Zoom G3

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  1. rsm

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    I've been digging Zoom since I got the 9002 new back in the day. More recently, I had a G2 which I've since upgraded to the new G2.1Nu (should have purchased the G2Nu as I'm not using the pedal much).

    At NAMM Zoom announced the G3. Anyone else interested?

    Somewhat limited, like a Line6 M9 with amp models, only 3 effects at a time (including the amp). I need to review the detailed specs to see if it will work for me, but the price is right. Sweetwater has the best info / pics so far:

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...term=zoom_g3&gclid=CIv2p7ORx6YCFRRg2godIg_6Gg
     
  2. desdinova

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    My thoughts exactly on the similarities with the M9.

    I like Zoom in general and have a G1Next to take on the road, lessons, etc. Sound quality is not at the same league as, say, Digitech products of similar prices, and I hope they've upgraded their hardware/software for the G3. But Zoom has very nice editing software and serving as a soundcard too, is a bonus.

    I would consider the G3 both as a backup rig and for quickly laying out tracks both at the home studio and while on the road. It's price seems right for what it does.
     
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    at 199$ you can take 2 and have 1 1/2 M13 for the price of an M9....if it sounds good...
     
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    I agree....and the adjustments look easier than with the M9 because of the dedicated displays and knobs. My M9 will likely go on sale.

    I've always liked Zoom's sound, even though they've had some problems with the stigma of being low end. I still love some of the tones I recorded with my 505II back in 2003. I will definitely be checking this unit out...
     
  5. guitarnet70

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    Actually taking 2 would be even more flexible: 1 in front with comp, dirt and eq and 1 in the loop with mod, delay and reverb...midi connected for patch change..does they have midi?
     
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    The G2 sounded very good to me, and the G2.1Nu sounds even better. If you want vintage, organic clean or crunch I'd say look elsewhere, but for modern pristine (not sterile, but very SS) clean and distortion, the Zoom sounds great to me.

    I know they are classified as low end, and I get my fix with my "better" or more costly gear (brands in my sig), but for situations where my vintage tube tones and high end effects aren't a good fit, the Zoom more than fills the gap.

    Good to see some Zoom love around here. I also see that Mustaine has a a model, the G2DM and a few other sig versions are coming out...marketing gimmick, I know but still good to see Zoom trying IMO.

    I plan to get the G3. One of the things that limits the G2 for me is the inabilty to bank down (I have the external footswitch which only does bank up), the inability to bypass the factory banks (my TCE Nova System has this feature), and the inability to randomly select presets.

    A MIDI in where I could use my MIDIMouse to randomly select presets would be a huge improvement for my use...I can use presets without needing individual effect on/off, but to do so I need random access to presets.

    I may sell the G2.1Nu and get a G2Nu (smaller footprint) and a G3 which I hope will fit on a small board. Then, get a loopmaster to have 2 loops, mono out, stereo in for each channel and be able to switch between the 2 Zoom boxes; use one and get the other ready for the next preset I need etc...maybe use the G2 for lead tone presets, and the G3 for rhythm where I can have a dist/od, clean amp and reverb and turn the dist/od on off as needed...no good option. All it would take is MIDI in IMO, can't be that difficult or expensive! Are you listening Zoom? Or Samson?!
     
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    Even though I don't use my g2 anymore, I have a soft spot for zoom going back to the gfx-707. Got a lot of mileage outta that thing & I can't bring myself to part with it.

    So I'm always interested in what they bring to market & have to wonder:

    is the g2nu the same as the g2, only with 'better' od/dist ? And are they noticeably improved ?

    And does the g3 have the same algorithms as the g2nu ? What about cab sims ? If memory serves, this was a weak link in the g2 & one of the reasons I shelved it.
     
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    I thought the G2 effects sounded very good and am happy to see the G3. The amp modeling/distortion leaves a little to be desired though, but I had a soft spot for their Marshall 1959 model.
     
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    They tweaked the models, and did away with a few of them replacing them with more modern high gain options IIRC. I sold my G2 awhile back so I didn't have it to compare to the G2.1Nu.

    From the pics of the G3, I'd say the tweaked the options...for example, in one pic the FD Combo amp has Gain, Treble, Mid, Bass controls, maybe more as I noticed there is a "Page" button; on my G2.1Nu, all I have for the amps are Gain, Tone, Level and I have to use the EQ for tone shaping.

    I'm hoping they provide more effect and amp options with more parameters...still no MIDI though :( I'm resisting preordering until I read the manual.
     
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    The Nu replaced some of the vintage gain optiopns with more modern options, and they tweaked it overall...it sounds a bit better to me. but I sold my G2 awhile back and don't have it to compare to the G2.1Nu.

    The G3 looks like it is getting better tweaking, for example the FD Combo amp (and other Drive models) on my G2.1Nu has Gain, Tone, and Level controls and I have to use the EQ to tone shape. In a pic of the G3, the FD Combo has Gain, Treble, Mid, Bass controls and maybe more as I noticed a Page button. Hoping they tweaked the effects and provide more of them with more parameters...still no MIDI control though. :(
     
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    this looks interesting, i wonder how much delay time it has, wish zoom would put up the manual on their site, i just checked, not there yet.
     
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    I was only able to find one video of the G3 on Youtube... sounded terrible. Hopefully it was just a bad recording & bad demo... Ive always liked ZOOM

    i have a couple ZOOM 9150 Valve DSP processors & they are awesome
     
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    I had one of that together with an ADA MP1 in the old rack times...16u...by back is happy about modelers!
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBukXyRTLDo

    it really sounds like crap...tuning the guitar before the demo would have helped as well....:facepalm
     
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    Good grief that was a terrible demo. Hopefully we can hear something soon that at least uses a tuned guitar. Looks interesting given the features and small foot print.
     
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    If thats the Namm video....if I was ZOOM... I would FIRE that guy that did that DEMO... you should hire a good guitar player & at least someone that tune their guitar to do demos at Namm
     
  17. guitarnet70

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    Probably he forgetten that he should have began demoing the functionality of the tuner function....:jo
     
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    Assuming this has the same core processing and algorithms as the G2.1nu, the higher gain amp patches sound much better than the lower gain from a modelling perspective. The pedal modeling was as good IMHO as Digitech's offerings with an overall lower self noise floor when fed into the front of an amp. However, IMHO the best thing about the G2.1nu's effects were its modulation and time based stuff and how you had a limited ability to stack things up, this looks to take that concept even further. Agreed that if that guy worked for Zoom, he should be fired. That is the only sneak peak of the unit and based on it I get the feeling most would pass, I know I would.
     
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    I have a Zoom G2. from a few years ago. It is still to this day a useful. Though I rarely use it it's not because you can't get really good tone out of it but because I have too many toys. The patch changes are so fast as to be instant. It is an Excellent EFX pedal for what it is and in the right hands is capable of excellent tone.The new one (with three switches) unless they did some upgrade to the modelling, is just a new box wrapping an already good product. Now if it has usb to computer editing and usability as a stand-alone VST plug it would be a deal-maker to me. I have one of Zooms C5.1t USB interfaces with the ZOOM ZFX3 engine and it is fabulous but will only run on 32 bit platforms so it is relegated to my living room computer running Windows XP-32 bit. If the G-3 is running THAT engine AND has the same editing skin AND will runn on 64 bit systems I'd be glad to have one.
     
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    It looks like a lot of things have been addressed since the G2 series came out.

    I like the fact that the G3 has the ability to scroll through banks without having to scroll sequentially through every patch.

    A couple things I am hoping that will be addressed:

    1) I hope that the cab sim is able to be defeated on the 1/4 inch outputs and left active on the XLR. What I've been doing is running my Digitech RP into a Behringer GI-100 so I can run a cabinet-simulated signal to the board and the non-cab-simulated signal to the power amp in on my guitar amp. This would allow me to ditch the GI-100.

    2) I also hope that the 1/4 outs are switchable between instrument level and line level. The G2 was only instrument level. It doesn't have enough output to drive a power amp on it's own. Also the patches weren't voiced for that. It seems they were voiced for either the front of an amp or patching directly to the mixing console (with the cab sim turned on).

    I'm hoping for some kind of amp/line switch similar to the POD.
     
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