Anyone ever compare the G12H 30 speakers?

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  1. RNRBabyHead

    RNRBabyHead Member

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    I am wondering if anyone has actually compared the regular Celestion G12H 30 to the G12H 30 Heritage?
    I am looking for speakers to go along with a modded Marshall JVM head. V30's are completely out of the question. I simply hate them with every amp I have every tried them with. Mud and Icepicks don't sit well with my ears.
    What I want to know is how much of a difference is there between the two speakers? Is it worth the extra money to get the heritage?
    I am mainly looking for a speaker that will retain very tight bottom end on clean and very high gain setting, and everything in between.
    I have tried the JVM with EVM 12L's, GB's, V30's, P50E's and a few Eminence.
    The JVM I am getting has the bright cap mod and choke mod. The speakers will be going into a 13 ply baltic birch, dovetailed Marshall style cab.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated about these speakers.
    RRBH
     
  2. 4styx

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    The G12H-30 Anniversary is pretty icepicky IMO.The only ones I like are the 55Hz ones,Heritage.A G12-65 would be a good choice as well.
     
  3. RNRBabyHead

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    I have played the 12H's that were beat up and they sounded good, but I just want to be sure. I can't stand a lot of speakers LOL
    I would love to find some 65's, but they seem to be very hard to come by.
     
  4. madstrat

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    avatar hellatone 30s ended my search
     
  5. RNRBabyHead

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    With a JVM?
     
  6. gulliver

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    If you think a V30 is ice picky, you'll probably think the G12H30 is ice picky. I think G12H30s are great rhythm speakers, but they tend to be a little peaky for lead work ... where the greenback RI will be thicker for lead work IMHO. I would like to try a 55HZ "H".
     
  7. RNRBabyHead

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    Well, I would up just finding a quad of G12-65's for $300 shipped.
    I'm going to give them a shot and see.

    But back to my original question.
    Comparing the G12H30 to the Heritage. What warrants the extra $100+ per speaker, or is it all smoke and mirrors like most boutique BS????
    RRBH
     
  8. jbro

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    I've had several cabs loaded with both.. to my ears the Anni. model is way harsh out of the box, and takes a LOT of break-in to mellow out. Even when settled in, it's more mid-focused and harsh in the highs than the Heritage version. The Heritage has a wider frequency response, and also takes a good bit of breaking in to mellow out the high end, but once it's relaxed a bit it sounds much more "neutral" to my ears, with less mid emphasis. I have 2 of each that I plan on keeping, both of which have been through countless gigs and rehearsals with me, so they're nice and broken in. I still prefer the Heritage versions for most applications, but the Anni's are nice speakers too.

    It's not all "smoke and mirrors", they are different sounding speakers, but it's all a matter of preference - your ears may prefer the Anni models!
     
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    Personally, I'm fine with the Anniversary H30's. If money is no object I'd rather have Scumback H55's, but as a general rule, the Anni's are fine, just play 'em at volume and dont baby them.

    I hear/find no ice pick or harshness in the Anniversary G12H30 anywhere remotely like the V30 has, so apparently we all hear things differently.
     
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    Depends on the amp.The Anniverary G12H-30 would be the way to go with a dark/warm amp.
     
  11. JohnK24

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    Anyone ever try a G12H 30 in a Hot Rod Deluxe ? I know they are rated at 30 watts, but Louis Electric uses them in his 40 watt amps.
     
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    An attempt to revive this thread:

    What tonal differences can I expect in moving from a 16ohm G12H 70th Anniversary to a 16ohm G12H Heritage Greenback in a 5W single ended Class A hand wired 1x12 open back combo with 1 12AX7, 1 KT66 and a 5AR4 rectifier (all nos US/ENG)?

    I like the sound of its 70th Anniversary G12H except for a top end that sounds a little too modern for my taste. I am going for more of an early Led Zep type of sound.. bluesier I guess. That said, I have only played the Anniversary for about 5 hours total so far. I like the mids and lows of the Anniversary G12H though... I wouldn't want to lose too much of that by switching to the Greenback. Can I expect the Anniversary to "break-in" and sound closer to what I am looking for or should I make the jump to Green?

    I've been searching the forums for opinions, but it seems like a lot of folks confuse the two speakers, calling them both "G12H30." )Even HC has both speakers reviewed in the same category) It's tricky to get a good straight opinion on the differences.
     
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    I've got Anniversary G12H-30s, and one Heritage H. The Heritage H is darker & smoother, more low end, less high end detail. Just picked up an H75 Scumback that IMHO is way better sounding than either of the Celestions....
     
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    Buy the already broken in G12H30 from Matchless.

    Awesome sounding speaker.
     
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    Spend a lot more time with it ... some people believe the speaker will change greatly with break-in, but I believe it is your ears and fingers that get most of the break-in. Plus, you need to take time to dial in your amp for the best tone.

    G12H30s are not at all modern sounding IMHO.
     
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    I use a jcm 2000 and 60 watt eminence sound real nice in my cab.
     
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    How does the H75 compare to the Anniversary (and the Heritage) in terms of highs, mids, lows?
     
  19. Head+Cab

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    The "75" in the speaker name (H75) refers to a 75Hz resonance frequency, which is more equivalent to the Anniversary. The Heritage has a resonance frequency of 55Hz and is more equivalent to the Scumback H55. Note that I am not saying the Celestions and Scumbacks sound the same, but that both 55Hz speakers cut the highs more than do their 75Hz counterparts.
     
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    The H75 is better in every way, IMHO, than the Anniversary H save for the Anniversary has a bit more overall presence/clarity which works well for clean tones but may be perceived as harsh in the wrong setup.

    The Heritage H is a different animal from either the H75 or the Anniversary H, as it has much deeper lows, darker highs, and a midrange dip in a different frequency range.

    As far as the most "balanced" speaker, the H75 is it, though I find the Anniversary H is preferable in clean and/or mellow setups. The Heritage H is great as well, even superior for certain Marshall-ish tones, but not as versatile, IMHO again....
     

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