Line 6 M9 vs DL4

[stilwel]

It works exactly the same as the M13....and Minus The Bear is using M13's.

[sascha]

There may be a few things that a DL-4 can do and M9 cannot. Like the corrected "phasey modulation" thing mentioned above. Another thing that was not yet mentioned in this thread:

On a DL-4, you can tap in the tempo of a delay, play it in time with the song, and if you need some craziness, like in the outro, you can turn up the feedback control and mess around with the delay time control for pitch-gliding UFO sounds. Works of course best if the position of the delay time knob is relatively close to the tapped tempo, as turning the delay time knob will cause a "hard jump" from the tapped tempo to the tempo dialled in. This "hard jump" could be avoided with the "relative mode" on the M9. But, alas, the M9 doesn't support "first tap tempo, then go from there to pitch-gliding frenzy" at all.

On a M9, you can EITHER set delay time to "analogueish time mode". Then get just the behaviour like on a DL-4 (or on a normal analog delay), with pitch gliding craziness. BUT, in this mode, the delay will not react to tap tempo at all. OR you can set the delay time to tap mode. As a big improvement over the DL-4, you can now get rhythmic subdivisions (like dotted 8ths etc) from tapped 4th for any delay model. BUT, in this mode, you will not get any pitch-gliding craziness when turning the delay time knob. You first have to turn the delay time knob way up to change from "tap time" to "analogueish delay time" or back. So no way of playing a riff with tapped tempo for some time, then turning up the feedback and letting the riff go crazy (think of the end of Radiohead's "Karma Police").

So I still hope for Line6 to add a global option "tap tempo also effects delays set to analogueish delay time mode, in normal 4ths" for the M9 and M13.

Still, I'm gonna sell my DL-4 and get the M9. Too much great improvements in there.

Sascha

[deek]

wow S, thanks for the insight. this real time tweeking is a MUST for me as I'm constantly doing this to my DL4 and creating some awesome ambiance. Man, that's a huge downer for me as I love this ability on the DL4 to react like an analog pedal. Makes me reconsider getting the M9 now. Sounds dramatic but I'm a real time/live tweek meister during shows. Maybe they can fix this on a software upgrade...

[sleepyone]

stilwel, sascha, thanks so much guys!
ok, I'm definitely getting an M9 hehehe
btw, didn't know that dave from MTB was using the m13!

[sleepyone]

So sorry 'bout the double post, but a another question just popped up...what about having one delay set to work with tap tempo and another one to work in "analogue mode"? I mean within one scene...can you do that? Or is that like a global setting that will affect every delay you may have on one scene?

[stilwel]

^^^ You can definitely do that. You can setup each individual delay to be either by ms or by bpm.

[hangten]

I own both.

for me,
M9 wins, no contest really.

[sleepyone]

Originally Posted by stilwel

^^^ You can definitely do that. You can setup each individual delay to be either by ms or by bpm.

does the milliseconds measuring correspond to the "analogue" style and BPM to tap (via footswitch)?
also, I checked out and it seems like dave from MTB is still using his DL-4s for the looping stuff...so, I'm still worried I won't get the same "reaction" from the M9 when looping as I can get from the DL-4...Rich! where are you!? hahahahaha
Still, thx so much Stilwel

[disguiseglasses]

Originally Posted by stilwel

It works exactly the same as the M13....and Minus The Bear is using M13's.

They are?! Whoa.
I was not aware of that.
Balls! It's only getting more and
more difficult to NOT purchase an M9!

[disguiseglasses]

Oh! A quick search yielded the following:
http://www.gearwire.com/media/line6-...ler-review.mov

[deathbyska76]

the analog "pitch glide" delay sounds are totally possible on the m9, and it really takes no time or effort to get back into your tap tempo sync'd delays... so I dont know why you would make a point to complain about it.

oh no! i have to turn my top middle knob ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT WHEN I WANT IT TO GO BACK TO TAP TEMPO?!??!!? AWWWWWWWWWWWW.

hehe. im just playing.

But seriously, if you're even considering getting a DL4, why spend so much money and not get all the other cool shit in the M9!!???

[sascha]

Originally Posted by deathbyska76

the analog "pitch glide" delay sounds are totally possible on the m9, and it really takes no time or effort to get back into your tap tempo sync'd delays... so I dont know why you would make a point to complain about it.

oh no! i have to turn my top middle knob ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT WHEN I WANT IT TO GO BACK TO TAP TEMPO?!??!!? AWWWWWWWWWWWW.

hehe. im just playing.

But seriously, if you're even considering getting a DL4, why spend so much money and not get all the other cool shit in the M9!!???

Man, I'm not complaining :-)

I was answering a question like "can the M9 do *everything* that the DL-4 can do?" - answer: 98% yes, but not 100%. One model's modulation has been improved (some like the sound of the old one better). And with the DL-4, you can do the "Karma Police ending" thing with a live drummer: Tap a tempo, play a riff that delays with the drummers tempo, then turn the feedback all the way up and play around with the delay time knob to get crazy glitching sounds. When you do this with the M9, you have to go via "knob all the way right / loooong delay time" setting, which can have interesting results, but is definately not what you can do with the DL-4. However, you can get close by setting up two DL-4 models in the M9, one set to tap tempo and the other with a delay time set closely to the tempo that the drummer will probably play. Then play the song with the tap tempo delay and switch over to the milliseconds-based delay shortly before the ending.

I knew those two things before I bought my M9, and I still bought it, and I still plan to sell my DL-4. M9 has many great advantages. One of those advantages is the "relative mode". Now if that relative mode could be combined with an "Delay time in MS that still reacts to tapping quarters"-option, the M9 would have even more to offer.

Best wishes,

Sascha

[bine]

Originally Posted by sascha

Man, I'm not complaining :-)

I was answering a question like "can the M9 do *everything* that the DL-4 can do?" - answer: 98% yes, but not 100%. One model's modulation has been improved (some like the sound of the old one better). And with the DL-4, you can do the "Karma Police ending" thing with a live drummer: Tap a tempo, play a riff that delays with the drummers tempo, then turn the feedback all the way up and play around with the delay time knob to get crazy glitching sounds. When you do this with the M9, you have to go via "knob all the way right / loooong delay time" setting, which can have interesting results, but is definately not what you can do with the DL-4. However, you can get close by setting up two DL-4 models in the M9, one set to tap tempo and the other with a delay time set closely to the tempo that the drummer will probably play. Then play the song with the tap tempo delay and switch over to the milliseconds-based delay shortly before the ending.

Hi, can you please explain this further? The differences, I mean. Can you do the Karma Police ending with a DL-4?

And, if you instead set the M9 to a certain millisecond value, would it react the same way that you described in your first post? I mean if you calculate which millisecond value setting to use.

Thanks in advance,
Bine

[Pietro]

I got an M13 intending to replace only my DL4, and ended up selling most of my pedals... In fact, when I need to, I can run just the M13, no problem.

[deathbyska76]

Originally Posted by sascha

Now if that relative mode could be combined with an "Delay time in MS that still reacts to tapping quarters"-option, the M9 would have even more to offer.

the beauty of updates thats why im so glad i've got me an m9. i mean, look how long the POD series has been around!