11 Rack with non-Digidesign DAW

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  1. jguss

    jguss Supporting Member

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    Does anyone know conclusively whether Eleven Rack will work with Cubase, Logic, etc.? I'd imagine you'd lose the embedded patch settings, but I'm wondering about the straight guitar signal for reamping etc.
     
  2. suckamc

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    I'm gonna give you a bump
     
  3. Burgs

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    I'm a Logic person and Avid (Australia) gave me an Eleven Rack to test. I have had it for a week and have to say that it's pretty damn cool.

    With Logic though, the USB stream only spits out the dry signal (guitar into guitar input) - it seems to bypass the DSP. You can monitor with DSP, but the processed audio won't go up the USB stream, or at least I couldn't get it to. From what I can tell, the only way to route the modeling in a DAW apart from Pro Tools would be to feed separate outputs (ie. not the USB) into other inputs (going to Logic or whatever). This didn't impress me much although I can understand the business reasoning behind it. I did, however, try it with Pro Tools 8 LE 8.01 on my MacBook Pro running 10.6.1 and it was a joy. In fact, it even turned my hair around a little and made me want to investigate PT a little more closely; something I've not done for years.

    I think David Torn has broached the Eleven Rack/foreign DAW issue elsewhere on these boards, as he has one as well. Unfortunately I haven't got a clue where said post/thread might be.

    I must stress that this evaluation is based on my short experience with the ER and others may have better advice. As always, YMMV.
     
  4. suckamc

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    What the hell???? If that's true...

    Man.
     
  5. splatt

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    it would def suck, if it were true;
    but, it isn't.

    i recorded the full "rig" signal easily in Logic, w/o reading any manual.

    fwiw, that signal seems automatically to show up on inputs 3+4.

    i haven't taken that path any further, yet, vis à vis routing of processed/unprocessed signal.

    dt / spltrcl
     
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    Well then, I stand corrected, and in your debt, sir. I'll have to give it a go tonight. :)
     
  7. splatt

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    no probs; enjoy.
    dt / spltrcl
     
  8. Burgs

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    Humbly confirmed. :):aok

    Processed signal through inputs 3 + 4, dry signal (at the same time to another Logic track) through inputs 1 + 2. Very handy, actually.
     
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    How about the plugins that are supposedly bundled with 11? Are they VST or are they RTAS/AU only? Or maybe they aren't located on the hardware at all and are included with PT le.

    I don't use PT and it would be a real selling point if I could use BFD lite and melodyne with reaper.
     
  10. splatt

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    if any digidesign native audio interface (ie, the m-boxes) works with reaper,
    then you can continue using BFD & Melodyne within reaper.

    11r can still be programmed for your guitar-playing, stand-alone;
    it's super-easy, fast to learn. it has knobs.

    dt / spltrcl
     
  11. greenwall

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    Hey, just need some clarification -- in order to use the 11r in a foreign DAW, does it need to be your audio interface? Or can it run as a AU or VST plugin?

    Thanks!
     
  12. crazyForce

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    No it doesn't need to be the interface for a different DAW. You can send any of its outputs to your other interface for output of a mono Eleven Rack dry and mono processed guitar signal or a stereo processed signal.

    The 11R is hardware only, and does not come with the Eleven software plug in.
     
  13. greenwall

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    thanks CF. I was under the impression (see the second post of this thread) that you could use the USB connection for the audio path. The only way I know how to do something like that is if you use the USB device as your audio interface (in logic, for instance). Unless you are talking about using it in an aggregate device?

    Or is the only way to use 11r with a non PT DAW through it's physical ins and outs (i.e. and NOT using the USB connection)?

    Oh, I'm talking about use on a Mac.
     
  14. crazyForce

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    Well, I can't speak authoritatively about all DAWs, but when I tried a quick and dirty demo recording a few days ago into Garage Band, the USB connection provided the processed stereo signal on outputs 3-4 just fine. I have read of others with similar results into Cubase, and Sonar (if I am remembering correctly).
     
  15. VaiSatchAtrucci

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    Your DAW just needs to support Core Audio Drivers and all you need is the USB connection and of course means of external audio reference. It works great in Logic Pro for instance and no need to use my Apogee Duet which I used before and still do actually for the 2 mic pre's for acoustic recording and/or simultaneous acoustic / vocal recording. Output 1-2 is the unprocessed signal you can record for re-amping and output 3-4 as mentioned by crazyForce is the processed signal. This link describes how to get that going albeit not extremely technical in nature:

    http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=269366&highlight=vaisatchatrucci
     

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