Tremelo before or after delay? What type effect is it?

[buddyboysteve]

Looking for opinions. I have a Keeley modded TR2. Wondering where to place it. Before or after my Timefactor and DMM. Also wondering if tremelo is considered modulation or time based effect. Thanks for your insights.

[jezzbo]

Where to place it is up to you.
What do YOU like best.
FYI, I put mine before the Timefactor.

Tremolo is modulation.

[peaky]

Tremolo is amplitude modulation I believe - i.e volume goes up and down. This can either be a smooth sine wave (vintage style), towards a more triangular waveform to a square (essentially on and off - stutter effect).

I always place my effects before my delay (except for a boost which I run after everything) so that the delay pedal acts as a simulated room - i.e the delay adds the ambience from either a small room (reverb/slapback) to a bigger room (long delays) etc. If that makes any sense....

So I sort of treat delay as a seperate entity so that it sounds more natural as the human ear would hear it. At the end of the day there are no rules whatsoever when connecting stuff so experiment - this is what makes guitar such a fun instrument to play - there are almost infinte variables to play around with.

[semi-hollowbody]

Ive tried it before/after dirt...first in modulation, last in modulation...before/after delay...and I prefer it to be the last modulation pedal before delay

But, to be honest I NEVER use tremolo AND chorus or flange or vibe...if I use tremolo its the only modulation Im using at the time or it gets too muddy

And I dont really use tremolo and delay at the same time, maybe a little slapback...and it sounds better before delay rather than after imo
I do like tremolo and reverb...

[bobcs71]

Originally Posted by semi-hollowbody

Ive tried it before/after dirt...first in modulation, last in modulation...before/after delay...and I prefer it to be the last modulation pedal before delay

+1 I keep mine right before the delay.

[muffinMan74]

Interesting question, I use the power tube tremolo in my amp, and it is absolutely last, even post-reverb tank. To me that's the 'original' location of tremolo, I like it. When I had tremolo pedals, if they were mono I'd put them before delay, if a stereo panning type of tremolo I'd put them last to split to 2 amps. I may still snag an effectrode Delta-Trem for this purpose.

[stinkfoot]

Originally Posted by muffinMan74

Interesting question, I use the power tube tremolo in my amp, and it is absolutely last, even post-reverb tank. To me that's the 'original' location of tremolo, I like it.

Couldn't have said it better... I want tremolo dead last - even after reverb, if possible. The only thing that would come after tremolo is a leslie simulator - that's a speaker emulation thing, so to me it sounds most natural after everything else. But that said - the tremolo effect I'm after is the smooth vintage Fender amp thing. If you want a different style of tremolo (helicopter chop, for instance), it might work better in a different location.

Also, don't get yourself hung up on if it's a modulation or "time" effect, letting that decide for you. Try it in different positions, ignore the "rules" and use your ears. What sounds good to you is the correct position.

/Andreas

[jellyroll]

Originally Posted by stinkfoot

Couldn't have said it better... I want tremolo dead last - even after reverb, if possible. The only thing that would come after tremolo is a leslie simulator - that's a speaker emulation thing, so to me it sounds most natural after everything else. But that said - the tremolo effect I'm after is the smooth vintage Fender amp thing. If you want a different style of tremolo (helicopter chop, for instance), it might work better in a different location.

Also, don't get yourself hung up on if it's a modulation or "time" effect, letting that decide for you. Try it in different positions, ignore the "rules" and use your ears. What sounds good to you is the correct position.

/Andreas

I strongly agree with this post. I run it last before booster, but do whatever is best for you.

[Jumpin'JackChow]

Like Semi-Hollobody, I use mine after all other modulation and before delay.

[mad dog]

My trem comes before delay. The one exception is tape echo type delay. Using the RE-201, if I turn the trem pedal on (which is before the RE-201), it totally screws up the sound. won't work. No idea why. So with that setup, I'll use trem after, via the trem section in the Victoria Reverberato.

[frankfalbo]

I like it before the delay if I have tap tempo or some other method of syncing the two up. I don't necessarily mean the two have to be a the same tempo, just in some kind of cool rythmic synergy.

[deathbyska76]

try it just before your delay, and also, after your reverb.

I really liked running my redwitch pentavocal as the last step in the chain, amplitude modulated verb sounds great! But with the goatkeeper, i use it more as a choppy, hard effect, so it now resides after all of my dirt, before my lowpass filter, which is just before my delay.

[yellowecho]

I currently run it before my delay; however, I do switch it up occasionally for effect.
Ask yourself this:

Do I want my stutters to echo or my echos to stutter?

I really like running a hard square wave after an oscillating delay, but for most other applications I run before delay.

[buddyboysteve]

Thanks everybody. I have tried it both ways and seem to prefer it before my delays and reverb. I do like a pulsating delay combo and agree with everyone here that it just seems more natural. Good feedback. I appreciate it.

[rockabilly69]

My Basic Rule Of Thumb...

Trem > Delay > Reverb (last to smooth the tails of the previous noisemakers!)

I use these three effects religiously, and have never found a better order!!!