Fake CF Martin & CO guitars from China

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  1. RockinB23

    RockinB23 Supporting Member

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    Well if those fake Gibson Les Paul's didn't bother you here is another example of this. A new CF Martin & Co just started producing guitars in China and its amazing according to their headstock they were established in 1833 as well. I found this whole thing quite disturbing!!!


    http://www.musicincmag.com/News/2010/101214/101214_martin.html
     
  2. Jahn

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    Holy Moley. That takes the cake. Martin Guitars must have thought "you gotta be KIDDING me" when they showed up at that trade show!
     
  3. Tuberattler

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    That is outrageous! I surely hope Martin is able to do something, this is a game changer. Just Wow!
     
  4. pickaguitar

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    I'm a huge Martin fan and owner...however let's see'em!
     
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  5. musicofanatic5

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    Have you seen 'em?!? Easily detectable as a p.o.s. from across a dark room. Not even close!! They look like any other cheap crap import. There's a pawn shop on ebay I have seen listing them as a "Martin" and they either truly do not know it isn't a Martin (yeah, right!), or just playing dumb.
     
  6. otterhound

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    If that pawn shop is in the USA and Martin learns of it , they could be in a world of hurt all the way down to the importer . Rightfully so .
     
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    Takes 'identity theft' to a whole new level...wow!
     
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    Internationalism at its finest. They are probably bankrolled by Goldman Sachs with Tarp funds.
     
  9. Jaan

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    Lets hope so
     
  10. sgon

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    And incidentally all of them are "made in USA"
    There is a lot of discussion going on in another thread in AGF here:
    http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203886&page=4
     
  11. otterhound

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    Take one to the factory and show it to them . Tell me what happens .
     
  12. sgon

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    Read the first couple of sentences in the article that OP posted:
    C.F. Martin executives got an unwelcome surprise when they arrived in Shanghai for Music China this past October: Another C.F. Martin had set up shop in the trade show hall.

    The exhibit bore the Martin & Co. logo, down to the tag line "Est. 1833," and featured dead ringers of several best-selling Martin guitars. And yet the company had no relation to C.F. Martin.
     
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    Truly disturbing.
     
  14. otterhound

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    OK . Stroll on down to the factory in Nazareth with that banner/booth . Show it/them to the good people at Martin in Nazareth and tell me what happens .
    One just may be able to get away with that in China , but Nazareth ain't in China .
    Martin's battle in China is lost . Up to me , I would immediately confirm the company trademark status in every market that my company was in . I would do what it takes to protect that trademark . With that done , I would assess the company's market in China . If I felt that my company could survive it , I would immediately pull out of the Chinese market .
    " Let them eat fakes "
    I would also call for the suicide of those that dishonored the good Martin name and set out on a very public campaign to shame the imposters in China .
    One mans opinion .
     
  15. dangeroso

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    Speaking as someone who buys most of his gear used, these stories really make me cringe.
     
  16. musicofanatic5

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    I am not sure I fully understand the seemingly "high moral tone" driving some of the outrage over this (the tone on the AGF smacks of pure jingoism!), but to each his own. I would hope that through the benefit of forums like this and others, gtr buyers could avoid stupid (uneducated) mistakes like not being able to discern a counterfeit gtr (I pretty much smelled it's phony-stink through the computer screen when I first saw one, and that goes for the LPs, too) from the reel deel. My latin is a little weak, but I believe it's caveat emptor,now more than everin the free global marketplace!
     
  17. otterhound

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    Don't know latin .
    Trust but verify .
    If a seller is unwilling to provide proper photos and serial number to verify through Martin , I say stay away .
    I don't sense any " high moral tone " here . Trademarks and the protection that they are supposed to provide are pure legal matters . Either the guitar is legal in the USA in accordance with those protections or it isn't .
    Ask Gibson how this works with wood/s .
    It is like counterfeit money . It is not illegal until you try to pass it off as the real thing .
    These fakes should be traced back to the importer and the importer/s should be slammed .
    I am curious as to whether the HPL Martins are being copied . A fake import that copies a legit import .
     
  18. musicofanatic5

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    Yeah, I was one of the hoodlums cutting Latin and out behind the gym smoking cigarettes.

    "I don't sense any " high moral tone " here"

    "These fakes should be traced back to the importer and the importer/s should be slammed"

    There's yer HMT right there (quote #2)! I do not get where the outraged indignation comes from? Are you a Martin stockholder? Sorry, but I can't get myself terribly worked up over this. I'm not the only one who can spot a fake Martin, am I? And if Martin's cozy little scene gets shook up a little, that certainly won't hurt us, the Martin buying public!
     

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