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[Zero G]

Originally Posted by Tito83

There's no "key of D mixolydian". It's D, just D.

So you're saying it's in D major?

[909one]

Originally Posted by Tito83

There's no "key of D mixolydian". It's D, just D.

Dude,
you are totally wrong, if you said key of D people would assume you meant key of Dmajor, that's (DEF#GABC#D).
However there is a C major chord in this song, therefore its pretty logical to assume that for all intents and purposes that a C# would completely clash with the C chord. But it totally works to play a natural C, which makes the scale (DEF#GABCD). That is also labeled a D mixolydian. I've heard people call this the dominant scale because it works over dominant 7th chords so well because the flat 7 creates a tritone with the third (I believe), just like a dominant 7th chord. Regardless of all that, because classic key signature does NOT label things in modes, you have to signify it as its relative root mode, which is G!

However you label it, it IS NOT strictly just the key of D. If you say that it implies to me and everyone I know the key of D Major. Sorry, you are wrong. You could say the key of D major with a flatted 7th, D mixolydian, or from my warped perspective G major. All give you exactly the same cluster of notes, which is all that matters.

[Tito83]

Originally Posted by Zero G

So you're saying it's in D major?

Originally Posted by 909one

Dude,
you are totally wrong, if you said key of D people would assume you meant key of Dmajor, that's (DEF#GABC#D).
However there is a C major chord in this song, therefore its pretty logical to assume that for all intents and purposes that a C# would completely clash with the C chord. But it totally works to play a natural C, which makes the scale (DEF#GABCD). That is also labeled a D mixolydian. I've heard people call this the dominant scale because it works over dominant 7th chords so well because the flat 7 creates a tritone with the third (I believe), just like a dominant 7th chord. Regardless of all that, because classic key signature does NOT label things in modes, you have to signify it as its relative root mode, which is G!

However you label it, it IS NOT strictly just the key of D. That implies to me and everyone I know the key of D Major. Sorry, you are wrong. You could say the key of D major with a flatted 7th, D mixolydian, or from my warped perspective G major. All give you exactly the same cluster of notes, which is all that matters.

It's just D. To say the key is D major does not implicate in only using the 7 notes from the D major scale. You got that wrong.

[Zero G]

And what key does "just D" belong to, Tito?

[Tito83]

Originally Posted by Zero G

And what key does "just D" belong to, Tito?

Key of D (major). Did I miss anything?

[Zero G]

Originally Posted by Tito83

Key of D (major). Did I miss anything?

By a mile. Where does the C chord in SHA fit in D major?

[909one]

Originally Posted by Tito83

Key of D (major). Did I miss anything?

I don't know man, every person and band I have ever played with says "This song is in the key Amin, this is in the key of D Major, etc. Just saying D doesn't tell me anything except for that the tonic is D. If I showed up a jam and didn't know the tune Sweet Home Alabama, and someone said, "yeah its in D" I would be playing mostly the right stuff but every time I hit that C# people would look at me funny. The point is, you need to specify the what you are playing. The key of D leads me to believe D major but that wouldn't be totally correct. Yes, SHA is in the key of D, but you have to specify or it does nobody any good.

In one theory class in college, my professor said that it was common for jazz musicians to throw up fingers up or down to signify the number of sharps or flats in a tune. Thats the base point at which to start with when playing with other people. If someone threw one finger up for the SHA tune at a jam session, that implies 1 sharp. That means all natural notes, except play the first sharp in the order of sharps for key signatures, F#, C#, G#, etc. In this case that's an F#. A jazz musician may read that as G major if he didn't know the tune. However, he/she would quickly figure out the tonic and then realize that's a G major scale implied over a D tonic. That's a D mixolydian. If you just say D, most people I know would assume D Major, which is NOT the right key for the song, its D mixolydian.

[909one]

Originally Posted by Zero G

By a mile. Where does the C chord in SHA fit in D major?

THANK YOU!

[RLD]

909,
In the future, when correcting Tito, please use caps.

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Thanks.

[mike walker]

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[Tito83]

Originally Posted by Zero G

By a mile. Where does the C chord in SHA fit in D major?

It doesn't fit D major SCALE, but it's not a problem in the key of D.

Originally Posted by 909one

I don't know man, every person and band I have ever played with says "This song is in the key Amin, this is in the key of D Major, etc. Just saying D doesn't tell me anything except for that the tonic is D. If I showed up a jam and didn't know the tune Sweet Home Alabama, and someone said, "yeah its in D" I would be playing mostly the right stuff but every time I hit that C# people would look at me funny. The point is, you need to specify the what you are playing. The key of D leads me to believe D major but that wouldn't be totally correct. Yes, SHA is in the key of D, but you have to specify or it does nobody any good.

In one theory class in college, my professor said that it was common for jazz musicians to throw up fingers up or down to signify the number of sharps or flats in a tune. Thats the base point at which to start with when playing with other people. If someone threw one finger up for the SHA tune at a jam session, that implies 1 sharp. That means all natural notes, except play the first sharp in the order of sharps for key signatures, F#, C#, G#, etc. In this case that's an F#. A jazz musician may read that as G major if he didn't know the tune. However, he/she would quickly figure out the tonic and then realize that's a G major scale implied over a D tonic. That's a D mixolydian. If you just say D, most people I know would assume D Major, which is NOT the right key for the song, its D mixolydian.

The key is D. I'd except you'd understand it's major for starters as it's the convention.

Why wouldn't the musician imply the other way around? You'd call in D, and he/she would quickly grasp the bluesy nature of the tune and play accordingly.

The sharp/flat thing has no place in this talk, really. Some will write with D major key signature because it's actually in D, but some will write it as G to avoid the C#'s, and that's it. Key is not the same as key signature. The key of SHA is D... You get it's major, right ?

[Zero G]

Originally Posted by Tito83

It doesn't fit D major SCALE, but it's not a problem in the key of D.

Bzzzzt, wrong again, Tito. You said the song is in the key of D major. In the key of D major, there is a C#, not a C, and that C# is a diminished triad, not a major one. You are displaying that you don't really understand how keys are constructed. You build a key's triads from it's scale. You can scream that it's in D major at the top of your lungs for your entire life and you'll still be wrong. The tonal center is D mixolydian, which is part of G major. If you play the triads from the G major scale over the song, they all fit, whereas it's not the case with D major. Try playing a C#dim arp over the song and report back with the results. Honestly, I don't get your abjection to G major here. If the shoe fits....

[arthur rotfeld]

C is bVII in the key of D.

[Zero G]

Originally Posted by arthur rotfeld

C is bVII in the key of D.

Nope.

[Tito83]

Originally Posted by Zero G

Bzzzzt, wrong again, Tito. You said the song is in the key of D major. In the key of D major, there is a C#, not a C, and that C# is a diminished triad, not a major one. You are displaying that you don't really understand how keys are constructed. You build a key's triads from it's scale. You can scream that it's in D major at the top of your lungs for your entire life and you'll still be wrong. The tonal center is D mixolydian, which is part of G major. If you play the triads from the G major scale over the song, they all fit, whereas it's not the case with D major. Try playing a C#dim arp over the song and report back with the results. Honestly, I don't get your abjection to G major here. If the shoe fits....

Key is not key signature.

In the key signature of D major, which spells out the notes of the D major scale, there's no C. Correct.

In the key of D major there's no problem.


Sorry, dude, you've got it all wrong.