit Bull thread and thought I would share my recent Pit Bull experience. I probably should have taken a look at the thread direction prior to that, hehe.

[stvnscott]

A quotation comes to mind: "Never argue with fools as spectators can't tell the difference."

Yeah. I came to that conclusion on Saturday. Definitely a true believer or two in this thread.

[Warnis]

Thanks for your deeply thoughtful and insightful response :D

Just to clarify, I don't think Pit Bulls are bad inherently, its just each breed of dog takes a certain type of owner capability, responsibility and knowledge. Pits need more than Dachshunds for example. .

yeah and so do Shepards, Rotty's, Boxers, Mastiffs, Bulldogs, Labradors, Danes, and many breeds of dog. kill 'em all!!!
It's up to the owner to be knowledgeable and responsible enough to know their capabilities as a dog owner

Jeebus... that just about covers everything, doesn't it? I mean if you are in a car accident... do you shoot the other driver... I mean, they should be knowledgeable and responsible enough to know the cars capabilities.

Bro... I hear what your saying... you would protect your own if necessary. that is all that really has to be said, whether be from a pit bull, a pekinese or the chupa cabre. I don't fault you, I'd be careful though... you run across someone as adamant as you. And by the looks of your AVI, you don't appear to be a "put the fear in you" looking type person, I could wrong.

[Jarrett]

I'd be careful though... you run across someone as adamant as you. And by the looks of your AVI, you don't appear to be a "put the fear in you" looking type person, I could wrong.As much I wish I wasn't a person that people are naturally frightened of, it seems that many times I am. I try to be as nice and friendly as possible to everyone I met, but I've had about 25 years of training to help me out in case things go a different way. The sad irony is I think that training is part of the reason I look menacing to others.

I mean if you are in a car accident... do you shoot the other driver... I mean, they should be knowledgeable and responsible enough to know the cars capabilities. If it was a Pit Bull driving, I would shoot first and ask questions later :)

[DC1]

If it was a Pit Bull driving, I would shoot first and ask questions later :)

One hit me last week!

Then slobbered all over my insurance card...


Dang!


dc

[plexistack]

Glad I could brighten your day :)
I'm quite familiar with dogs and can tell the difference. This wasn't playful behavior.
See previous statement.
I understand that sentiment. I would likely have a violent reaction if someone tried to harm my dog in my presence, but since it was a person, I wouldn't kill them unless I actually feared for my life or the life of my family. Of course, I wouldn't have a dog that attacked others in a public setting, so its a bit of a moot point for me.

Animals are different. I don't like to kill any animal, but if its a choice between letting a violent animal kill one of mine in front of me or killing the offending animal, I'll make it as quick and painless as I can.

I, me, my, me, I, I, me, me, I, my, me, me, I, I, I.

[Jarrett]

I, me, my, me, I, I, me, me, I, my, me, me, I, I, I.Point being? :)

[Hacksaw]

Nice!! a lot of drive-by statements! LOL.. so I just had to add mine! I wished for once people would address their thoughts. LOL never mind.. that wont happen. I'd rather be bit by a pitbull!

[Jetrow]

Nice!! a lot of drive-by statements! LOL.. so I just had to add mine! I wished for once people would address their thoughts. LOL never mind.. that wont happen. I'd rather be bit by a pitbull!

Haters gonna hate.
http://www.out-and-about-with-your-dog.com/images/pitbull-sitting-and-smiling-21493784.jpg

[The Last Rebel]

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[Hacksaw]

Yeaup. I see this has made it into the Dog food thread. LOL I see Stvnsctt is back, remind me to not buy another amp. :D

[Jetrow]

Yeaup. I see this has made it into the Dog food thread. LOL I see Stvnsctt is back, remind me to not buy another amp. :D

Lol! Those amps had it coming! It's the way the aggression is built right into them. You can't tell me any different! :rotflmao

[Hacksaw]

Lol! Those amps had it coming! It's the way the aggression is built right into them. You can't tell me any different! :rotflmao
:rotflmao


Bad azzzz!

[stvnscott]

Lol! Those amps had it coming! It's the way the aggression is built right into them. You can't tell me any different! :rotflmao

You are correct sir. They can be quite aggressive and it is built right into them. I've never seen one attack without provocation though.

[DaveG]

Haters gonna hate.
http://www.out-and-about-with-your-dog.com/images/pitbull-sitting-and-smiling-21493784.jpg


Yup, and so do the ignorant! ;)

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[Jetrow]

You are correct sir. They can be quite aggressive and it is built right into them. I've never seen one attack without provocation though.

They shouldn't allow those. They just snap! No provocation what so ever. I know for a fact. I saw it once. I hit that standby switch and then my boss just pulled the plug. :spit It was the only thing he could do. Imagine if a young folky or medieval strolling minstrel happened upon it and boom! Distortion all over the place. :omg

[stvnscott]

They shouldn't allow those. They just snap! No provocation what so ever. I know for a fact. I saw it once. I hit that standby switch and then my boss just pulled the plug. :spit It was the only thing he could do. Imagine if a young folky or medieval strolling minstrel happened upon it and boom! Distortion all over the place. :omg

That would be tragic indeed. Only people who know how to handle them should be allowed to own them. I mean, you can train any amplifier to be aggressive, but these poor amplifiers have been singled out and have a bad reputation they don't deserve. Someone clearly sent the wrong signals when that amplifier attacked that poor minstrel. He should have been able to read the signs. Or something. :bonk

[Jetrow]

In the end, it's people that ruin dogs. No just one breed, all breeds are susceptible to it. Even so called "top breeders" breeding for looks in the conformation ring have ruined several breeds who now are prone to health problems, some quite severe.

For those who dislike Pitbulls, I hope you find peace. To those who love them and all other breeds, treat them like the dogs they are first, and love them up after. They will reward you for it.;)

[Jetrow]

That would be tragic indeed. Only people who know how to handle them should be allowed to own them. I mean, you can train any amplifier to be aggressive, but these poor amplifiers have been singled out and have a bad reputation they don't deserve. Someone clearly sent the wrong signals when that amplifier attacked that poor minstrel. He should have been able to read the signs. Or something. :bonk

Or the manual.

[rob2001]

In the end, it's people that ruin dogs. No just one breed, all breeds are susceptible to it. Even so called "top breeders" breeding for looks in the conformation ring have ruined several breeds who now are prone to health problems, some quite severe.

For those who dislike Pitbulls, I hope you find peace. To those who love them and all other breeds, treat them like the dogs they are first, and love them up after. They will reward you for it.;)

Have you won this thread yet?? You're jaws are pretty locked on to it and it's dead....you should release....:D

[Warnis]

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[bluesjunior]

That would be tragic indeed. Only people who know how to handle them should be allowed to own them. I mean, you can train any amplifier to be aggressive, but these poor amplifiers have been singled out and have a bad reputation they don't deserve. Someone clearly sent the wrong signals when that amplifier attacked that poor minstrel. He should have been able to read the signs. Or something. :bonk
They're not aggressive really, they are just Dum(ble)

[Hacksaw]

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[Jetrow]

Have you won this thread yet?? You're jaws are pretty locked on to it and it's dead....you should release....:D

It's just my nature.;)

[Hacksaw]

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[EricPeterson]

More dog pictures, they are saving this thread.

[DrSax]

But accept the fact that people will always be wary of your dog for pretty rational reasons.

Like, for example, the three separate occasions my dog (leashed) was lunged at in my community were all german shepherds. Twice they came out of nowhere off their leashes.

A friend got a german shepherd puppy a while ago and he and my dog play wonderfully together, the puppy is being trained and exposed to other dogs properly. I definitely notice an "alpha male" trait in him, but he's a sweetie.

[Jetrow]

http://www.ashevillenow.com/files/picture/dog_in_guitar_case363.jpg

[Hacksaw]

http://www.guitarstudio.tv/puppy/MVC-765F.JPG

[jonleecourage]

I've met lots of pits and never met one that acted in an aggressive way. Have however met many other aggressive dogs of other breeds. Of course, I'm not hanging around the ghetto or trailer park or doing drug deals, where a lot of the misconception is generated. I am however at suburban dog parks a lot. It's a true shame that so many believe the media hype. 30 years ago it was Dobies, 20 years ago it was Rotts, now it's pits. Do people train bad natured dogs to look tough? Sure. they're idiots. Is it a breed trait, no. That's ridiculous. It's like saying someone of such and such persuasion is surely greedy, or good at math, or violent - its genetic. We're beyond that for humans (well at least most of us are), now move past it for dogs.

I have a pit mix, she is amazing. My dachshund is far nastier.

Pits once - not long ago - were considered America's Dog. For good reason.

[Hacksaw]

I have a pit mix, she is amazing. My dachshund is far nastier.

Pits once - not long ago - were considered America's Dog. For good reason.

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/funny-dog-pictures-weenie-dog.jpg



All in fun :)

[bigdaddy]

are we sure it isn't all the grain in their diets?

[Pietro]

are we sure it isn't all the grain in their diets?

This is the solution. All the bad dogs are constipated...

I will paypal 5 dollars to the first (and only the first) person who makes the above statement their signature...

(just kidding... you can't have my @#$%ing money, dudes...)

[DrSax]

http://www.guitarstudio.tv/puppy/MVC-765F.JPG

Wow, looks alot like mine!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o262/drsax_2006/IMG_2666.jpg

[Hacksaw]

Wow, looks alot like mine!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o262/drsax_2006/IMG_2666.jpg

SURE DOES!! Cute pup! :)

Here is mine with her toy, as I see your pup has one as well! Must be a boy.

http://www.guitarstudio.tv/puppy/MVC-763F.JPG

[DaveG]

More dog pictures, they are saving this thread.

My "ticking time bombs"... :D

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[DrSax]

SURE DOES!! Cute pup! :)

Here is mine with her toy, as I see your pup has one as well! Must be a boy.

http://www.guitarstudio.tv/puppy/MVC-763F.JPG

Girl! Lulu is her name.

Here she is snoozing....

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[Jetrow]

Takin' one right in the ear! Mush...
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[XmasTree]

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This was SUPER FUNNY

but you gotta get real, they're very dangerous and you don't have control even though you 'think you do'
..it's also an enormously dumb "FAD" to own one - it does not make you cool or more of a man
Get real

Also,
the pics are cute

[Jetrow]

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy339/Oxe/dogfort.jpg

[The Last Rebel]

Why are these so damn funny?!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iOhkx0CfjDE/TQeovZnQtkI/AAAAAAAAAKw/8XA6V_eymso/s400/gYCka.jpg

[steve108819]

This was SUPER FUNNY

they're very dangerous and you don't have control even though you 'think you do'
..it's also an enormously dumb "FAD" to own one - it does not make you cool or more of a man
Get real


Funny that I got slammed for saying less than this.

[Gibson 1964]

I own an Olde English Bulldogge, which is not a pit, or even that close. Mine is stronger, shorter, bulkier and really doesn't look similar. She is a tough little cookie, but gentle as can be. The way some people attack owners of bully type dogs is insane. Some people are completely hostile to me and my girl, but she is a gentle pup whose idea of aggression is generally sticking her head under your hand to get you to pet her.

Since owning her, I have really become aware of the wonderfulness and horrors of the pitbull. The horror is generally what a lot of these dogs live through. I grew up around a lot of low income folks who kept pitties chained and were not kind to their dogs.

I am not going to own a pit. I prefer a dog that is not quite as fast because I don't feel I am active enough for a pit. Also the homeowners insurance is insane. But mostly, it is because I have bad knees, and I feel like a dog like that needs a lot of running.

What gets me is most people have no clue what a pit looks like, and if you look into pitbull attacks, pitbull is a catchall media term for whatever dog injured someone regardless of breed. However, pitbulls and OEBs I think do require an owner who has a clue about dogs. They require a bit of knowledge about handling. Also, they are not dummies. You have to watch out, my doggie outsmarts me regularly.

[fritferret]

people turn good dogs bad.

[Peppy]

I own an Olde English Bulldogge, which is not a pit, or even that close. Mine is stronger, shorter, bulkier and really doesn't look similar. She is a tough little cookie, but gentle as can be. The way some people attack owners of bully type dogs is insane. Some people are completely hostile to me and my girl, but she is a gentle pup whose idea of aggression is generally sticking her head under your hand to get you to pet her.


I am not going to own a pit. I prefer a dog that is not quite as fast because I don't feel I am active enough for a pit. Also the homeowners insurance is insane. But mostly, it is because I have bad knees, and I feel like a dog like that needs a lot of running.

Some good points. Yes, so-called "bully" breeds get lumped in with pit pit bulls on a regular basis. This even includes boxers and smaller mastiff-type dogs. More specifically, the much smaller Staffordshire bull terriers (not American Staffordshire terriers) and totally different bull terriers get lumped in with pit bulls.

I will never own a pit bull either...again. I had both a pit bull and and a pit bull/bull terrier cross. However, my reason is in addition to yours. I had mine nearly thirty years ago, my pit bull was a dog I had found hanging around my work. With the ensuing decades of poor breeding (and the ever-increasingly litigious America) for me owning a pit bull would not be a wise choice. Although I am in great shape for my age, I also don't feel like running too much!

[Peppy]

people turn good dogs bad.

I wish that were solely the case. Unfortunately, enough dogs, no matter how good their training/upbringing, and no matter how solid of a lineage, can "turn bad". With certain over-popular breeds and the usual attendant poor breeding that accompanies said popularity, the chance for similar negative behavioral outcomes increases thusly.

[DaveG]

but you gotta get real, they're very dangerous and you don't have control even though you 'think you do'



:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Seniorspike]

I'm sure Pit Bulls can be great companion pets, even great family pets, although I've never owned one. But in my experience they are just not that trustworthy around other dogs. For me it's just as simple as that. Any Pit could beat the sheet out of my Boston Terrier, so I just leave the bark park when they are there. Not to imply that I am a Pit-basher.

[tiktok]

I always see these advertised as "blue nose" "red nose" "full blooded this" and "full blooded that".
My question is isn't it their brain that makes them mean?
Shouldn't they say "sane" and "insane"
And what are these owners so afraid of that they need such a mean dog?

Bad owners.

My experience is that pitbulls are generally fine with people, less so with other dogs. If they go for your dog, and you try to intervene, things can go downhill, but no more so then with any comparably sized dog with the same upbringing. One of my co-workers works with a pit bull rescue organization, and she's brought umpteen foster pit bulls INTO OUR OFFICE, and we never had a problem with them.

Not all pitbull owners are assholes, but assholes are magnetically drawn to pitbulls.

[Hogan/Guitars]

I regularily take my dogs to an off leash park and most owners and dogs are great to mingle with,but there are some aggressive dogs (of any breed) that have a crappy owners -which they shouldn't be at the park but come anyway.

Dogs will be dogs but its the bully and bait breeds that make other dog owners uncomfortable. We all know that if a Dachshund or Lab or even a German Shepherd will snarl or what have you if another dog gets in its face. The "tuff" breeds are too proficient at dog on dog aggression and have no place in a civilized free roam park where there are too many percieved threats for it.

[cram]

What makes them aggressive???

Unicorn Poo.

Do NOT feed it to them. I repeat: DO NOT FEED.

Phew.. That was close.

[whiteop]

Oh good, it had been a little while since the last pit bull thread.

The honest answer? Dumb owners. A bad owner can make any dog agressive, that sort of thing gets exacerbated when you have a big, strong dog with a high prey drive that seems to attract meth-addicted white trash.

Oh, and in before tough-guy posturing.

Used to have a black friend that would treat his PB without much love. Would leave him out on a chain even in the dead of winter and beat him occasionally to make him meaner. I don't think all black people are dog beaters and dont judge them all by his actions...

[JamesT]

I will always believe in genetics. I believe the mean ones are bred and nice ones are not. After awhile they get meaner and meaner...

Slam me if you want I don't care. I have a right to my opinion and always will. I had a chow/PB mix and got attacked by it. Wish I could have killed it, but the owner was an A8- subsidised housing and took it away for couple weeks so animal control could not get it then it came back I moved.

Nasty is nasty. I wold uthanise and outlaw the breed. But that is me YMMV :)

[Hacksaw]

I will always believe in genetics. I believe the mean ones are bred and nice ones are not. After awhile they get meaner and meaner...

Slam me if you want I don't care. I have a right to my opinion and always will. I had a chow/PB mix and got attacked by it. Wish I could have killed it, but the owner was an A8- subsidised housing and took it away for couple weeks so animal control could not get it then it came back I moved.

Nasty is nasty. I wold uthanise and outlaw the breed. But that is me YMMV :)

Which breed, The pit or the chow :D

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Humans cause more grief.. some still hit each other on the heads with clubs..

[Whiskeyrebel]

I only have known a few pit bulls well, and those ones were raised as pets. They were gentle, friendly dogs. But I see too many people with obvious chips on their shoulders strutting around with those dogs like they are brandishing them. My approach to a pit will be totally different if I see it with a relaxed, cheerful family vs if I see it with some guy who looks like he's scanning for any excuse to prove what a hardass he is.

[Gibson 1964]

I regularily take my dogs to an off leash park and most owners and dogs are great to mingle with,but there are some aggressive dogs (of any breed) that have a crappy owners -which they shouldn't be at the park but come anyway.

Dogs will be dogs but its the bully and bait breeds that make other dog owners uncomfortable. We all know that if a Dachshund or Lab or even a German Shepherd will snarl or what have you if another dog gets in its face. The "tuff" breeds are too proficient at dog on dog aggression and have no place in a civilized free roam park where there are too many percieved threats for it.

In my experience German shepherds are amongst the most aggresive breed I have encountered as a whole. In general, the pits I have met are more laid back than the GSDs. Hate to break it to you, but those are a tuff breed. My doggie could knock down pretty much anything that came at her, but unless it started something if a dog gets in her space, she hides behind my legs, although she would defend my wife to the death.

I would say probably the most aggressive dogs I have met are chihuahuas and dachshunds. Owners let them get away with murder.

If another dog gets in my dog's face she will back away. If she feels her people are threatened she will growl. But only then. Unless she sees an owl, she hates owls and growls at them without provocation.

[EADGBE]

Probably genes.

[Stratm69]

Dogs aren't aggressive. People make them aggressive.

[Shake]

Letting them play violent video games.

[SideBMusic]

Ritalin?

[JamesT]

Which breed, The pit or the chow :D

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Humans cause more grief.. some still hit each other on the heads with clubs..
depending on owner either or both :):sarcasm

[Bunn]

Dogs aren't aggressive. People make them aggressive.

Not to step on toes BUT I bought a Pit once and was told he was gonna be a handful and needed to be kept on a leash at ALL times. I said "sure thing man, its all in how you raise them ......"

Boy was I wrong ...... My wife, small daughter and I loved that dog to death but dag on it it was the meanest Pit I have ever been owned. No matter what, if it moved, it was getting attacked, period. and it was nasty, but to us he was fine.Im sure he was bred to be that way in retrospect. I couldnt keep him around though he was to much of a liability. A friend of mine whom owns many Pits agreed to take him and later said WOW !!

My basset hound, i could beat her daily (not that i would or do) and she would honestly roll over and take it ....... :huh

People can make dogs aggressive i will agree, but some dogs, like people are just nutz

[critter74]

Pit Bulls are aggressive because people have made them aggressive.

The reason people who want mean dogs get Pit Bulls is because they have very malleable personalities. In short, they will become what you make them. Of course some dogs are just "bad". But that is any breed.

Many dogs have a core personality and are not what we call aggressive by nature. Of course they can be made that way, anything can, but its more of a concerted effort.

The great and bad thing about a Pit Bull is that they are extremely obedient. They also have very, very malleable personalities. More so than many other dogs. Pit Bulls can make fantastic family dogs. And I would venture to say most of them are very endearing and sweet creatures. They want and crave acceptance of their owners.

Unfortunately because of their personality able to be formed so easily, they can be taught to be ferocious and very dangerous. And due to genetics, they have the body build to back it up. And unfortunately they are really hard to redeem once they have been trained to be aggressive. Many times they need to be put down. Sometimes they can be redeemed. But believe it or not, it pretty much ends up being something you have to work with them on the rest of their lives. They do not unlearn easy. There are rescue programs that deal specifically with Pit Bulls that have been raised to be aggressive. Many times if you adopt from these places, you have to keep going to their training and class to keep the dog from reverting back. It is a labor of love…

In a loving and positive situation a Pit Bull is no more likely to be aggressive than any other dog. they are protective of their "group" and will protect what they view to be their family when they think its under a hostile situation.

The media, the thug mentality and drug dealers/gangster, want to be ballers have unfortunately all helped in giving these dogs a bad name.

And have no doubt, a Pit Bull trained to be dangerous, is about as dangerous as it gets.

[pwrightmd]

Agreed 100% on all counts. My father in law's miniature dachsunds actually gang up on my pitbull and she tries to just stay away from them. The only time I've ever seen her snap at another dog was when all four of them started nipping her in the snout and even then she just growled and nipped at them to warn them to stay away.

In my experience German shepherds are amongst the most aggresive breed I have encountered as a whole. In general, the pits I have met are more laid back than the GSDs. Hate to break it to you, but those are a tuff breed. My doggie could knock down pretty much anything that came at her, but unless it started something if a dog gets in her space, she hides behind my legs, although she would defend my wife to the death.

I would say probably the most aggressive dogs I have met are chihuahuas and dachshunds. Owners let them get away with murder.

If another dog gets in my dog's face she will back away. If she feels her people are threatened she will growl. But only then. Unless she sees an owl, she hates owls and growls at them without provocation.

[pwrightmd]

Merry Christmas to all. In the spirit of the season - I thought I'd post these pics from this morning of my Pitbull Piglet and her favorite little girl - my daughter Nicole.

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[S.W.Erdnase]

That's great. Make sure you never leave them alone together.

[sfarnell]

I will always believe in genetics. I believe the mean ones are bred and nice ones are not. After awhile they get meaner and meaner...

Slam me if you want I don't care. I have a right to my opinion and always will. I had a chow/PB mix and got attacked by it. Wish I could have killed it, but the owner was an A8- subsidised housing and took it away for couple weeks so animal control could not get it then it came back I moved.

Nasty is nasty. I wold uthanise and outlaw the breed. But that is me YMMV :)

a chow is much more aggressive than a pit. How do you know that the dog that attacked you wasn't mistreated, abused, or otherwise trained to be aggressive?

[sfarnell]

Meet Stella Blue, our new lab/pit mix puppy. She's as sweet as can be. No aggression in her future...I hope.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/Juliaspics349.jpg

[Floyd Eye]

What makes Pitbulls agressive? Stupid Pitbull owners. Mine is a big ol' strong bastard and unless you are a cat or a squirrel, he would NEVER dream of being aggressive. He was 7 or 8 when I got him and my older Golden Retriever and him are best buds.

[GCDEF]

I was at the dog park yesterday. There was a pit bull there that was getting along fine for about 45 minutes then without warning or provocation that I could see, it turned on another dog to the point that it took the owners of both dogs to break it up. A woman that was there told me her dog was attacked by two pits the day before at another park, which is why she was at this park instead.

I know people like to blame the owners, but whenever there's a really aggressive fight its invariably a pit bull or a Rottweiller.

[Polynitro]

"They're not!"
-lazy British Bulldog
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[JamesT]

a chow is much more aggressive than a pit. How do you know that the dog that attacked you wasn't mistreated, abused, or otherwise trained to be aggressive?
i had known it for 5 years. never outside except for a walk. lived life of a fat inside cat.

[JamesT]

They are bred to be mean. It is genetics I have heard that from several vets. They say get rid of all of them. So I trust vets.

[Polynitro]

They are bred to be mean. It is genetics I have heard that from several vets. They say get rid of all of them. So I trust vets.

those vets are idiots. Selective breeding works both ways: you can breed out traits just as easy as you can breed for them.

The English Bulldog is a perfect example. They used to be bred to fight ,now they are the biggest wimps in the dog world.

[JackButler]

JUst look how aggressive mine is!

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[JamesT]

Yes selective breeding goes both ways but vets are not idiots. They had same under grasd school as doctors- chemistry or biology and 4 years of vet school.

But in recent years they were bred to be mean as the vets said and they said extermonate all pitt bulls. What they told me- 3 vets. One has a masters in vets and is a professor at a vet school.

[mge80]

Yes selective breeding goes both ways but vets are not idiots. They had same under grasd school as doctors- chemistry or biology and 4 years of vet school.

But in recent years they were bred to be mean as the vets said and they said extermonate all pitt bulls. What they told me- 3 vets. One has a masters in vets and is a professor at a vet school.

Which all means exactly nothing. Unless they are Veterinary Behaviorists, they likely know no more on the subject than the average Joe on the street. Vets traditionally get very little training and therefore have very little knowledge on this subject. Same with nutrition. It's not what they study and not what they know. Some of the absolute worst advice on both of these subjects come from the vet on the corner who is a whiz at giving vaccinations or doing spay/neuter surgery, but knows very little about behavior, genetics or nutrition. Unless they are specialists in this field.

A "masters in vets". What the hell is that, by the way?:huh:bonk

[JamesT]

Hmm considering you are such an expert on dogs I would have thought you knew that.

After 4 years in Vet school you get a doctors in veteranary science so you can treat dogs or other animals. If you go to school for 2 more years after that then you get a Masters and you can be a professor at a vet school. Another year or 2 and you can get a PHD in Vet science.

I stick by it euthanise all pitt bulls and yes i knw a dog behaviorist that says the same thing. Vets, behaviorists, lawyers agree that told me euthanise all.

The vets treated dogs attacted by bit bulls, behaviorist could not retrain them , and lawyers won settlements against owners for attacking other dogs and people.

[pwrightmd]

That's great. Make sure you never leave them alone together.

I would never leave my children alone with ANY dog - regardless of breed.

Case in point - here's a story of a Chihuahua attack.

http://www.2keller.com/news/chihuahua-attacks-boy-in-springfield-township-in-20081030.cfm

Also - my dog is well trained to be submissive to every person in the household including my daughter.

[Polynitro]

Hmm considering you are such an expert on dogs I would have thought you knew that.

After 4 years in Vet school you get a doctors in veteranary science so you can treat dogs or other animals. If you go to school for 2 more years after that then you get a Masters and you can be a professor at a vet school. Another year or 2 and you can get a PHD in Vet science.

I stick by it euthanise all pitt bulls and yes i knw a dog behaviorist that says the same thing. Vets, behaviorists, lawyers agree that told me euthanise all.

The vets treated dogs attacted by bit bulls, behaviorist could not retrain them , and lawyers won settlements against owners for attacking other dogs and people.

we're not talking about Lamarck genetics, obviously a dog that has attacked people should not be bred. But to destroy all pit bulls because many were bred for aggression is pretty silly. Should we expand that to all terrier breeds?

just breed the ones that arent aggrerssive.

[Polynitro]

thats a ticking time bomb right there. Burn it!!!!

JUst look how aggressive mine is!

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[Bloody Holly]

I MEAN NO OFFENSE TO PB OWNERS.
wHT MAKES THEM MEAN?
Sure you do. By asking an intentionally provocative question based on an incorrect premise that's a dead giveaway for your bias. By the way, Merry Christmas! :D

[sessojb]

Oh good, it had been a little while since the last pit bull thread.

The honest answer? Dumb owners. A bad owner can make any dog agressive, that sort of thing gets exacerbated when you have a big, strong dog with a high prey drive that seems to attract meth-addicted white trash.

Oh, and in before tough-guy posturing.

:agree

[JamesT]

That is what they said. I am repeating them. We all have our opinions and I have never seen anyone's opinion changed here.

I have no problem with only breeding the nice ones in fact I asked 2 of the 5 that question, but they said you can never just do that so all should be euthanised. :)

[JackButler]

thats a ticking time bomb right there. Burn it!!!!

Ha ha!
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[Down and Out in NYC]

I have know idea what makes em so aggressive.
Don't know what makes em so beautiful, intelligent
or loyal either.

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[S.W.Erdnase]

I would never leave my children alone with ANY dog - regardless of breed.

Good.

[Inspector 71]

They could selectively breed the more docile ones. They would have a paper trail for legal reasons.

[jhfire]

Mean dogs. Here in South Florida they're all a by-product of their owners. Me and the wife were attacked by two one day while walking my dog. I ended up tossing and securing my small dog inside a trash bin until the dumbass owner came outside and got his dogs. They were ready to tear my dog apart. Not much love for them over here.

[JackButler]

I simply love the breed and offshoot breeds of them. I've had all sorts of animals for over 40 years, by far these are the best companions I've had.

I will say, due to media, popularity, and tough guy syndrome, it is very sad that they are being overbred and their population is growing when I wish it weren't. So many sad cases of abuse and so forth due to their hyped nature per the media. Now only if owners would have to go through a background check...doubt you'd ever see any APBT's in the media for any sort of violence.
Judge the deed.

[mc5nrg]

Human beings.