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niersbach
08-25-2005, 04:06 PM
Well guys

I posted this on the BaM forum as I was in the process of aquiring the Driskill. A very good friend of mine actually did a google search for Driskill and came across one for sale at a dealership in Houston.

http://www.rahanguitars.com/proddetail.asp?id=257

I called the guy up, verified it was still available (unbeleiveably it had been on his site for a few weeks and he had reveived quite a few calls but none jumped on it), I took about 20 minutes to verify that the guitar was in fact legit and plunked down the cash for it. Its been an anxiety filled 2 days waiting for it to arrive, but the 5 years of dreaming of owning one of these guitars is over!! And I can say it was well worth the wait!

I was amazed with the similarities with the Diablo and my McNaught Pheonix, so much so that I took the pictures of them together. I am still in sort of shock that this guitar is currently in my home. When I had posted that I bought the guitar Joe actually got a hold of me and we spent a little time talking about the guitar before it got here. He was a bit amazed that the original owner let it go also as in his own words its one of the top 4 guitars he has ever built. The tiger inlay is just amazing!!!

Anyhow, here is a pic of the guitar in my front yard with my Pheonix.





http://www.niersbach.org/driskillpheonix2.jpg

clarkram
08-25-2005, 04:36 PM
damn, that is amazing (the similarities in body shape). Somebody want tubular quilt? Very nice. I remember when Joe was working on that tiger inlay. Congrats & enjoy.

Clark

petrucci
08-25-2005, 05:33 PM
So similar and yet very diffrent. You can really see who much nicer, unique and more sophisticated (in my opinion anyway) the carve is on the Driskill than the McNaught.

Its funny to see a guitar of the staus of Mcnaught made to look average! Again, just my humble opinion.

mitch
08-25-2005, 05:40 PM
I don't know, I own a few McNaughts, and I really couldn't give 2 sh*ts about whichone looks better .....they are some of the BEST PLAYING/SOUNDING guitars I have ever played.... I think they are BOTH beautiful instruments, by the way. The Pheonix is a cool looking guitar, and so is the Diablo... It seems as if great minds think alike..................................

dirk nixon
08-25-2005, 08:22 PM
If I could reach into that picture and play one, I would grab the Driskill first. :cool:

Yossi
08-25-2005, 09:53 PM
Congratulations, that is quite a find!

I thank you for posting the picture. I have to vicariously live with the lucky folk that get their Driskills, one way or the other, until I get mine.

Play it and enjoy!

Yossi

dfarrar
08-26-2005, 03:18 AM
Great score Bill!! How does it sound??

niersbach
08-26-2005, 05:18 AM
Originally posted by fewmm
Great score Bill!! How does it sound??

Hey Dennis

Well to be honest, sound wise, its really not much different than my McNaught Singlecut with the same pickups in it. the Rio pups sound a bit muddy to me. I have been playing it through my Splawn Pro Mod and its a very versatile guitar to say the least. Playability wise, the thing is the easiest guitar to play I have ever touched (but this is the first unfinished neck I have ever played too, so I dont know how fair that is) Right now I would say that my favorite sounding guitars that I own are still my 2 McNaughts with the Wagner pups in them(I have one with Darkbursts and one with Black Magics). The McNuggets are definitely a lot more resonant than the Driskill is, but I think this is due to the different neck/heel design. I mean unplugged the McNaughts are by far and away better sounding, ring much louder, etc... Now, asthetics wise, the Driskill blows everything I have ever seen completely out of the water. I cant even begin to explain how thick this maple top is (its quite literally about an inch thick!!) and the amount of carving done to the top. It is just absolutely beautiful and the inlay on it is just astounding. Also the neck on it is a different shape compared to everything else I have ever owned. It is a bit thinner than all mine and not as round, and to be honest I really like it very much. We will see what shape I prefer as time goes on as its just too early to tell which I like better.

So at this point I would say the Driskill kills in some area's but the McNaught does in others. I am no luthier for sure, but I would say that the McNaught neck design is probably better than the neck design on the Driskill and that is what makes them so much more resonant. I would also say that the amount of work that goes into making a Driskill top makes the McNaught look like a production guitar, it is just a crazy amount of carving done to the top of this thing. Soundwise, I would bet I can change pups around and make any guitar I currently own my favorite sound just by swapping my favorite pups into that particular guitar, I mean at this point I am still just totally amazed by the Wagner darkburst pups, and I will more than likely grab a set to put into the Driskill. I know that Joe likes the fact that everything in his guitar is straight from Texas, but I really think that I will personally like the guitar better with a pup change so I will be socking away the overtime checks as fast as I can to replace what I stole from the family savings and as soon as its done I will be calling Jim for a new set of pups. Its not that I dont like the Rio's, its that I like the wagners more.

Ultimately IMHO a Driskill body with a McNaught neck and an over the top Thorn inlay with wagner pups would be the greatest guitar built on the planet....how is that for a politically correct answer??? :D At least its an honest one too...LOL

eric102673
08-26-2005, 08:00 AM
Wow, those are both very sweet looking guitfiddles. It is striking how similar the two shapes are, but how different they are as well.

It makes me think back to the first time I saw one of Joes guitars in person. Before that moment a few years ago I was really turned off by the pointiness of the shape. When I saw one in person though it really looked very cool. Much rounder and more friendly in person, and the shape ballanced beautifully on a strap.

It's still not a guitar I'd choose to play because as beautiful as all that carved maple is I can't hang with that much of it. Even still, I have a real respect and fondness for the shape. Very sculptural and Joe really digs what he does and you can see how much of himself is in each and every one.

I just noticed something looking at the picture of them. On the Driskill is the pickup angled for tonal reasons? I'd almost think it was just the angle of the photo but it still seems angled in relation to the bridge.

-e.

niersbach
08-26-2005, 08:02 AM
Maybe I am not using the term "muddy" in the right context. Maybe I should say a bit "darker" than the wagners. I had thought that the Rio's were the best I had ever heard until I put the DB's in the P90 guitar that Mike had sold me. THey just ring with such clarity that its astounding. I really dont have the vocabulary to be able to explain it properly. It could also all be in my head too, since my friend that lives down the street from me says that my SC with the Rio's is by far and away the best sounding guitar I own (he hasnt tried the Diablo yet, but he will this weekend) He is a professional gigging musician so he has a much more rounded opinion than I would have considering I have only been playing for something like 4 years now. :D I am only saying what I feel I hear in my head (kind of all that matters really right...LOL) so others opinions very well may be completely different. Our buddy Adam said that he liked the Rio's more than the wagners and on top of that he said the neck pup in his Driskill was the best sounding neck pup he ever heard....when he took it out of the guitar to find out what it was...well it turned out to be a Rio bridge pickup!! LOL So I am sure that every single person who plays probably hears something totally different tonally.

Anyhow Dennis, I will be up Mikes way hopefully in a few months and maybe I can swing by your place on my way up there and let you give this thing a test drive....or if you are ever down this way you are definitely welcome to swing on through!!

dfarrar
08-26-2005, 08:06 AM
That would be great! Shoot me an e mail and I will give you my numbers. Maybe the timing will be right and my band will be playing. We could always accomodate you for the night and maybe get you on stage to play a couple:eek: !!

niersbach
08-26-2005, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by eric102673


I just noticed something looking at the picture of them. On the Driskill is the pickup angled for tonal reasons? I'd almost think it was just the angle of the photo but it still seems angled in relation to the bridge.

-e.

Wow...you are right...its canted a bit. Around an 1/8 of an inch higher on the right side compared to the left....not sure if it was intentional or if "slacker" (Joes CNC machine) had one too many beers the night he cut this....LOL I'll have to ask Joe.


Hmmmm in looking at his site I dont see any other pups canted like this so it looks like mine may be a defect...not sure how it happened since I would guess that its all done on the CNC and since the neck one is fine the bridge one should be also unless they were cut at different times.

petrucci
08-26-2005, 08:34 AM
I got to see the Driskill Adam had and I believe it had a Rio BBQ pup or something in the neck but it was a bridge pickup. It sounded sweet as hell in there and I think he kept that pup for another guitar.

In general though, I am pretty sure he prefers PRS pickups to all others.
I personally prefer Wagners best and am mixed on liking Rio's.

snoopy1@isoc.ne
08-26-2005, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by fewmm
That would be great! Shoot me an e mail and I will give you my numbers. Maybe the timing will be right and my band will be playing. We could always accomodate you for the night and maybe get you on stage to play a couple:eek: !!


Hey Dennis you should come up to and hang out. Mike

dfarrar
08-26-2005, 11:45 AM
I sure would like to Mike! Let me know when the date is!! I could use a good guitar lesson from you guys!!:dude

DrPCR
08-26-2005, 01:30 PM
Congrats Bill, you got a killer guitar for a killer price. Play the heck out of it.

I hate driskills, the are the worse...

cause they have spoiled me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/drpcr/forsale/driskilltrio.jpg

John Bell
08-26-2005, 01:51 PM
Geeeeeeeez....where these guys getting these tops?

niersbach
08-26-2005, 01:53 PM
Yeah William

I spent about 2 hours talking to Joe about it. He emailed me right after he found out I had bought it. THe one I got was built pretty much right along with yours. They sat side by side through the entire build process so you probably played mine in your visits out there.

DrPCR
08-26-2005, 02:38 PM
Hi Bill, yeah I played it, I loved the coco neck on it. I saw the inlay pieces when it was.. well pieces! You're lucky I was on vacation the past 3 wks, or I would have scooped it up for myself ;)

Yossi
08-26-2005, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by DrPCR
Congrats Bill, you got a killer guitar for a killer price. Play the heck out of it.

I hate driskills, the are the worse...

cause they have spoiled me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/drpcr/forsale/driskilltrio.jpg

DrPCR, How do all three of your Driskills compare to each other?
If you have aready answered that question then could you post the link to that post.

Thanks,

Yossi

fuzzyguitars
08-27-2005, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by fewmm
Interesting comparison....When I went through my "McNaught" phase it seemed they had a certain sterile quality to them. The notes just didnt bloom like they do on a good les paul. Maybe I was just expecting them to be the ultimate les paul. The two I owned also had a buzzy character to them that I couldnt get past. I loved the feel of the neck and the asthetics were second to none. I guess it just comes down to what you prefer and what works for you. Dave and Dave are fantastic people and take tremendous pride in their work.

The Rio Grandes that were in my McNaught Singlecut were far from muddy. At the time I was using a Bogner Shiva. All of the Bogners I have owned (including the XTC I have now) are very rich in the mids. The Rio Grandes seemed very strong in the mids as well and just didnt play well with the Bogners for what I was looking for. But they were a very articulate pickup. Again...to each his own!

Regardless, I would love to check out a Driskill someday. It sounds like you have really rounded out your collection nicely and I hope they serve you well! Enjoy!!:dude

WOW! Finally someone had the same experience with the McNaughts as I did. I played so many of them hoping for the the mojo. The build quaility , and aesthtics are really second to none.

I just didnt like the way they sounded or played.

The Bloom for me was not there, and sterile was the adjective that I would use as well. I played all 6 at wild west guitars and then I picked up a Baker Crucible and went "aaaahhh" it felt and sounded right and had the bloom and mojo. Just not as pretty imho!

petrucci
08-27-2005, 09:56 AM
I agree with you guys 100%. I have owned 4 McNaughts always hoping for that mojo as well and it just has never been there. They are stunning looking and have top notch build quality though.

I have found the "mojo" I was looking for with Heatley, Driskill, JET and PRS though to varying degrees of course.

snoopy1@isoc.ne
08-27-2005, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by fewmm
I am back to the tried and true strat and Les Paul combination. If I cant find it with those two guitars....its my own fault!!
I agree too. I have one of the best Mcnaughts driskill and a Thorn on its way but when I'm on stage it is my Ernie Ball rosewood neck and my EB Axis Dave Mansel and Dave Mcnaught did one of the best guitars for me on a very very custom order and they went way out of there way for me and it is AWESOME thumbs up on my Sea Turtles.

niersbach
08-27-2005, 05:11 PM
On the McNaughts I am sure its just a matter of tate, because every person I have ever let play my white limba one has sworn they would steal it from me if given the opportunity. To me notes just leap off of that guitar. I like my strat very much but it isnt in the same league as my McNaughts. I never really liked the LP's although I have only played a very few of them. I liked both my PRS more than I liked my buddies LP. Although, after talking to Mike on anumber of occasions, if given the opportunity I would love to give an elegant a whirl.

phoenix
08-28-2005, 08:47 AM
Thats great to hear some good feedback on McNaughts. I wish every small builder well. The two double diamonds, Phoenix and Orions that I had were some of the most lifeless, shrill, mojoless guitars I have ever experienced. Everyone who tried them hated them thus they are still making the rounds. Pro players, even a McNaught dealer said so. His quote summed it up nicely. "Great woodworker, but obviously not a guitar player." That hurt as I had dropped over 12K on them. God I so wanted to love them forever. The moonscape inlay was awesome. Hopefully I am the only one who got duds. steve

Scott Peterson
08-28-2005, 09:28 AM
Awesome; and they are BOTH awesome to look at. Wow.