Bill Frisell - Lexicon MPX100 question

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  1. Clifford-D

    Clifford-D Member

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    This is a performance question :)

    Friz uses a Lexicon MPX100 for reverb.

    How does it sit in his tone chain?
    Does it go through the front end of the amp or does it go through
    an effects loop? What tone difference is there.
    He always has Fender Deluxes when I see him, they don't have effects loops y/n??
    I have a Blues Deluxe RI stock. (I replaced tubes, speaker, and returned to stock by preference)

    What reverb sound/settings does he use, I believe it would be the "hall"???

    Anything else about Friz and his Lex reverb that would be good to know?

    Thanks everyone.
     
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    Last in the chain to provide the stereo split straight to the DRRIs input, uses an ebtech hum eliminator to deal with the ground loops,
     
  3. Clifford-D

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    So no effects loops? Straight in?

    Unfortunately I only have one amp but it's still nice.


    I have one more question.
    The reverb is great like you expect but the unit itself changes the fundamental
    tone of the chain.
    Last night I was checking out or comparing Digiverb, Verbzilla and Lexicon. With reverb off the flat sound is different between the units. The Line6 is close to the original but with some minor splatter when digging in.
    The Lexicon has the warmest flat tone. Almost like a Polytone, add the reverb and this is a nice warm pallet of verb.
    Is this the effect of FET?? Is FET tone different amungst pedals??

    I just think since two of my favorite players use Lexicon, Friz and Kimock, It is essential to the end product. Tone.
    I hear my voice in this arena of tone so why not learn as much as I can. :)
     
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    That all sounds great Henry, the stuff I want to understand, Could you suggest in/out settings?

    Also I need some definitions to what you wrote.

    Compander device = what does compressed signal do/sound like, what is the effect
    of compression, this is a different compression as found in the Keeley pedal right?
    Is this compander tone effect something that Friz and Steve seek out aside from the nice verb?

    Phase cancelation - is that what the BBE Sonic Stomp does? I'm so confused,

    Tone is so important to how we express ourselves, any old tone doesn't work.

    Thanks Henry and all
     
  5. splatt

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    to some degree,
    what marks the "organic" warmth featured in
    the best of those
    much-loved older (and propagated) lexicon reverb algorithms
    (& might be seen to cause various degrees
    of resultant phase-issues) is
    the subtle, irregular movement of the delay-times
    that make up the apparent reverb-tails:
    it can be thought-of as a kind of "chorusing"
    (which can be user-programmed/controlled
    within the more expensive lexicon units,
    eg pcm70, pcm80/81, 90/91, 200, 480, 960, etc etc etc).
    (this element was also included in at least one of the early LXP-devices,
    if my memory serves me well enough.....)

    dt / spltrcl
     
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    Yes, that is great to know.
    Do you have any thoughts on the FET thing? I need to get straight on that.
    Thank you.
     
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    FET equaling Mos-Fet?
     
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    it is only one of the elements which adds to
    the vivacity of the sound, i think,
    which might be perceived as bringing forward
    "warmth", "richness", & a (false, maybe) "organic" nature
    to the sound.
    but, to put a finer point on that element:
    where that quasi-random chorusing occurs
    in the reverb tails (& may result in some phase-issues),
    in fact i believe that it may be the animation
    of the phase-movement (married to very subtle pitch changing)
    that offers those feelings,
    given that these motions are both irregular
    &, to many ears,
    nearly imperceptible.
    dt / spltrcl
     
  9. Clifford-D

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    Wow Henry, I'll be rereading this and researching it. I pretty much get it,
    between your scientific explanation and Davids extropolated tapastries of thought, the info is well laid out.
    I feel neurons connecting.

    Please fellas, keep going, it's fun, and keeps me out of trouble.lol
     

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