Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by stratchamp57, Jun 20, 2013.
Fire sales always kill the product on the used market .
In what way are the switches better ? Different yes but.
Oh, I assume the redesign was due to issues with existing switches. Usually that's the case.
Ive tried HD500, kind of OK but they never excited me.
I suppose, but it's just speeding up what would eventually happen anyway. As soon as a new product is announced, the demand for the old drops off substantially, usually.
But even if you get 50% out of what you paid for a modeler after owning it a few years, that a decent return. I look at like this. I paid $425 for my HD500 almost three years ago. Even if I sell it for something ridiculously low like $200 or something, my net cost in ownership was $225 for that time period. That's like $1.50 per week. That's not bad.
I think it is cosmetic , they are not any more robust.
Line 6 don't have to piss on their customers but they always do .
I believe they are more robust. I think they're more like the switches on the original FBV floorboards.
You'd rather they never updated the products? Most of the stuff in the major supply chains ran out before these shipped.
Everybody updates products, and old products go down in value... it's just progress.
But selling the old ones for nothing "is" pissing on your customers .
rom the video of Andertons you can see him pushing effortlessly the switch, with the original FBV this take a lot more pressure to push. The original FBV switches are road graded and they do last.
They couldn't be any worse. Those switches hang up equally across all the M5/M9/HD300/400/500 products.
Seems like anything would be better. It's not that they break as much as its just a design flaw. I've heard of people having issues with them right out of the box.
Just going from what they look like... But they are being marketed as an upgrade - "pro grade". They could be more of soft-switch type thing like the Strymon switches. In reality, I'm sure they're not actually switches - they're actually actuators/plungers. But they do look to be a step up from the old switches.
Honestly, though, I've had my M13 for almost five years, and I've never had any issue with those switches. I do know there are sporadic complaints with them, though. So good on Line 6 for addressing it.
Where are they doing that? I see a handful of merchants blowing out their stock. My local store (I was just there) is just selling the HD 500s at regular price right now.
What are they supposed to do with that stuff? If they are giving their retailers incentives to move out the few HD 500s that are out there... bravo for them. Nice to do something nice for the guy who actually sells your product.
GC online seems to be out, Sweetwater is out. MF has knocked a hundred bucks off...
It's not pissing on your customers. It's only a handful of them. It's basically what you do to NOT piss on (or piss off) your retailers.
The ones on the hd have been used on the xt x3 and m so they are road tested , if you open it up the switches are both a bit suspect to say the least.
THere are many design flaws in the unit.
one drop of 3-in-1 oil on those footswitches on the HD 500 and M series and they are silent for a long long time (only ever had to do this once on either unit).
I know some have had issues, I never did. Owned 3 L6 products with those switches... no... four...
You're a design flaw...
OK, that's mean... But, seriously... You're too much.
I think "flaw" is a strong word. Perhaps we could say that there are some design decisions made in the first gen unit that may not have been optimal?
1. No power switch.
2. Power plug outer shield is exposed and subject to shorting.
3. USB too close to power input...easy to fry the unit. Has been done.
4. Input configuration makes it near impossible to achieve unity gain.
5. Effects loop difficult to achieve unit gain.
6. First gen unit is arguably underpowered in the DSP section.
7. Switches are of suspect quality. (yes, lower failure rate than X3, but still...the sight of them... )
Line6 appears to have addressed at least two of these "flaws" in the new unit. That's commendable. Would be great if some of the other ones had been too.
What is a logical simple explanation for omitting a power switch?
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