Bogner Uberschall vs Red! Need help from people who have tried both.

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  1. Pao

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    Hello! I'm really digging the overall voice of the Uberschall but haven't seen enough lead tones from the videos I've seen on YT. I know the gain is a little lower than expected, but maybe someone can give some insight.

    I've been debating if I should get an Uberschall because I really like the tone. But the Red seems to be capable of almost anything and has the top row switches which can help adjusting to whatever amp you're playing through and what-not. I'm really liking the Uberschall but is it a bad call?

    NOTE: I can't try both pedals before I buy so I really need your opinions. You guys are awesome! I'm learning so much from this forum.
     
  2. Sherwood

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    I own all 3 and they´ve replaced all my drive pedals.

    First, to your speciffic question: Uberschall sounds more compressed, warmer and the freq spectrum is a little constrained relative to the Red, wich makes it a little difficult to dial in at first. The red is more like "instant gratification". My first impression when trying them at home was that i spent unnecessary money on the Uberschall becouse the red sounded so much more natural. But in the rehearsal room things got A LOT diferent... In the real-world (band rehearsal) situation the Uber finds the right spot on the mix and sounds just right.. and it´s EASIER to dial in than the red in a live band situation. The extended freq spetrum of the red makes it easy to get lost in the mix becouse of the extra lows, while the Uber always sounds concise on the lows. And, regarding the lack of gain on the Uber.. i disagree.. but i must say it only sounds right for me with the boost function alway on (although it´s set at zero.. but when off i feel a lack of headroom).

    So, if you´re in a band and can´t have both, i´d get the Uber. But bear in mind that you can have 2 different gain structures with the Red and only one with the Uber.

    And, just for your info.. the red sounds very close to a Suhr Riot (wich i also own and love). So, you can save a few quid getting the Uber and a used Riot to cover all basis..

    To sum it all:

    Red- uncompressed and imediate sounding, aggressive, more high-end and hi-mid enphasis, very biting and amp-like tone at home. Very versatile. Need to cut lows when playing with the band or you´ll get lost in the mix (specially if you do fast runs on the neck pickup).

    Uber- Compressed but concise tone. Never loose definition. Less agressive but not less "metal" than the red. More like a one-trick-ponny.. but a very nice one! I think it would be the perfect pedal if bogner put a presence knob on it.
     
  3. billyg121

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    So the riot sounds like a hot rodded Marshall ? I need to check that out!
     
  4. Pao

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    Thanks for all your help, Sherwood! Now I'm really thinking of getting the Uberschall. I wonder why I don't see enough reviews here on TGP or anywhere else? Is it because of how it was marketed?

    How flexible is the Uberschall in terms of style played? Can it do lower gains well? Also, is it as noisy as the Red? I've seen videos of how noisy the Red can get. The Red also seems to have that high sort of fuzz-ish sound when at super high gain, does the Uberschall get that too if, say, boosted with a clean boost or TS style pedal? Or does it stay defined?
     
  5. ken374

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    My red and blue are pretty quiet , depends on the amp maybe. Still wanna try the Uber yet:)
     
  6. Sherwood

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    On topics.. (let me know if i missed anything)

    Pao,

    - i don´t think the lack of reviews on the Uber has anything to do w/ the marketing.. i believe it didn´t earn that much success on the forums becouse most of the posters buy gear to play at home. The Uber is a fantastic pedal on a live situation (rehearsal or stage) but as much as i like mine, i must admit, it doesn´t shine at home nor in a store. The Red, on the other hand, sounds terriffic at home. Same thing for the Blue.

    Another thing that counts for the Uber´s lack of popularity may be the fact that it takes time to "learn" it´s tone controls. As a devoted owner/user i must say the Treble-Mid-Bass labels looks like a misprint to me. Once you figure out how it really works it gets easyer to find your tone.. The correct sequence should´ve labled Hi-mids - Mid-shift - Sub-lows/comp. And those controls sounds like they´re interactive..wich makes it a nightmare to find your tone until you figure this out.. it takes a little while to understand. I won´t go further becouse it may be out of subject here, but I can explain in detail if you will.

    - The Uber can do classic or modern tones, light or heavy gain but it always sound smooth and a little more compressed (on a good way), whereas the Red and the blue sound bitting and open. One thing to mention is the Uber never sounds right for me if the boost is disengaged. Mine is ON all the time, and it puts the right amount of headroom on the tone.. w/ boost off it sounds like (err...) a pedal! Turn the boost on w/ boost volume at zero and it is very amp-like.

    - None of my bogners are noisy. I must add that the Red is even quieter than the very similar sounding Suhr Riot on my board (both running at 9v from the same power supply).

    - Finally, the Red does get fuzzy if you dial it that way (same thing on the blue), but i can easily get rid of the fuzzyness and get a well defined tone. Again, using the Riot for comparison to the Red, it is the tone of the Red without ever loosing definition. The Uber is always concise and smooth, sometimes too smooth.. but never goes into fuzzy territory.

    Boosting an Uber w/ an Overdrive pedal makes it compress, which i don´t like. The best boosting for the Uber results from my clean booster, specially my Suhr Koko. Also, i run my Blue fairly clean (a terriffic plexi clean tone) and when set almost clean it is another EXCELLENT booster for the Uber.

    Seriously, i´m very happy w/ all 3 and they replaced Xotic, Suhr, Analogman and Mesa drive pedals on my board. I´m *almost* 100% satisfied.. The closest i ever got.

    ... i belive a couple of refinements would turn the Uber into a dream pedal for us all.. and a huge market succes. If only i had the chance to custom order a "variation" from bogner..
     
  7. Pao

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    Thank you for your help, man! Your answers are very detailed and they're really helping me out. I'm just a little worried that the Uberschall isn't flexible enough (without the switches) that I'd get stuck and get annoyed mixing like most of the other user reviews I've read. From how you describe it, though, it's really what I'm looking for. I'm also afraid that if I take the leap and get the Uber and don't like it, I'd lose so much cash cause the resale value is lower than the red/blue.

    I see the dilemma with the knobs and mixing a proper tone. Do you have sound samples I can listen to? The red/blue have enough demos online but for the Bogner it's always super high gain + riffing. Probably what it's meant for, but it doesn't show what else it can do. Plus I'd like to get into the EQ thing you described.

    Dang, this is why it's difficult when I can't try pedals before I buy them. But thank you for all your help!
     
  8. ken374

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    No fizz here on the red very smooth lead tones, I always have the treble around 1 o clock. It can get bright
     
  9. Pao

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    Hey Ken, have you tried recording the red in different amps? Is it the type of pedal that would sound good regardless of whatever you plug it into?
     
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    just my fender
     
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    They prefer 6l6 or el34 higher head room, 2 channel amps
     
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    Oh I first had the red with the Mini Rectifier and I liked the pedal over the amps distortion, It was a bit smoother, little more quieter and lot better lead tones.
     
  13. Pao

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    I'm so torn between the two! I think I need more input. But thank you for all your help!!
     
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    red is more like EVH 80's rock and does it well, Uber more modern maybe
     
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    I would go red most people like it, some said the Uber wasnt as good, who knows
     
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    What amp you running? Ryan84 on here has all 3 try to locate him if you can
     
  17. Pao

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    I'm worried more about backline amps if they take the pedals well since I always go for pedals that sound good on whatever you plug them into since I'm tired of lugging my amp around. I'll contact that guy!
     
  18. justnick

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    Thing about the Uberschall is it won't do a cartoon version of modern metal sounds. It's voiced to create heavy tons that will hold together in a mix and at volume. It's particularly easy to dial in for that purpose. The Red can also do some great high gain sounds but is perhaps less precise a tool for that purpose.

    Here's a comparison...

     
  19. shock me

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    Tried all 3. Didn't care for the Red. Not the sound I have in my head. Been through a ton of overdrives. Blue and Uber are on my board. The Uber is tight and thick, without muddiness and fizziness. Scooped or not. It is versatile. Blues to shred. Quiet pedal.

    I agree with a previous response that the Uber with the boost engaged is where this pedal shines!
     
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  20. Pao

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    Hey, Nick! I actually watched that video of yours a while ago and was about to email you asking about it. How is the Uber with lead tones? I suppose it's now established that the Uber will cut through the mix better with riffs, metal or rock, but how does that affect lead tones?
     

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