Recommendations for locking tuners...

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  1. duckbunny

    duckbunny Member

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    Can anyone recommend locking tuners for a recently-acquired moses strat-graphite neck? Any good or bad experiences?
    Thanks!


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  2. Dave

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    The best locking tuners I've ever used are the one's that Tom Anderson puts on his guitars and I can't find them anywhere. I think they're made by Grover, but I'm not 100% sure about that. They don't have a knob on the back, instead there's a slot on the top of each post. You simply put a coin in the slot and hold it as you turn the tuner which causes a shaft to rise up and pinch the string. They look just like non-locking tuners and work great.

    The worst locking tuners I've ever used are the Grover Locking Robomatics. They look similar to the ones found on Tom Anderson guitars, but they're very different in the way they work. They have a metal cap over the post with holes that line up with the holes in the post. The string tension causes the cap to pinch the string as the post turns. I had a lot of problems with the unwound strings slipping when putting on a new set, so much so that I just couldn't live with them.

    So, unless you can get your hands on those lovely tuners that Tom Anderson is using I'd recommend Sperzels. They don't have the highest ratio and they're a bit heavy, but they work very well IMO.
     
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    Never had a problem with the Fender/Schallers on 2 Deluxes. They are easy to use,work smooth & hold well.
     
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    Never had a problem with Schallers, never had a problem with Sperzels. I like the Sperzels better, but I'm prejudiced -- they're made in USA.

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    I second the prior comments about Sperzels (including that they are a wee bit heavy). I have a couple of guitars with them installed, and they have worked quite well for me with no downside.
     
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    there's sperzels, and then there's everything else.
     
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    That sounds somewhat like a description of the PRS/Schaller Phase II low-mass locking tuners. I really like them. With the PRS tuners, though, the coin action screws the post down to clamp the string.
     
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    Gotoh Kluson vintage locking are awesome. They look vintage, are lightweight and...most importantly...work great. Not too easy to find, but a Google search will turn up a few vendors. Never had a problem with a half dozen sets.
     
  9. Eagle1

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    Sperzel, sperzel oh and then there's sperzel,
    The Gotoh Magnun locks are good but a pain to restring and you do have to tighten them down or every time you bend a string they come back flat ( but the only direct replacement for an old Kluson). The schallers are just sperzel copy not as good and more expensive.
    The grover ones are just awful quality Korean crap with huge backlash ,and the newer cam locking ones are not up to holding the High E after a little groove wares in the cam ( sooner than you think ).
     
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    For low mass read low cost.
     
  11. duckbunny

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    Saw these at Stew-Mac. Are these the ones you describe?
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    Gotoh-Kluson vintage locking tuners.




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    Hipshot just came out with a new locking guitar gear. very nice.
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  13. RedLizard

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    Yep, that's them. I didn't buy them at Stew Mac and don't remeber how competitive their price was vs. others. If you google them, you can probably come up with 4-5 options and save a few bucks.

    I have zero complaints on these and have 7-8 guitars using them, some that came as stock equip on my Grosh guitars and some that I had installed on some custom necks made for me by a gentleman at a guitar company that rhymes with Rentz. ;)

    Be very careful to ensure that the tuner holes in your neck match with that of the tuners you buy, as there is no standard and even the slightest difference can be enough to be a problem.
     
  14. DanD

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    Ditto on these.
    I use them on both strat and tele and they work really well.
    Now that I'm in tune I need to start playing better :)

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    BTW, I went back through my records and I bought the Gotoh Kluson Vintage Locking tuners in chrome through www.jmimusic.com . Two sets for $89 shipped about two years ago. If he doesn't show them on his website, he might either have them in stock or get them for you. He (Jim) was very responsive with me.

    StewMac is showing $57/set plus shipping.
     
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    I didn't even know there were others... :):AOK
     
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    I have sperzels on one guitars and planet waves auto-trims on two others both work great.
     
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    Having had Sperzels cut strings where they enter the tuner on several occasions and several different sets of tuners, I shall purchase no more. In fact, Sperzels are a point against a new guitar with them, as I'll immediately replace them.


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    I like Sperzels, & the Gotoh/Kluson-style. The PRS lockers are nice, too. Grovers (for me) sucked.
     
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    http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/tuners/tuners.cfm?fuseaction=guitar_tuners

    the Schaller locking mini tuner. These are small, and with an ebony or MOTS button, are classy to boot. I've tried the Sperzels, Schaller/Fender, Gotoh, Locking Vintage Gotoh, LV Kluson (still have those), Tom Anderson, PRS and others...these are my fave for what that's worth. Also, they're sold individually, so doing a EB Music Man headstock is simple (4+2).
     

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