Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by Tommy Tourbus, Oct 15, 2007.
what's the general consensus of this unit here for a mahogany bodied geetar?
Try it, you'll like it!
I've run the BBQ Bucker (usually with the Genuine Texas neck) in the following guitars:
1978 Les Paul Standard (mahogany) - favorite
2002 PRS CE-22 (mahogany) - 2nd best
2000 PRS Swamp Ash Special (ash) - 3rd best
1984 American Standard Stratocaster (alder) - least favorite
I'm a big fan of it - for what it costs. I've never felt the need to spend $185 for a WCR - the BBQ Bucker works really well for me for $84. I've had them with and without nickel covers and in both 2 and 4 conductor wiring. I do think they shine in a mahogany body tho. It sounds better in my LP than any other guitar I've tried. Scott Splawn (of Splawn amps) is the one who turned me on to it. He has them loaded in the guitar he tests all his amps with. This really worked out well for me since I run my LP with a Quickrod.
I'd sum it up by saying it's a ballsy, punchy, mid-rangey, articulate, grinding pickup. It is by no means overly hot. I'm very happy with the Warren Haynes, Gary Moore, ZZ Top vibe that it gives me.
Does that help?
i tried the bbq/gen texas combo in a couple of mahogany guitars and thought it was too dark. it was a little to much of a distortion pickup for my tastes too. i tried it in a hamer 25th anniversary (mahogany with a small tone chamber) and in a hamer newport pro (mahogany hollow body with spruce top similar to a small bodied 335). the rios didn't stay in for too long. i ended up with a duncan '59 neck and fralin p92 bridge in the 25ht anniversary and fralin unbucker sin the newport pro.
I thought the exact same thing. WCR Darkbursts.. problem solved
I like the Lindy Fralin Applied for PAFs. More of a traditional sounding PU.. If that makes any sense.
I've got a Texas/BBQ set in my McNaught Phoenix. It sounds great in both humbucking and single coil modes; clear, clean, and lots of high end cut with no shrillness. I have WCRs in my new McNaught which sound great but honestly, I like both equally. The WCRs have a fat, warm PAF type tone while the Rios have a more modern aggressive sound IMO.
This has been my experience.
I too have splittable Rio BBQs in a mahogany CE22 and an alder Strat. I like 'em in both. I haven't experienced any excessive darkness at all. Plenty of bite available. Definitely a hot, distortion-type pickup though.
Played the PRS for the first time with the Rios last night. Got lots of compliments from both listeners and others who played it thru my rig:
Sounds great in my LP Custom. If you want to spend $150-200 you will get a better pickup probably. Up to you. It is a little hotter than a PAF (11-12K), but not as hot as say a JB (somewhere around 14k I believe), etc.
Love the Texas/BBQ set in Thorn 29. They sound and react exactly how I wanted them to when describing to Ron what I was after. I can cook up some Texas boogie (as much as my fingers will let me anyway) with this setup, and the split tones are very usable.
BBQ in my '03 LP Standard bridge. Works for me.
I love the BBQ in the bridge of my LP Standard ('02). Just a great, ballsy pickup for hard rock. Can be a little dark sounding. Me likey dark tones though.
I have had similar experiences with a BBQ that I have. I got it out of a Les Paul that I bought to flip. I put correct stock 57's in that LP, so I had the BBQ and an Antiquity that came out of the guitar. The Ant I used in another LP I have, I used the BBQ first in a Korina Gibson V. This axe has a dark meaty sound with a tight mid, soft highs and thunderous bass. The BBQ was too dark and wooley to my ears. I removed it and slapped the Factory Shaw PAF back in the V.
I next tried it on a modded 77 LP special that has been routed for buckers, belongs to the singer in my band. This guitar is a tad over 10 pounds. The BBQ was a little more hot than the guitar needed, but sounded quite good. The guy preferred a Seth Lover SD that we tried, so the BBQ was left with no slot again.
The next one I put it in was a winner. I had my friend's stepson's Gibson worn SG special over at my place to put on a bone nut and dress the frets (the kid plays costantly, wears out frets in a matter of a few months). He recently got a used 97 Lone Star strat with a Pearly Gates p/u in the lead slot. He wanted a pickup for the SG that sounded more like the Strats, so I slapped in the BBQ in place of the stock lead p/u. BINGO!
Man, that pickup suits the SG perfectly. He uses it through a JCM 900 combo with a lot of bottom and gain, with pretty strong midrange grind. The BBQ has extra output, smoother less fizzy distortion, dead quiet. The guitar was a little dark and compressed in stock form. Now it's a fire-breathing monster. The kid told me he has been back on the SG since the swap, and he doesn't have to adjust settings on the Marshall at all when switching between the SG and Lonestar. As a bonus we stuck the Gibby p/u in his modded MIM std Tele at the rhythm position. He was not using the Tele at all, but with the humbucker added, he is now using it for most his clean songs. It has a Rio Grande texas hot Tele bridge p/u BTW, and man that thing cooks also.
I think a bright guitar that needs some extra juice and a tight bottom with a sizzling midrange will take to a Rio Grande BBQ like a duck to water.
A buddy of mine gave me two Rio pups, I installed them in a LP. Wow, sounded great! I always thought they were a Texas neck and BBQ bridge. I removed them and was suprised to find they were both BBQ's (and I don't smoke pot!). Trying them against other humbackers never gave me the thrill of two BBQ's. I find the same parallel when trying to match Strat pups. Your better off with a set of matched (or slightly calibtated ) pick ups.
Perfect segue into my ? The texas neck pup which goes with the BBQ buker seems to have a lot less output. I have a chrome covered BBQ to go in my new lp custom silverburst. I'm considering leaving the 490 in the neck because I've heard they go well with BBQ bukers. The texas is rated a lot lower output than the BBQ. I think it is like BBQ 12 Texas 9. I'm also thinking of going with the dual calibrated for an ash body strat.
I left my stock '95 neck P/U in, and they sound great together. "almost" acoustic like if that makes sense. Nice mid scoop but still projects.
I really dug the one I had, not much into humbucker in general ( I buy a humbucker guitar twice a year then sell em LOL ) it was great for rock
Those with the BBQ in a CE-22, what did you have prior? I am wondering if you had the Dragon IIs. I thiink the BBQ is an improvement ver those. Not so sure about the Dragons, which rock as is.
I agree with most others in this thread... I think they are dark and meaty with high output. I've only tried them in Les Pauls (a '71 LP Custom and my R8) and they make those guitars sound SUPER MEATY. They are dark, though. Too dark for some people.
I first had the single conductor BBQ in my LP Custom and it sounded great. Meaty, but not TOO dark. Then I moved that pickup to my R8 and it got even darker. I bought a 4-conductor BBQ for my LP Custom and it didn't sound dark enough. lol...
I don't know if the different I'm hearing is the pots (the LP Custom had 500k and I think the R8 has 300k, right?), the characteristics of the guitars themselves, or if the 4-conductor BBQ is brighter. Not sure...
The BBQ is pretty hot, runs about 11.5k to 12k on the meter usually. I like the basic tone, but can be dark for some guitars, and a bit too hot for my taste. I really like the Texas in the bridge with Rio Grande's new Buffalo bucker in the neck.
I find the BBQ fairly transparent and works with the natural tone of the guitar. It was very very bright in my brighter guitars, so it depends on the instrument. I don't think it is 'too anything'.......it works with the axe. Nice pickup!