Avatar 2x12 too boomy!

[telewacker]

I mentioned this in the Guytron appreciation thread. At least with this amp the Avatar is too boomy and unbalanced with mid frequencies, no matter what speakers I've tried. Anyone know of a cab that will emphasize mids more and bottom less? I'm guessing something shallower front to back. Hopefully I can find something of a comparable value so I don't have to lose $$. I'm inthe Bay Area and willing to trade with someone if you're interested.

[IPlayHamers]

Originally posted by telewacker
I mentioned this in the Guytron appreciation thread. At least with this amp the Avatar is too boomy and unbalanced with mid frequencies, no matter what speakers I've tried. Anyone know of a cab that will emphasize mids more and bottom less? I'm guessing something shallower front to back. Hopefully I can find something of a comparable value so I don't have to lose $$. I'm inthe Bay Area and willing to trade with someone if you're interested.

I've never had the problem you mentioned with my Avatar cabs, but I'm using very forward sounding amps (Marshall, VHT, etc.) I hear the Guytron cabs sound pretty amazing. I'd also check out Dr. Z ZBest. Blockhead cabs are great for more vintage tones.

BTW, what type(s) of music do you play? Guitars?, Efeects, etc? What sound are you going for?

Hope this helps.

[Sudsysul]

It has little panache and gets scorned here on occasion, but for Marshall type amps, a good old Marshall 1936 will do exactly what you request - control the bottom better vs. the Avatar. It's the particle board, dampens it down very well IMO. Mine is less efficient and grinds quicker than my Avatar with identical speakers, so if your amp's a 100, this could be a plus too.

They're all over the place and cheap.. just pull the 75T's they come with and stick some V30's and or H30's in there.

The Avatar definitely has a lot of bass, but I confess that I've grown to like the sound quite a bit.

[telewacker]

Originally posted by IPlayHamers
I've never had the problem you mentioned with my Avatar cabs, but I'm using very forward sounding amps (Marshall, VHT, etc.) I hear the Guytron cabs sound pretty amazing. I'd also check out Dr. Z ZBest. Blockhead cabs are great for more vintage tones.

BTW, what type(s) of music do you play? Guitars?, Efeects, etc? What sound are you going for?

Hope this helps.

I play a Tele and my style is blues based. The Guytron tone controls are subtle... I expect with most amps you could roll off sufficient bottom to counteract the problem, but there isn't enough sweep in the Gt100s bass control.

I tried the head with a V30 in a 1x12 and had a much better mix of mids (more) and bass (less), but I'd prefer 2- 12s for better headroom.

[Scott Peterson]

Contact Guy at Guytron and get his opinion. guy@guytron.com

[IPlayHamers]

Originally posted by telewacker
I play a Tele and my style is blues based. The Guytron tone controls are subtle... I expect with most amps you could roll off sufficient bottom to counteract the problem, but there isn't enough sweep in the Gt100s bass control.

I tried the head with a V30 in a 1x12 and had a much better mix of mids (more) and bass (less), but I'd prefer 2- 12s for better headroom.

This may sound crazy, but I'd try a Blue and a greenback in your 212. The Blue would take care of the mids and make that Tele sound really creamy, with more chime. The Greenback would handle upper mids. You'd have to watch your voilume though so you don't blow the speakers.

Another alternative would be to go with a Greenback and a Weber Blue Dog if you needed more power handling.

Also, concider trying some Jensens. Since you play blues, they might be the ticket.

[telewacker]

Originally posted by IPlayHamers
This may sound crazy, but I'd try a Blue and a greenback in your 212. The Blue would take care of the mids and make that Tele sound really creamy, with more chime. The Greenback would handle upper mids. You'd have to watch your voilume though so you don't blow the speakers.

Another alternative would be to go with a Greenback and a Weber Blue Dog if you needed more power handling.

Also, concider trying some Jensens. Since you play blues, they might be the ticket.

I've used a Red fang + G12h30, 2 Weber p12ns, and a V30+G12h30. The last combination sounded the best of the three, but a single V30 in a Deluxe cab sounded the most balanced, that's why I think I need a different 2x12 cab.

The amp already compresses a lot, so the Alnicos didn't work out, although I love them in my vintage Fender amps.

[IPlayHamers]

Perhaps a Guytron 212 with a V30 and a G12H-30 would do the trick?

[johnc]

I'm thinking that you need to get the smallest, narrowest, open-back 2-12 cabinet that you can find to approach the sound of a 1-12 DR. When I say narrow, I mean "not deep" from front to back. I've found the deeper the cabinet the more bass it has.

I think if I were you I'd contact Bob Burt.

[telewacker]

Originally posted by johnc
I'm thinking that you need to get the smallest, narrowest, open-back 2-12 cabinet that you can find to approach the sound of a 1-12 DR. When I say narrow, I mean "not deep" from front to back. I've found the deeper the cabinet the more bass it has.

I think if I were you I'd contact Bob Burt.

Not to suggest that the 1x12 Deluxe cab is the ultimate sound for this amp, just that it was free of the over emphasized low frequencies. But yes, I'm thinking along the lines of a smaller volume cab, or maybe two 1x12s.

I want to thank everyone for their thoughtful advice. I think the Avatar, good a cab as it is, just would work better with a different amp.

[HeeHaw]

I thought my 1936 was wayboomy incomparison with the Avatars I own.

[Sudsysul]

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/sho...717#post599717

We got into a discussion above about a 1936 vs. the Avatar, and I was surprised at the results. I posted that I found the 1936 "more compressed and more controlled." YMMV of course.

[fullerplast]

I heard an Avatar 2x12 cab for the first time at the tonefest this past weekend. It had a pair of Greenbacks and was hooked up to a GDS 18W clone. The match was extremely good IMHO, one of the best 18W's I've heard. No boominess, just well balanced.

One difference was that the owner back mounted the speakers, instead of the normal front mounting that Avatar does stock. I don't know if that would have much of an effect on boominess (actually I doubt it), but you may want to try it.

Your experience is probably just a case of the amp EQ, cabinet EQ, and speaker EQ's all just being too reinforced in the low end, rather than complementary. I suspect you still may be able to find speakers that work for you (you've only scratched the surface of possibilities), but certainly another cabinet could also do the trick. You could also try a closed back on the Avatar to reduce the boominess and tighten it up.

[Matt Gordon]

All 2X12's sound funny in the midrange to me, compared to a 4X12 that is. They're are either boxy, or unclear in the mids. I have to do a huge EQ adjustment from a 4X12 to a 2X12. After the EQing, everything is cool. Might try twisting those knobs a little more!

[HeeHaw]

I rear mounted my speakers in my avatar and cannot tell too much of a difference difference. It's an open back cab anyways, so that may have something to do with it.