Getting the stink-eye even with smaller amps. - Page 2

cbguy · #16 05-10-2012, 11:49 AM

I would suggest a tilt-back stand or positioning as side fill as places to start.

mannish · #17 05-10-2012, 11:53 AM

I usually run it in the 7+ range.

I disagree with you but that's cool

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Originally Posted by Stu Blue

Running your guitar at max all the time is fine, as long as you don't mind never working with a really top notch singer....

A properly set up strat/tele/P90 sounds great from 1 to 10 on the guitar volume on my maxed out JTM45.... if you need to max the guitar vol the set-up needs looking at.

Kitten Cannon · #18 05-10-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu Blue

Running your guitar at max all the time is fine, as long as you don't mind never working with a really top notch singer....

A properly set up strat/tele/P90 sounds great from 1 to 10 on the guitar volume on my maxed out JTM45.... if you need to max the guitar vol the set-up needs looking at.

That's not necessarily wrong, but it's also not necessarily right. It's not like the amp doesn't have a volume control too...

I usually go between 6 and 10. Does this mean I should stop accepting money when I play, because I'm obviously just a lame-ass amateur?

Valus · #19 05-10-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sacakl

EQ on the amp can play a role as well that might make things a little too punchy. Angling the amp differently will help, too.

Agreed 100 percent. Even if you're amp isn't running very loud, an icepicky tone gets old fast. You might want to start there.

As someone else mentioned, side fill that thing and mic it. That will help. Though, if you're way to loud or your EQ is for s***, the band will complain.

Have you asked your bandmates for their opinion. If it's so bad the club owner is asking them to play without you, you've clearly got a serious issume somehwhere. Surely they've noticed it.

Rupe · #20 05-10-2012, 12:05 PM

There's been a lot of good advice here, but lets not forget that we're talking about an 18-watt amp. You should be able to crank it without pissing off the soundman, as long as its not blowing right at him (turn it around or use it as a side fill). A cranked ~20w amp can just barely hang with a drummer in many cases. If yours is anything like my old one (or my Deluxe Reverb) it doesn't get any louder after 3...just more saturated. Point being, saying you only run it on 3 or 4 doesn't really mean that its any quieter than it is when dimed...in fact with less compression at that setting it may actually sound louder.

Valus · #21 05-10-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu Blue

Running your guitar at max all the time is fine, as long as you don't mind never working with a really top notch singer....

A properly set up strat/tele/P90 sounds great from 1 to 10 on the guitar volume on my maxed out JTM45.... if you need to max the guitar vol the set-up needs looking at.

This, wow, I don't even know what to say to this. Ther's tons and tons of fanastic guitarists out there playing with incredible singers that don't ride their volume knob all night.

madryan · #22 05-10-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupe

There's been a lot of good advice here, but lets not forget that we're talking about an 18-watt amp. You should be able to crank it without pissing off the soundman, as long as its not blowing right at him (turn it around or use it as a side fill). A cranked ~20w amp can just barely hang with a drummer in many cases. If yours is anything like my old one (or my Deluxe Reverb) it doesn't get any louder after 3...just more saturated. Point being, saying you only run it on 3 or 4 doesn't really mean that its any quieter than it is when dimed...in fact with less compression at that setting it may actually sound louder.

Depends on the amp. Depends on the plate voltage the tubes are running at. Depends on how efficient the speakers are, etc.

My 20w Jet City head is super loud. It's as loud for all practical purposes as the 50w Jubilee clone I built because I built the Jube with lower B+ than historically "Normal" so it's a bit quieter.

A Marshall bluesbreaker will destroy the stage mix if you crank it up. Especially in a club.

lefty kwan · #23 05-10-2012, 12:22 PM

I find if there's too much of a jump from rhythm volume to lead volume it can annoy people, and sound like you're playing too loud.

HurricaneJesus · #24 05-10-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Valus

Agreed 100 percent. Even if you're amp isn't running very loud, an icepicky tone gets old fast. You might want to start there.

As someone else mentioned, side fill that thing and mic it. That will help. Though, if you're way to loud or your EQ is for s***, the band will complain.

Have you asked your bandmates for their opinion. If it's so bad the club owner is asking them to play without you, you've clearly got a serious issume somehwhere. Surely they've noticed it.

I agree and that's why I'm attempting to go about my sound in a different way. I tend to go for a treble-y sound but nothing I would call ice-pickey considering an 18 watt Marshall circuit doesn't do ice-pick. I'm just confused since I've been gigging with the same guys using essentially the same rig since 05/06 and I've only been singled out over the past few months.

Schafrocks · #25 05-10-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu Blue

Running your guitar at max all the time is fine, as long as you don't mind never working with a really top notch singer....

A properly set up strat/tele/P90 sounds great from 1 to 10 on the guitar volume on my maxed out JTM45.... if you need to max the guitar vol the set-up needs looking at.

This is absurd and quite condescending. Different music requires different things. And, my setup is just fine, thank you. Just because one doesnt use their volume knob the same as you do doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. I use my volume knob. But mostly to clean my sound up. I have the pots with the appropriate taper to accomplish it. I mainly play HB equipped guitars and they just don't sound the same with the volume turned back. They do sound cleaner. It's like having a 300K pot in a les paul instead of a 500K. Big difference in tone.

If you can't get a decent tone even at a low volume, you either need a different amp or a diffferent amp pedal combination. I use a JCM 800 2204 and very rarely get told to turn down. It's insanely loud but you don't have to have it that way for it to sound good. I play as loud as I have to to hear.

Stu Blue · #26 05-10-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneJesus

Generalize much, old man?
I keep my rhythm sparse and just loud enough and my leads fairly screaming using pedals. Preferring to use germanium fuzz I know all about using volume controls on my guitar for clean and dirty. Sorry my tonal philosophy pegs me as an amateur despite my pretty good income playing music with the same amp over the last decade.
So yeah, maybe your advice would hold more weight if you could avoid peppering it with insults and condescension.

Hey, I'm not the one posting that a promoter wants to book my band but without me cause I'm "too loud". If you "know all about using volume controls on my guitar" then how come you're getting all this flack about your volume/playing?

Personally, I've never been told to turn down by a promoter in spite of the fact that my amps are several times louder than yours. What I learned from people like Hendrix and Peter Green was turn the amp way up and the guitar way down... and that sensitivity and control was more powerful than maxxed out mayhem all the time.

Sorry that I was able to predict thatyou would ignore my advice and still somehow be convinced you were in the right... it comes of many years of playing with other guys and noticing how the ones who were generally crudely too loud most of the time, reacted when told (and fired).....

Meanwhile, I refer you to my sig below....