Need recommendation for powering pedals

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by nphase, Jan 20, 2011.

  1. nphase

    nphase Member

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    So, I'm having a hard time finding a good power supply for my delay board. I'm pretty aware of boutique effects pedals, but for power I really am clueless. Everyone I know has suggested going the route of the PP ISO-5 but based on pedal specs, I have a hard time believing it'll sufficiently power all the pedals on my board.

    The board as it stands now is:

    Boss DD20 9v 200mA
    EHX Holy Grail (the old one thats more square, not the nano) - 9v 500mA (??? 500mA? for a reverb pedal?)
    EHX Freeze 9.6v 200mA
    Empress Tremolo 9v ??mA
    Line6 DL4 9V AC 2000mA (wtf, AC)
    Boss DC2 (std boss 9v)
    Line6 MM4 9V AC 2000mA (wtf, AC)
    Moog MuRF 105
    And soon, the Eventide Space.


    You get the point. With the addition of the Eventide Space, i no longer have room on my surge protector for all the individual adapters. You guys have any thoughts on how to power all or most of this? I don't mind using the MuRF's brick, but it'd be cool if i could get much the rest powered..
     
  2. Flight1311

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    I think you might want to look into the Cioks DC-10

    Specifications:
    Outlet 1-4: 9V DC / 100mA each
    Outlet 5-6: 9 or 12V DC / 200mA each*
    Outlet 7-8: 9 and 12V DC / 400mA
    Outlet 9-10: 9 and 12 or 15V DC / 400mA
    * can be merged into a 400mA section
     
  3. Flight1311

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    Ah, I missed your AC issues. The T-Rex Fuel Tank Chameleon can power the Eventide stuff.
     
  4. Holy Schnikes

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    If your thinking Voodoo Labs, I would get a PP2+ and ISO5. The PP2+ can handle the L6 stuff no problem and the ISO5 supports Eventide.

    Not sure any one supply can handle all that though, PP2+ will only give 250mA at output 5 and 6, both of which you'd need for the L6 stuff. All others will only be 100mA. The two together may get it done.

    This way you'll probably have extra outlets for future additions and AC jack on back of PP2+. I use that jack to string together my two units.
     
  5. nphase

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    Cool, Thanks! I'll look into those. Hoping of course that my googling around for voltage info was accurate..
     
  6. JeffOlson

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    A OneSpot or Power-All could power all of your 9-volt DC pedals...
     
  7. Holy Schnikes

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    Forgot to mention, in your setup, I'd use PP2+ AC jack for Holy Grail adapter. I've heard that pedal can't be run off the isolated outs due to that high mA consumption. Doubt it's really using 500mA, but definitely over 250.
     
  8. Moe45673

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    I'd leave the default power supplies for the Line 6.

    The Boss DC-2 probably uses the old Boss ACA adaptor, which is 12V unregulated. However, if daisy chained with a typically powered pedal, like the Boss DD-20 or EHX Freeze, you can use a PSA type power supply to run it.

    I agree that a one-spot/godlyke could sufficiently remove a lot of your single adaptors, while leaving the more specialized ones alone and making room. They have about 2000 mA of power to provide and only cost about 40-50 bucks.

    Leave the DD-20 on its own power supply. I actually run mine off a godlyke and it sounds great to me, but many have reported noise when it's sharing a power source.
     
  9. jnepo1

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    Eventide is 9VAC I believe. The Chameleon is 12VAC. The Eventide can also be powered via 9VDC at 300mA.
     
  10. jnepo1

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    The Line6 DL4, although it is 9VAC has a voltage regulator. So it can be powered via a DC power source like the PP2+ or w/ similar specs. Eventhough it is AC powered via the supplied wallwart, the DL4 and it's internal regulator can convert the currency and be powered via a DC power. Just make sure you use the "RED" power cable supplied by most PSU manufacturers, it has a 2.5mm barrel connector and is reversed polarity.
     
  11. Moe45673

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    If you do decide to go DC power on the Line 6, as the poster above me mentioned, be careful you do not daisy chain it with negative tipped connectors! IE, Daisy-chaining the DL-4 and MM-4 are A-OK, daisy-chaining the Boss DD-20 and DL-4 is highly inadvisable.
     
  12. jnepo1

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    You really can't daisy chain the DL4. It requires a "RED" power cable supplied by the PSU manufacturer such as VL. And on top of that, the "RED" power cable is a 2.5mm barrel connector, not the 2.1mm barrel connector found in most pedals. Also, the "RED" power cable is reverse polarity. So, daisy chaining the DL4 and the DD-20 couldn't be done.
     
  13. CIOKS support

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    Hi,

    Let me clear up sum specifiations on your pedals and suggest how to hook it all up to our CIOKS DC10 power supply:
    Boss DC2, 9V DC / 30mA - outlet 1, CIOKS Flex 1 (black)
    EHX Freeze 9V DC / less than 100mA - outlet 2, CIOKS Flex 1 (black)
    Empress Tremolo, 9-15V / 32mA - outlet 3, CIOKS Flex 1 (black)
    Line6 DL4, 12V DC / 120-140mA, CIOKS Flex 4 (green) - outlet 5 @ 12V DC
    Line6 MM4, 12V DC / 110-130mA, CIOKS Flex 4 (green) - outlet 6 @ 12V DC
    Moog MuRF 105, 9V DC / 230mA, CIOKS Flex 2 (red) - outlet 7
    Boss DD20, 9V DC / 155-175mA, CIOKS Flex 1 (black) - outlet 9
    EHX Holy Grail, 9V DC / approx. 200mA, the original adapter is non regulated type and the pedal receives 11,5V - CIOKS Flex 5 (black) - outlet 10 @ 12V DC*

    Eventide Space, 12V DC / 400mA max. - CIOKS Flex type 4 (green)

    You have quite many pedals of which many have big needs regarding power (mA). You'd be able to power everything excerpt the Space of our CIOKS DC10. The Holy Grail will have to share GND with the DD20 and this could be problematic. The Grail could make a high freq. hiss into the DD20 through the ground lead, but not nescesarily. You need to try it. Adding the Space will be a problem with one PSU only. The Space could be powered by one of the 400mA sections if you rather would like to power one of the other pedals from it's own original adapter. The Eventides original PSU are a bit heavy and big I've heard.

    Anyway, if you have other questions just e-mail me.

    Best regards,
    Poul Ciok
     
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    You can daisy chain anything with anything, assuming you have a daisy chain and the appropriate adaptor. I can totally daisy chain a DD-20 with a DL-4 using my Godlyke. It`s inadvisable and may damage one or both of the pedals, but technically I am physically able to daisy chain them.

    Having said that, daisy-chaining a DL-4 and an MM-4, both of which require a positive tipped cable (rather than the Boss standard negative tipped), is fine and can be done with no reasonable risk of damaging the pedals, just like having neg. tipped connectors on the same daisy chain is perfectly fine.

    I think we`re pretty much saying the same thing
     
  15. jnepo1

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    Moe I guess you're correct in that. But would you do it? I would daisy chain 2 reversed polarity required effects together, but I would be skeptical about daisy chaining them together w/ center negative effects in the same chain. That's just inviting a lot of noise to your chain.
    I'm not big on the daisy chain power supplies, they are not protected. Should you have a short or a surge, you could potentially fry your entire board. I do use a PSU w/ isolated outs as a layer of protection. And unfortunately, on my small board, I do have to daisy chain, because I am powering 11 pedals/switches. However, I am aware of the power requirements of each pedal. And whether pedals need a regulated or unregulated power source, or even if they need to have their own power outlet. Unfortunately, that's where some people run into noise issues.
     
  16. nphase

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    So, if I went with the CIOKs and left the Eventide Space and the EHX Holy Grail to use their own power supplies everything else should be fine?
     
  17. CIOKS support

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    Daisychaining pedals will work in most cases. Also if the polarity of the pedals power jack is different it's doable with a custom made daisy chain cable. The problem arrizes when the ground potential is not the same as power ground. That is the case with positive GND pedals like Fulltone 69' pedal, Soulbender or Octafuzz. You also have a problem when the ground potential of your guitar signal is in-between the power GND and positive. That is the case with Tonebone pedals and the 4-button modelers. The Tonebones must be powered from an isolated source and the modelers will have a decresed dynamic range when daisychained with other 'normal' 12V pedals. You might not hear the difference.

    When this is said if you want to do things right and want to have optimum quality of your guitar sound you just need to do everything right. Buy high quality and good sounding pedals, HQ cables, HQ patch cables and power your pedals of a HQ power supply optimally each from an isolated section. Then you'll have least possibility of loss of dynamics, highs, unwanted hiss or hum.

    Hum from mains or higher freq. noise can be introduced to your guitar signal both through air or cables. When daisy-chaining you have a risk of getting hum due to ground loops or ex. having a digital pedal making noise into another poor filtered analogue pedal through the daisy chain.

    If you can afford it, go isolated! If not, you should make A/B tests what difference it makes to have two pedals daisy chained or isolated. If you hear no difference you can have them powered in parallel via the daisy chain.

    Regards,
    Poul Ciok
     
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  18. CIOKS support

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    I would try to have the Grail powered of the DC10 too and listen if there is any difference when powered of its own adapter. If you hear no difference you have saved extra space and weight.

    Poul Ciok
     
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    Trust CIOKS, they're top class. I use a Schizophrenic for my board, which is rather small and it works absolutely fine.
     
  20. Moe45673

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    Holy crap, Cioks. I just looked at your DC10.

    I have about 11 pedals on my board, 1 of them a Tonebone Hot British (powered on its own). The rest are powered off a godlyke. I was hesitant to buy a PP2+ because I don't get unwanted issues by running in series (noise, tone affected, etc) to a degree where spending ~4-5X the amount on a PP2+ would make it worth it.

    However. However. The DC10 can power all my stompboxes (though I may need to daisy chain one or two of them). And for a mere 200 bucks. If only these were sold in Canada. I'll speak to your US dealer, maybe he can sell to me. The product is designed almost like I custom ordered that, tailor made to my specifications.

    I am duly impressed.
     

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