Warren Haynes' tone at bedroom(ish) volume?

[Tone_Terrific]

>>Get an SLO and slave it through another poweramp... There you can get Warrens tones at TV volume... I have done it with Mark IIC+ amps, my Road King and my SLO. Works perfectly.<<

Warren's tone in his sutuation is one thing BUT this suggestion, and others, is is such overkill it can hardly be serious. Wasn't the request for low volume?

Just try as many od pedals as you can, you will gradually learn what aspects of the sound you need to improve upon. You may need a compressor and/or EQ as well. You may find a better tone.

Turning an SLO into a $4000. dirt box is incredibly wasteful unless you have one just laying about.

[haslar]

Originally posted by Tone_Terrific
Warren's tone in his sutuation is one thing BUT this suggestion, and others, is is such overkill it can hardly be serious. Wasn't the request for low volume?

Just try as many od pedals as you can, you will gradually learn what aspects of the sound you need to improve upon. You may need a compressor and/or EQ as well. You may find a better tone.

Oasis of sanity !!



That's why I was talking about getting a vintage Marshall head (or boutique equivalent, Ceriatone JTM45 or Germino Club40), and adding a good OD pedal for getting a nice tone at low volume.

It probably wouldn't sound as good as WH's studio or live tone, but as stated above, at low volume, it's never gonna happen, even if I could spend $$$.

Plus, the 30-50W range would be fine for me as I'm still planning to be able to play live with that gear.
Furthermore, a NMV Marshall with a good OD pedal would allow me to have a good clean-ish sound, AND an OD sound, at any reasonable level.

Still, I want to try a 50W Soldano Avenger. Assuming I like it & end up buying it, but then I'd have to use my Rivera M60 for clean sounds I guess.
My rig would then be along the lines of:
Guitar --> Y jack cable --> M60 used as head, plexi setting --> Soldano Avenger --> Tonebone Headbone switcher --> Marshall '75 4x12" G12M cab.

Stomping on the Headbone would allow me to switch between a clean, hendrixy type of sound, or a Soldano SLO-ish lead sound.

Does that make sense?

If so, I'd have to choose between that 2-head setup, and a more "mundane" (if portable) Marshall NMV head & cab + OD pedal.

Any thoughts, guys?

[lv]

Originally posted by haslar
Oasis of sanity !!



That's why I was talking about getting a vintage Marshall head (or boutique equivalent, Ceriatone JTM45 or Germino Club40), and adding a good OD pedal for getting a nice tone at low volume.

It probably wouldn't sound as good as WH's studio or live tone, but as stated above, at low volume, it's never gonna happen, even if I could spend $$$.

Plus, the 30-50W range would be fine for me as I'm still planning to be able to play live with that gear.
Furthermore, a NMV Marshall with a good OD pedal would allow me to have a good clean-ish sound, AND an OD sound, at any reasonable level.

Still, I want to try a 50W Soldano Avenger. Assuming I like it & end up buying it, but then I'd have to use my Rivera M60 for clean sounds I guess.
My rig would then be along the lines of:
Guitar --> Y jack cable --> M60 used as head, plexi setting --> Soldano Avenger --> Tonebone Headbone switcher --> Marshall '75 4x12" G12M cab.

Stomping on the Headbone would allow me to switch between a clean, hendrixy type of sound, or a Soldano SLO-ish lead sound.

Does that make sense?

If so, I'd have to choose between that 2-head setup, and a more "mundane" (if portable) Marshall NMV head & cab + OD pedal.

Any thoughts, guys?

If you really want to get anywhere close to the Warren Haynes tone, OD boxes will be a waste of your time and money. I've tried over 100, even Soldano's tube distortion box and none of them even come close (I'm talking about the first CD's tone still). Not sure how much the Avenger 50 is, but you can find Avenger 100 watters used but in like new condition for around $1,000. IMO that is cheap to approach that tone.

[haslar]

Originally posted by Lou V
If you really want to get anywhere close to the Warren Haynes tone, OD boxes will be a waste of your time and money. I've tried over 100, even Soldano's tube distortion box and none of them even come close (I'm talking about the first CD's tone still). Not sure how much the Avenger 50 is, but you can find Avenger 100 watters used but in like new condition for around $1,000. IMO that is cheap to approach that tone.

Oops mistake, it seems there is no such thing as a 50W Avenger...
unless you buy a 100W Avenger and take out a pair of output tubes!


Thanks Lou, I'll keep my eyes open for used Avengers.

[riffy]

Originally posted by Tone_Terrific
>>Get an SLO and slave it through another poweramp... There you can get Warrens tones at TV volume... I have done it with Mark IIC+ amps, my Road King and my SLO. Works perfectly.<<

Warren's tone in his sutuation is one thing BUT this suggestion, and others, is is such overkill it can hardly be serious. Wasn't the request for low volume?

Just try as many od pedals as you can, you will gradually learn what aspects of the sound you need to improve upon. You may need a compressor and/or EQ as well. You may find a better tone.

Turning an SLO into a $4000. dirt box is incredibly wasteful unless you have one just laying about.

Actually you can get an SLO used for far less that 4K. You can usually pick them up for between $1600 and $1800. And you can get a good tube powered poweramp used for around $600. Slave it down with a Hot Plate and send its signal to the poweramp. It really is the way to get LOW VOLUME killer sounds. I am not rich, but I do like killer tones. It does work and it will save him money in the long term looking for fixes that just don't get the job done.

I have tried many ways to get tones on the cheap and have spent more money in the long run than doing it the right way to begin with.

BTW, it was a serious suggestion and it is hardly overkill if you truly want those tones. Warren keeps his preamp settings pretty low and really drives the power section to get his sound.

Gary

[Azon]

Originally posted by Drizzt


BTW, it was a serious suggestion and it is hardly overkill if you truly want those tones. Warren keeps his preamp settings pretty low and really drives the power section to get his sound.

Gary

I think it is serious overkill, just for "bedroom" volumes. There are MANY great overdrives out right now, that will get you very close. Even with Warren's EXACT setup, you won't get his tones. And why use a head as a giant overdrive pedal??

Actually you are wrong about Warren getting his tone from the power section. Warren doesn't play nearly as loud as you think. The last Mule show I was at, I stood right in front of Warren and was ear level with his amps. Warren actually uses the SLO preamp, more than poweramp distortion. Also the Klon plays a key role in his overdrive.

[jpage]

BTW, it was a serious suggestion and it is hardly overkill if you truly want those tones.

Gotta agree with the above post bud. I'm sure that your setup does sound fine, but I can't imagine that I couldn't replicate (or come damn close) that experience for under a grand...

Throw an OCD and a rotosphere in front of a decent tube amp and you'll come pretty close to the "Warren tone".

[lv]

Originally posted by haslar
Oops mistake, it seems there is no such thing as a 50W Avenger...
unless you buy a 100W Avenger and take out a pair of output tubes!


Thanks Lou, I'll keep my eyes open for used Avengers.

They are making a 50 watt version, just not many out yet. You cna get a better price if you shop around.
http://www.synergystore.com/cat--Sol...o-Amps:30.html

[Tone_Terrific]

This thread has legs!

Can anybody post a clip of this amazing WH tone so we know what we all should be chasing? I know a clip is but a clip and doesn't represent the full range of a player's tone but it would be nice to have a common reference for this discussion.

Could this be the next EVH tone search? (!!!)

[haslar]

Watch Govt Mule's "The Deepest End" DVD for a good idea of the tone we're talking about.

[lv]

Originally posted by Tone_Terrific
This thread has legs!

Can anybody post a clip of this amazing WH tone so we know what we all should be chasing? I know a clip is but a clip and doesn't represent the full range of a player's tone but it would be nice to have a common reference for this discussion.

Could this be the next EVH tone search? (!!!)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

[Sharkey]

Here's my take on some Warren Toneage

Top Hat Emplexador 50w
Fulltone Full-Drive 2 (setting Vintage)(no boost)
LP (neck pup)(volume 6 and up for leads)

Working up a new tune tonight (I'll be the one) off of Moe Voodo and rememberd this thread
This amp has an awsome Master Volume and does damn fine job of some Mule tone at resonable volumes.

Hope this helps,
Shark

[riverastoasters]

Originally posted by haslar
I love the tone Warren Haynes gets when he plays his Les Paul plugged in his SLO.

Actually my wife was playing the SLO-100 today with a HotPlate and it was maybe a bit more than bedroom volume, although I had no trouble putting the four year old to bed a couple rooms down the hall. The cab is my 2x12 with old EVM-12Ls in it.

We don't actually do this too often - usually we use combos in the living room, but we just happened to have this rig handy and she felt like playing.

[riverastoasters]

Originally posted by Tone_Terrific
Turning an SLO into a $4000. dirt box is incredibly wasteful unless you have one just laying about.

It's $4000 now for those? Yeesh. Glad I bought mine before that happened.

In any case, it never occured to me to slave the SLO, mine is so often out on loan I don't normally think a lot about it. But as of about a week ago it's back, and probably for a long time between loans, so it is in fact just laying about.

[Tone_Terrific]

Originally posted by riverastoasters
It's $4000 now for those? Yeesh. Glad I bought mine before that happened.

Cdn$. New. Head only. It may actually be more...or less.

Still, slaving through a HP involves way too much gear, cables, switching, level control etc. to be a practical gig rig.