The b2 needs more love! What are some songs or instances you know utilizing it?

[vhollund]

Definitely. Especially on Neopolitan endings in minor like here at 1:30



With Beethoven it's a real b9 interval on top of the tonic
Very Nice

[vhollund]

JonR@

Here is a pop song from the 70's i just remembered

[guitarjazz]

Somethings tells me we are talking about two or three different things.

[JonR]

Originally Posted by vhollund

JonR@

Here is a pop song from the 70's i just remembered

Ah-ha, yes - great example of the minor iv chord! (Some great changes in that.)
Not so sure it's implying harmonic major though.
And there's no 13susb9 that I can find.

[JonR]

Originally Posted by guitarjazz

Somethings tells me we are talking about two or three different things.

Yes, I get that feeling too.

[anderson110]

Originally Posted by Penosity

If I remember correctly, "Wherever I May Roam" by Metallica employs heavy use of b2.
Maybe not the genre you were looking for but there it is nonetheless.

Metal is filled with this to the point of cliche.

[Seraphine]

Here you go.. Gypsy Minor.... you might find this works well over major and well as minor key/tones

|----------------------------------11-12----|
|-----------------------9-10-12-13----------|
|----------------8-9-10---------------------|
|-------6-7-9-10----------------------------|
|---7-8-------------------------------------|
|-0-----------------------------------------|


You can come up with something with this, I'm sure.

[projam619]

Originally Posted by vhollund

Charlie Parker use the sound all the time
It's very cliché actually

I think this might be referring to Bird's use of major 3rd to flatted 9th, which became a cliche.

[vhollund]

Yes.

Originally Posted by JonR

Ah-ha, yes - great example of the minor iv chord! (Some great changes in that.)
Not so sure it's implying harmonic major though.
And there's no 13susb9 that I can find.

Gm6 with A in the bass
I hear a dominant sound

[Zero G]

It's all over this tune:

[JonR]

Originally Posted by vhollund

Yes.



Gm6 with A in the bass
I hear a dominant sound

It has D in the bass, every time. I checked .

OK, it's a D-A-D figure, but D is clearly the main bass note. It's not a dominant sound, it's a - well - minor subdominant sound. A tonic 6/4, maybe, but with a b6 extension. (I don't know what the classical symbol for it would be.)

I mean, it's a rare and very attractive sound (and thanks for getting me to transcribe it - I knew the song, but not well enough) - but not a dominant one, and not a 13susb9 one.

Ie, minor IV chords (with 6ths too) are not uncommon, of course - which is what I guess you were saying - but they don't often retain the tonic in the bass. I know lots of songs with root position minor IV chords - and probably lots with 1st inversion minor IV chords (there's one in One Day I'll Fly Away, in the instrumental section); and now I know a song with one in 2nd inversion.
I'm still waiting to hear a song with a 13susb9 in it... (I'm sure they're out there somewhere...)

[JonR]

Originally Posted by Zero G

It's all over this tune:

Uh-huh. Classic phrygian dominant. (aka major phrygian or Spanish phrygian, aka 5th mode harmonic minor.)

[vhollund]

JonR
there are plenty
But you have to know the sound to recognise it. Not only rely on theory.

Here the Gm6 clearly interacts with the A in the bass, and the context of the verse, makes a G melodic minor sound With A in bass. All notes combined.

[JonR]

Originally Posted by vhollund

JonR
there are plenty
But you have to know the sound to recognise it. Not only rely on theory.

I'm not "relying" on theory. I know the sound. I just want some examples of songs with 13susb9 chords in them, and I was under the impression you knew of some specific ones.
No problem if you don't.

Originally Posted by vhollund

Here the Gm6 clearly interacts with the A in the bass, and the context of the verse, makes a G melodic minor sound With A in bass. All notes combined.

Well, it interacts rather more with the Ds rather more than the A. (I think you need to listen again.)

This is the bass part, which is under both the D and Gm6 chords:

|------7-------7---------7-------|-----------
|----7-----7---------7-----------|-----------
|5---------------5---------------|-----------
|--------------------------------|-----------
 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 . . . 4 . . . 
 D   A D   A   D D   A   D

You really think that makes A the root?

[Jeremy_Green]

That sound is all over world music.. very cool.