Gibson SG Standard 1968-1969 Value?

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  1. Beng2040

    Beng2040 Supporting Member

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    Hi guys...I have an opportunity to buy a late 60's SG standard. The guy swears it's a 68, but the headstock logo is missing the dot over the "i," leading me to believe it's a 69.

    All of the other features are 68...no volute, rounded heel, etc. It's had changed tuners (comes with the originals also) and is a little worn, but otherwise all original with case. Is there any definitive way to tell if it's 68 or 69?
    There seems to be a big difference in price between those two years. Also, any ideas of the value? I really want it, but would hate to overpay based on it being a 68. Thanks in advance!
     
  2. TattooedCarrot

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    This is what is listed for 68/69 standards in the 2011 vintage price guide.

    1968 w/engraved lyre in cherry = $5200 - $5700

    1969 w/engraved lyre and 1-piece neck = $4700 - $5200

    1969 w/engraved lyre and 3-piece neck = $3200 - $3700
     
  3. Drowned Rabbit

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    here's some pics of my 1969 SG Standard. No volute, no MADE IN USA. Hope this helps.



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  4. cffluntouch

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    I have an SG special that is exactly the same juxtaposition as yours: late '68 parts and specs but a '69 serial number. Keep in mind it was not an exact serial number science back then. Sounds like it is a $500 difference from the post above, with those specs you can split the difference in the high 4k range and be ok. I would also look at the date codes on the pots.
     
  5. Beng2040

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    The pot codes date it at the 50th week of 1968. Everything on the one I'm looking at points to 68, except for the headstock logo. I also just found out that the neck pickup in not original. So, it has a changed neck pickup, 99% 68 features but the 69 logo. The guy wants $2K...do you guys think that's fair?
     
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    cffluntouch Gold Supporting Member

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    I think 2k is more than fair personally. I paid more than that for my special, but it is 100%. You can buy a period correct TTop for the neck for $300-$400 and you are closer to 100%. It looks great in the picture!
     
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    Thanks for the reply, however, the one pictured is not the one I'm looking at (the one in the pic is beautiful, I agree). The one I'm thinking of buying looks just like it, though.
     
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    Oh I see. Oh well, I still think you are in good shape at 2k, and could easily turn it around for more.
     
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    I'm going to check the SG out tonight and will report back tomorrow, hopefully with pics as I plan on bringing it home with me.:) Thanks guys, for the help.
     
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    Guys, I bought this guitar last night. It absolutely screams! Quick question about the finish...were 60's Gibson finishes somewhat rough looking? This one doesn't look tampered with, but it's not the glossy finish I'm used to seeing on Gibsons. I have zero experience with 60's guitars, though.
     
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    You promised pictures
     
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    I did, but can't find the charger for my camera :(. Borrowing my girlfriend's camera tonight and will post pics later.
     
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    $2K is a fantastic price for a 68/69 SG Standard even if the tuners and one pup are not original. However, based on your description of the rough finish it sounds like the finish is not original which would definitely devalue the guitar and explain the low price. Hard to tell without pics or feeling the finish, but the original factory finish should be nice and smooth.
     
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    That's what I thought, but called my luthier and he said they weren't as smooth and glossy back then. I've looked hard at pics of other 68's, and the finish looks consistent with those...just need to see them in the right light. Also, there looks like 40 year old dust under the guard and the finish looks the same under the guard and in the control cavity. Who would do an overspray in the control cavity? The seller said it blacklights perfectly, but of course I didn't have one with me. Taking it to my luthier today to verify and will have pics and info up soon. Thanks again, guys!
     
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    As a reference, here is my 69 SG. The finish is as smooth as any other high gloss finish Gibson that I have.

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    Wow, that's gorgeous! Yeah, much shinier than mine. I think mine might have some overspray. Oh well, I still dig the hell out of it and I finally own a 60's Gibson!
     
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    I wouldn't go by any of these values- the VPG folks obviously aren't trying to sell instruments in this market.

    $5700 for a '68!?!?! Thats a JOKE ....seriously.

    Tatooed Carrot- I'm not shooting the messenger, so please don't take my post to be directed at you. The price guide is whacked though....at least in this economy.
     
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    BTW- if its a good player, $2k is worth the price of admission- there are a lot of Custom Shop/Vintage RI's that go for that!

    Good luck....
     
  20. Jimmy Forest

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    Hi guys,

    I just found this late 1968, early 1969 vintage sg, someone is selling it for 2350 euros (3150 $),

    the seller said :

    Everything is original except the tuners, the pots, the saddles and the case.
    It has a one piece neck, one piece body brazilian rosewood, no volute, no made in usa mention, the vibrola angle is perfect unlike most of them (could you tell me what it means). the finish is a little bit cracked like most vintage guitars, is it a problem?

    Do you think it is worthy?

    Does the vibrola affect the sound and decrease sustain? does it stays in tune enough? How does it compare to earlier sg's?

    Thanks in advance
     

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