I prefer Roth Van Halen

[jtindle]

I believe if VH started with Sammy and then went to DLR everyone would say they loved early VH more. I'm not a big VH fan either way but I do like the early music better. I just think with most any band everyone likes their early stuff better. And this early band just happen to have DLR.

[DWB1960]

Originally Posted by jtindle

I believe if VH started with Sammy and then went to DLR everyone would say they loved early VH more. I'm not a big VH fan either way but I do like the early music better. I just think with most any band everyone likes their early stuff better. And this early band just happen to have DLR.

Cue the Sammy haters in 5... 4... 3... 2.....

[SteveO]

1984 came out during my freshman year, but for the rest of high school it was Van Hagar. Tons of great memories to that music, and because of that the Sammy era will always be my favorite.

[badhorsie551]

Originally Posted by jtindle

I believe if VH started with Sammy and then went to DLR everyone would say they loved early VH more. I'm not a big VH fan either way but I do like the early music better. I just think with most any band everyone likes their early stuff better. And this early band just happen to have DLR.

VH would have never had the same impact then and thus never been as big or as popular in the early years if Sammy was the original singer.

The way EVH played and sounded in those early years with the songs DLR sang and helped write are the reason why anyone remembers VH. I'm a bigger fan of the Roth era but i enjoy the sammy era as well. It was much different in terms of style of music, stage show persona,and the simple fact that EVH played guitar much different in the band with Sammy.

[DWB1960]

Originally Posted by badhorsie551

VH would have never had the same impact then and thus never been as big or as popular in the early years if Sammy was the original singer.

That's just your opinion. There's a chance that they could have been just as big. We'll never know.

[SteveO]

The only Van Halen albums to hit #1 on the charts were with Hagar, and all four albums with him hit that position. Also, the Hagar era produced their best-selling album. They did all right with Sammy.

[big mike]

Originally Posted by badhorsie551

VH would have never had the same impact then and thus never been as big or as popular in the early years if Sammy was the original singer.

The way EVH played and sounded in those early years with the songs DLR sang and helped write are the reason why anyone remembers VH. I'm a bigger fan of the Roth era but i enjoy the sammy era as well. It was much different in terms of style of music, stage show persona,and the simple fact that EVH played guitar much different in the band with Sammy.

Yeah cause no one's ever heard of Montrose.

Sammy was selling out stadiums BY HIMSELF before joining VH. He took a paycut to play with EVH.

[JohnK24]

Originally Posted by big mike

Sammy Rules.

Yeah, imagine that a lead singer that can SING !...Roth is the village idiot, imho

[badhorsie551]

Originally Posted by SteveO

The only Van Halen albums to hit #1 on the charts were with Hagar, and all four albums with him hit that position. Also, the Hagar era produced their best-selling album. They did all right with Sammy.

Which album was that? VH 1 and 1984 are both certified diamond.

[SteveO]

Originally Posted by badhorsie551

Which album was that? VH 1 and 1984 are both certified diamond.

I might remember incorrectly, but I thought that 5150 was their biggest seller. I do remember that the Hagar albums all hit #1, which were the only albums from the band to do so, so either way it's kinda goofy to speculate that they couldn't have done it with Sammy in the beginning.

[nondeplume]

Originally Posted by carbz

I think the best footage around with Sam is from Cabo Mexico... Evidence...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5vFuMQTXmI

Not to be a total TGP dweeb, but that's a Soldano and looks like Ampeg or Boogie or...? This and the LWOAN have that 'sound', that 'inner' thing, he's been missing for awhile, the mojo, the sweet spot, the 'feel'.

And it's not the gain, it's just the way the gain is, nobody gets that, not even him anymore, I miss it...idk....maybe it was a boost pedal...lol.

Here

[badhorsie551]

Just to clarify my statement.

It was a different time, a different place, a different EVH in the early years that helped propel the band to what they were.

It's hard to say if Sammy was in the band originally people would have loved them as much because we really don't know. Who knows what kind of music they would been writing in the early years ( we can't say for sure it would be the same music just minus roth's vocals and melodies because he was part of the arrangement and maybe a spark for creativity musically for EVH who knows).

What is known is VH was one of the biggest rock bands at the time when DLR left and Sammy was the right place at the right time with the right songs to help get those albums to number 1. That elusive number 1 for the roth era may be misleading since the Roth era definitely sold more records but never reached number 1 (look it up).

I'm one of those weird fans that actually love both eras of the band. I got into them during the Sammy era but i started to appreciate DLR era more when i started to learn how to play guitar.

Lets just say VH is one of those bands that actually pulled off a lead singer change and still maintained their superstar status. Also one of the only bands were fans are divided between the 2 lead singers and some absolutely hate one or the other or some love both. :P

[SteveO]

Originally Posted by badhorsie551

Just to clarify my statement.

It was a different time, a different place, a different EVH in the early years that helped propel the band to what they were.

It's hard to say if Sammy was in the band originally people would have loved them as much because we really don't know. Who knows what kind of music they would been writing in the early years ( we can't say for sure it would be the same music just minus roth's vocals and melodies because he was part of the arrangement and maybe a spark for creativity musically for EVH who knows).

What is known is VH was one of the biggest rock bands at the time when DLR left and Sammy was the right place at the right time with the right songs to help get those albums to number 1. That elusive number 1 for the roth era may be misleading since the Roth era definitely sold more records but never reached number 1 (look it up).

I'm one of those weird fans that actually love both eras of the band. I got into them during the Sammy era but i started to appreciate DLR era more when i started to learn how to play guitar.

Lets just say VH is one of those bands that actually pulled off a lead singer change and still maintained their superstar status. Also one of the only bands were fans are divided between the 2 lead singers and some absolutely hate one or the other or some love both. :P

Another thought to consider (which has nothing to do with the other discussion) is that the majority of the Roth albums were released before compact discs were available, so I would imagine that a lot of people who bought them new on vinyl came back and bought them again when they were released on disc.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by blood5150

Eddie's performances on "5150", "Summer Nights" and "Get Up" were amazing on Live Without a Net.

I really think that he was at the top of his game at this point....

Agreed. The solo on Summer Nights still kills me.

[Brian D]

Definitely the peak of that particular incarnation of the band, as far as concerts go. I've seen Van Halen four times (three with Sammy and one with Dave), and that tour was the best all-around show for me. Roth was phoning it in on the "1984" tour, and Eddie was playing pretty loose as well... and not in a good way. Sammy used that same "run-up-in-the-rigging" trick for his "I Can't Drive 55" tour a year or two before this show.