Line 6 M9 vs DL4

[stilwel]

It works exactly the same as the M13....and Minus The Bear is using M13's.

[sascha]

There may be a few things that a DL-4 can do and M9 cannot. Like the corrected "phasey modulation" thing mentioned above. Another thing that was not yet mentioned in this thread:

On a DL-4, you can tap in the tempo of a delay, play it in time with the song, and if you need some craziness, like in the outro, you can turn up the feedback control and mess around with the delay time control for pitch-gliding UFO sounds. Works of course best if the position of the delay time knob is relatively close to the tapped tempo, as turning the delay time knob will cause a "hard jump" from the tapped tempo to the tempo dialled in. This "hard jump" could be avoided with the "relative mode" on the M9. But, alas, the M9 doesn't support "first tap tempo, then go from there to pitch-gliding frenzy" at all.

On a M9, you can EITHER set delay time to "analogueish time mode". Then get just the behaviour like on a DL-4 (or on a normal analog delay), with pitch gliding craziness. BUT, in this mode, the delay will not react to tap tempo at all. OR you can set the delay time to tap mode. As a big improvement over the DL-4, you can now get rhythmic subdivisions (like dotted 8ths etc) from tapped 4th for any delay model. BUT, in this mode, you will not get any pitch-gliding craziness when turning the delay time knob. You first have to turn the delay time knob way up to change from "tap time" to "analogueish delay time" or back. So no way of playing a riff with tapped tempo for some time, then turning up the feedback and letting the riff go crazy (think of the end of Radiohead's "Karma Police").

So I still hope for Line6 to add a global option "tap tempo also effects delays set to analogueish delay time mode, in normal 4ths" for the M9 and M13.

Still, I'm gonna sell my DL-4 and get the M9. Too much great improvements in there.

Sascha

[deek]

wow S, thanks for the insight. this real time tweeking is a MUST for me as I'm constantly doing this to my DL4 and creating some awesome ambiance. Man, that's a huge downer for me as I love this ability on the DL4 to react like an analog pedal. Makes me reconsider getting the M9 now. Sounds dramatic but I'm a real time/live tweek meister during shows. Maybe they can fix this on a software upgrade...

[sleepyone]

stilwel, sascha, thanks so much guys!
ok, I'm definitely getting an M9 hehehe
btw, didn't know that dave from MTB was using the m13!

[sleepyone]

So sorry 'bout the double post, but a another question just popped up...what about having one delay set to work with tap tempo and another one to work in "analogue mode"? I mean within one scene...can you do that? Or is that like a global setting that will affect every delay you may have on one scene?

[stilwel]

^^^ You can definitely do that. You can setup each individual delay to be either by ms or by bpm.

[hangten]

I own both.

for me,
M9 wins, no contest really.

[sleepyone]

Originally Posted by stilwel

^^^ You can definitely do that. You can setup each individual delay to be either by ms or by bpm.

does the milliseconds measuring correspond to the "analogue" style and BPM to tap (via footswitch)?
also, I checked out and it seems like dave from MTB is still using his DL-4s for the looping stuff...so, I'm still worried I won't get the same "reaction" from the M9 when looping as I can get from the DL-4...Rich! where are you!? hahahahaha
Still, thx so much Stilwel