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Old 04-24-2013, 08:41 PM
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I would buy that thing, strip off the top and put a Zakk Wylde bullseye on there.
If you did, Zakk Wylde would probably come to your house and kick your ass.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:26 AM
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He is probably paying ebay over $1K for his reserve! I tried to reserve price something for $1900 and they were charging $19!

If I bought this, I would be buying a vintage bigsby and righting that wrong faster than you can say "Bigsby's don't stay in tune!". Bigsby's on Les Pauls are a requirement in this household!


You know a guitar that has been played this much has to sound fantastic!
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:58 AM
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I'll take it!

but i'm going to go with a "dimeslime" finish asap
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:00 AM
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What if the original owner was a total hack who couldn't play in tune if his life depended on it? Would those many years of "non-harmonic vibrations" coursing thru the grain of that wood tend to put undue "stress" on it - possibly altering its sound in a very negative way???

IOW, it's entirely possible that that LP sounds like hammered sh#t...

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Old 04-25-2013, 08:53 AM
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Hmmm... might have been rewired, doesn't have the "59 wiring" on the tone control (of course it is a '58, shouldn't this have it as well?)
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:54 AM
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I would take this over that mint 59 in the other thread. Just sayin'.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:59 AM
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He is probably paying ebay over $1K for his reserve! I tried to reserve price something for $1900 and they were charging $19!
Nah, there is a maximum of $50 on auctions. http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:10 AM
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What if the original owner was a total hack who couldn't play in tune if his life depended on it? Would those many years of "non-harmonic vibrations" coursing thru the grain of that wood tend to put undue "stress" on it - possibly altering its sound in a very negative way???

IOW, it's entirely possible that that LP sounds like hammered sh#t...

Absolutely, thats always been a silly idea to me, "if its clean, it probably sounds bad...if its beat, it must sound great".

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Hmmm... might have been rewired, doesn't have the "59 wiring" on the tone control (of course it is a '58, shouldn't this have it as well?)
The vintage as opposed to modern wiring thing has been blown out of proportion. Both types of wiring were used in the '50's.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:25 AM
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the bigsby holes let the extra tone in. Seriously cool looking guitar though.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:16 AM
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If I had that sort of $$$, I'd be all over that guitar.
Great top, and it has tons of character.

Yup - I'd be all over that.
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:10 PM
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I would take this over that mint 59 in the other thread. Just sayin'.
Now that I think about it, me too.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:06 PM
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Absolutely, thats always been a silly idea to me, "if its clean, it probably sounds bad...if its beat, it must sound great".
Vintage guitars that are dead mint clean haven't been played. That's not the rule but I'd say it's more the case. So ask yourself, why wasn't it played? Most likely because it wasn't good.

Ever play one of those ultra cleanies? Not every good. Ever play a worn vintage guitar? Most times (not all) GREAT!
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:27 PM
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Vintage guitars that are dead mint clean haven't been played. That's not the rule but I'd say it's more the case. So ask yourself, why wasn't it played? Most likely because it wasn't good.

Ever play one of those ultra cleanies? Not every good. Ever play a worn vintage guitar? Most times (not all) GREAT!
Oh I get why people say it, but that idea assumes that every guitar has been given equal opportunity to be played, which is in no way true. I've played enough good and bad vintage guitars to know that there is no "likely" or "in most cases". Every guitar is different, that goes for super clean ones, and beat to shit ones.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:07 PM
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Vintage guitars that are dead mint clean haven't been played. That's not the rule but I'd say it's more the case. So ask yourself, why wasn't it played? Most likely because it wasn't good.

Ever play one of those ultra cleanies? Not every good. Ever play a worn vintage guitar? Most times (not all) GREAT!
Not to be disagreeable, BUT - Keep in mind that the "Vintage" guitar market has been around for several decades now - so, it's long been common public knowledge as to their "worth" in the marketplace... Thank guys like George Gruhn for that...

Moreover, the reality is that the vast majority of the pre-1961 Les Pauls in really good condition have been "culled-out" many years ago, and those particular LP's have taken up residence in the hands of people who well knew their value years ago, and who have guarded the condition of their investments down thru the years - probably more so than even the original owner did...
Consequently, those particular "investment grade" guitars have remained in the same GOOD CONDITION that they were in when the vintage market became a reality those several decades ago...

The point here is this: If you do come across a pre-1961 LP for sale that is ragged-out a bit, that guitar has been ragged-out FOR DECADES now - well before it's present value as a "vintage instrument" was known...
And - the logical fact is this: It is presently in it's ragged-out condition because it was not taken care of in the first place - and not because somebody played the sh#t out of it because it sounded so much better than its contemporaries did...


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Old 04-26-2013, 06:09 AM
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BUT, with all things being equal, if you were to say Rob, here is a room of guitars. You have to pick one of them. You can't play it first. You are going to be recording and going on tour with (insert dream band here...) and the (dream band) has excellent security, pick now!

If I were looking at these two guitars, I would pick the beat one. Both the average gigging guitarist and the pro won't put up with a true dog for long. It takes sweat to eat into a finish like that, and a bedroom/couch warrior just isnt going to be able to do enough damage. A total hack wouldn't be able to gig for long. So if I'm looking at a mint guitar, I know right away that it hasn't been played much, or at least it hasnt seen the kind of playing that gets a guitar beat up (gigging). I don't know WHY it wasn't, only that it wasnt. Maybe a dentist bought it in 59, didnt know how to play it and an annoying guitar geek bought it from his dentist in 1972 and sold it for his house in 2005. Maybe it sucks. No way to tell.

The road dog beat up guitar says that someone played it enough to give it some love marks. I can tell it wasn't left in a barn or something (the wear marks are play marks, not abuse).

With no other facts to go on, I'm getting the ebay guitar!
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