Celestion vs. Eminence tone...

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  1. SlyStrat

    SlyStrat Supporting Member

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    I've read some stuff about the Eminence Red Coat speakers being better than Celestions. Anyone have some tone comparison feedback?
     
  2. granite

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    Tone comparisons are so subjective. I was in the Celestion camp forever until I started hearing the buzz around the new Eminence Red Coat & Patriot speaker lines. There are a lot of great speaker clips in the member sound clips area and after a lot of reseach I settled on a Red Fang / Wizard in a 2x12 cab. Sonically, similar to a Cel Blue & a G12H30 pairing only better sounding to my ears. I think the Cel Blue is still tops, but the Red Fang is so close and ALOT less expensive that I can't see how anyone would spend the extra dough on a Cel Blue. I'm fully in the Eminence camp now.
     
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    Again, very subjective, but I've heard that emmi's in general are brighter due to design and the builder than the celestions. Any truth from experience?
     
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    granite,

    what style of music do you play?

    Mark
     
  5. granite

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    Original Indie type rock. Sonically a cross between the Gin Blossoms meet Matthew Sweet. Not high gain.
     
  6. granite

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    This might not matter to others, but another reason I'm gravitating towards Eminence is that all their speakers are still manufactured in the USA. Celestion has moved most (not all) of their speaker production to China from the UK.

    Anyone interested in real good Eminence speaker clips should check out the following link. http://www.woodys-guitar-world.co.uk/listen.htm

    Woody is a member here. The Emi clips are at the bottom of the page
     
  7. Shea

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    I've heard that the Eminence Legend G12B is "warmer" than a G12H30, for whatever that's worth.

    There's been so much talk about the Patriot / Redcoat series lately, it's easy to forget that Eminence also has its Legend series.

    Eminence has so many freakin' models, I wouldn't know how to pick one if I needed to. And I sort of do need some new speakers.

    Shea
     
  8. keith_t4e

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    I appreciate the person who broke camp because of Celestions being made in China; however, certain models are still being made in UK right?
    I've always been a celestion guy though many of the cabs I'm interested in now are going with em.
     
  9. j37nm

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    The eminence red coat speakers have a better & more extended "high end." The red coat "low end" is less prominent than celestion speakers. The eminence models (i.e. wizard, texas, etc) with "aggressive bass" are only on par with the bass of a standard celestion v30, classic lead 80, etc. At least this is my perception when comparing the low end. The mid range is comparable between both models. Overall, this gives the impression, at least to my ears, that the eminence models are clearer.

    This is especially true with clean guitar tones. The eminence red coat speakers blow away the celestions for clean tone. Hands down, my choice is the eminence for clean tone. If you play clean style jazz, country, classical, blues, rockabilly, etc; I think the eminence is much better.

    The eminence red coat speakers have a different "grit." It is a little stiffer than the celestion grit. For some styles (especially for lead guitar work), this stiffer grit is very musical. For distorted guitar chording & rhythm playing, the celestions grit is more "open," sounding compared to the red coats. My opinion is that the celestions are a bit better sounding for this distorted riffing (hard rock & metal especially). Overall, distorted guitar sounds are a bit smoother through the celestions when compared to the eminence. At least, this is my opinion.

    As always, this depends on many factors (guitar, pick up, amp, power tube, cabinet, playing style, preference). YMMV

    j37
     
  10. Passenger84

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    I used to be fully into Eminence, especially because of the fact that they're made in the US. But lately, I've gone over to Celestion, even though I'm quite sure the ones I currently have were made in China. It seems to me (as of today, we'll see where my opinion lies next week hehe) that the Celestions have a more "focused" tone, where as Eminence are a bit more "spread out". Does anyone else seem to hear this?
     
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    One person's "focused" is another person's "narrow" and one person's "spread out" could be another's "3-D or full". It really depends on the style of music you play, your amp, and what you are using for reference tones.

    For me, many of the Celestion models sounded harsh and narrow. I was looking for a more spread out/ 3D Full type of tone and the Eminence Fang/Wizard combo fit my needs to a tee. Celestion speakers fit other people's needs. Hard to say which is "best", but I really believe Celestion made a huge error moving most of their production to China. Worse thing they could do IMHO. Eminence is capitalizing on Celestion's bad business move.
     
  12. Gary Ladd

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    +1 :Spank

    Celestion has also lost me, my money, my respect and free product references...

    I won't buy Chinese gear :rolleyes:
     
  13. celestion101

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    Yes we still make a number of models in the UK....Heritage Series (G12H, G12M, G12-65), Blues, the new Gold (50 watt "Blue" launched at NAMM), Century, and other occasional fun projects.
     
  14. Matt Gordon

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    Eminence manufactures in China also, though they claim it's to stay in that market. I'm absolutely sure none will show up in the USA . . . Anyway, I will always be a Celestion person, and of the Emi's I have, not one is what I would call better than Celestion. I haven't tried them all though, but I won't. Those that like them, like them. Those that don't. dont. :AOK
     
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    I thought this was bang on.
     
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    I buy both . I just purchased 32 Eminence speakers today . I still buy Celestion speakers as well . Let your ears do the talking for you . I bought 10 celestion blues about 3 months ago . I plan on buying 12 Heritage speakers .

    There is a " Best " speaker for every amp and guitar sound , the thing is , you are the one in charge of desideing which one is the best.

    Let me address the China thing for a moment . I have tested the Celestion Green backs in the studio . China VS Britan . There is no difference . Same tone , same range , NO difference .

    I love the Celestion Blues , the Green Backs and the Heritage series speakers .

    I also love Eminence Swampthang , Cannabas Rex , The Red White & Blue, The Texas Heat, Red Fang & Ram rod .

    The reason is, I own 26 different Amps and each one has a " Best " tone .
    I have to please very tuff customers tonally . So I need to find that tone , and part of the way I acheive that is with speakers .

    This coming year the good folks at Eminence will launch a new program .
    They will have Master Dealers across the country putting in a speakers switching network . Here you will be able to test all their speakers one at a time useing your favorite amp and guitar . This is the way it should be !

    Best of luck ,
     
  17. KenSea

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    I have a Carr Rambler and have considered upgrading the speaker with either a Celeston Blue or maybe a Heritage greenback. But have considered the Eminence speakers too, would love some input here. I have read the blues sound great at low volume levels too.Thanks
     
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    We had done extensive testing and A/B'ing between the Celestions and Eminence speakers. When all was said and done the Celestions just seemed to have the tone that our ears were looking for. As others have mentioned the Eminence speakers we tested did seem to have more top end or were brighter (could get harsh quickly depending on your amp, guitar, pickups, etc.) where as the Celestions always seemed to retain enough top end without getting harsh or crass. The bottom also seemed to be richer when compared to the Eminence so all in all we ended going with Celestions and we've been extremely happy. Also it may be worth noting that thus far we have not had any defective speakers (getting ready to order another two pallets worth of speakers).

    It's not to suggest in any way that Eminence makes bad sounding speakers so please do not take it as such. They were very kind and gracious to us which says a lot about any company. I'm just sharing our experience, nothing more - nothing less :)



    For what it's worth
    Trace
     
  19. RGB

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    I have cabs and combos with both Emi's and Celestions and I'm very happy with both. My favorite is Mesa's MC90...a UK Celestion...and Emi's Man O' War is a close second. The C Rex next and the Chinese G12H30 brings up the rear. I also have some OEM Legends that are great sounding speakers. I guess it just depends on the application because both companies make a fine product, in my opinion.
     
  20. sosomething

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    In my live rig I use a Splawn 4x12 with 2 Emi Guvernors and 2 Emi Man'O'Wars in an "X" pattern and find the tone to be very pleasing. I've listened and compared this cab with a number of Celestion-loaded cabs and this is what I've found:

    The Guvernor is tonally very close to a V-30, but I think the high end rolls off just a teensy bit sooner on the Governer. Also it seems like the Governor needs to be pushed a little harder to break up. Otherwise I could tell very little difference between the two. The mid-spike is in exactly the same place, but like I said - between the speakers I tried, the Governer is a little darker.

    The Man'O'War was the real surprise for me. I LOVE these speakers. For some reason I could never stand Celestion T-75s - they always seemed overly sharp and harsh to me. The Man'O'Wars have all the same frequencies (not sure how else to put it) but they seem to be aligned better? The speaker sounds much smoother without sounding darker. I'm not sure how this is possible. It might just be the Splawn cab that's responsible for this.

    Either way, sign me on as a happy RedCoat user.
     

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