And speaking of speed and single string technique...

[Ed DeGenaro]

At the SL forum Wil has takien to counting notes and compiling the fast guys...it's kinda cool just for the hell of it.

http://donniebshawn.com/v-web/bullet...&highlight=nps

[stratovarius]

... I should have paid more attention to technique while going through puberty.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally Posted by stratovarius

... I should have paid more attention to technique while going through puberty.

Just means you played sports more.

[stratovarius]

Originally Posted by Ed DeGenaro

Just means you played sports more.

... yes, uh ... sports. I played sports 3 times a day back then.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally Posted by stratovarius

... yes, uh ... sports. I played sports 3 times a day back then.

I think we all did.

[duckbunny]

When I was younger, speed was the thing that held the most sway with me. I was absolutely dazzled by technique. While it is impressive to hear a Shawn Lane, DiMeola, Malmsteem, etc. run rapid lines, and I can appreciate the amount of time and effort it took to get to the point where one could operate an ibstrument in such a manner, I try to remember...

Kenny G. has chops that Lester Young never had.

As I matured, I came to realize that it really is about what you are saying.
Funny, we never speak of such a dyad when discussing writing, or painting for that matter. Why music? Do we compare the technical use of the English language vis a vis Alexander Pope and Studs Terkel? How about Rafael vs Kandinsky for "technical" ability? Never. It's almost always (rightfully) about content.
Perhaps the quest for technical mastery is consuming. The guitar can be a pig of an instrument, sometimes - especially when it comes to some fingerings and especially reading for the instrument

Just some desultory rambling...


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[HEY!YOU!]

Originally Posted by duckbunny

When I was younger, speed was the thing that held the most sway with me. I was absolutely dazzled by technique. While it is impressive to hear a Shawn Lane, DiMeola, Malmsteem, etc. run rapid lines, and I can appreciate the amount of time and effort it took to get to the point where one could operate an ibstrument in such a manner, I try to remember...

Kenny G. has chops that Lester Young never had.

As I matured, I came to realize that it really is about what you are saying.
Funny, we never speak of such a dyad when discussing writing, or painting for that matter. Why music? Do we compare the technical use of the English language vis a vis Alexander Pope and Studs Terkel? How about Rafael vs Kandinsky for "technical" ability? Never. It's almost always (rightfully) about content.
Perhaps the quest for technical mastery is consuming. The guitar can be a pig of an instrument, sometimes - especially when it comes to some fingerings and especially reading for the instrument

Just some desultory rambling...


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Kenny G...........are you kidding.

[duckbunny]

I got to talk "music" with him at a studio about 13 yrs ago (nice guy, by the way, even though I dislike his "music") and believe me, he can rip... notes coming out of the horn at light speed - seriously.

However...

My point is : who cares how fast a shallow stream runs?

By his own admission Bud Powell was no Art Tatum, techique-wise but oh my!!!

Sometimes, on a very rare occasion, the rapid waters do run deep - eg Coltrane. Still, even when I listen to 'Trane, it's the sheer depth, beauty, profundity, spirituality and consistent genius that amazes me. I think that's what we all, as musicians, strive for - Witness BB King, The Beatles, Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, etc.

Just my .02


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[duckbunny]

Originally Posted by stratovarius

... yes, uh ... sports. I played sports 3 times a day back then.

ROTFLMAO!
Sorry strato...I must be a little slow on the uptake today!

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally Posted by duckbunny

I got to talk "music" with him at a studio about 13 yrs ago (nice guy, by the way, even though I dislike his "music") and believe me, he can rip... notes coming out of the horn at light speed - seriously.

However...

My point is : who cares how fast a shallow stream runs?

By his own admission Bud Powell was no Art Tatum, techique-wise but oh my!!!

Sometimes, on a very rare occasion, the rapid waters do run deep - eg Coltrane. Still, even when I listen to 'Trane, it's the sheer depth, beauty, profundity, spirituality and consistent genius that amazes me. I think that's what we all, as musicians, strive for - Witness BB King, The Beatles, Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, etc.

Just my .02


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Except the one doesn't necessarily have snything to do with the other.
I can find it interesting that a guy clocked the speed of a bunch of guys without wnating to be AlDiMeola...
Just thought I might turn some folks on to it. Yet as always the same old clichees pop up.

[duckbunny]

I was just rambling on about the technique and content dyad, I didn't want to imply anything, or bring up any corny 'cliches.'
Living as I do, here in academia, I guess that I take first examining the realm of the abstract for granted.
FWIW, I really enjoyed the sound clips you've previously posted, and thank you for turning me onto that clip.
I apologize if I in any way offended.


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[RichardB]

Hey Ed,
I cant be bothered to d/load theclips. So who is the cleanest/quickest. I really think Di Meola would have to be up there, way up there. I know there are plenty of lattr day speed demons in the rock/metal/fusion world, but I still suspect Al has 'em all beat with how clean he plays. Never heard anyone that quick and clean. What say you?

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally Posted by RichardB

Hey Ed,
I cant be bothered to d/load theclips. So who is the cleanest/quickest. I really think Di Meola would have to be up there, way up there. I know there are plenty of lattr day speed demons in the rock/metal/fusion world, but I still suspect Al has 'em all beat with how clean he plays. Never heard anyone that quick and clean. What say you?

Funnily enough no.
Al Di ended up clocked at 15 notes per second.
The fast majority of latter day speed stuff, and funnily enough I'm included on that list are at 16, as well as Paco DeLucia.
Fastest on it is Shawn Lane at 19. However I don't think it's right becuase I like to think I know Shawn's approach well enough that at that tempo he didn't pik all the notes.

[Ed DeGenaro]

Originally Posted by duckbunny

I was just rambling on about the technique and content dyad, I didn't want to imply anything, or bring up any corny 'cliches.'
Living as I do, here in academia, I guess that I take first examining the realm of the abstract for granted.
FWIW, I really enjoyed the sound clips you've previously posted, and thank you for turning me onto that clip.
I apologize if I in any way offended.


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Not offended at all...just wanted to make sure this didn't turn into "that" feeling vs. speed type thread.

[RichardB]

Originally Posted by Ed DeGenaro

Funnily enough no.
Al Di ended up clocked at 15 notes per second.
The fast majority of latter day speed stuff, and funnily enough I'm included on that list are at 16, as well as Paco DeLucia.
Fastest on it is Shawn Lane at 19. However I don't think it's right becuase I like to think I know Shawn's approach well enough that at that tempo he didn't pik all the notes.

Your post prompted to me to d/load and listen. I really think some of the stuff is actually not a fair representation at all. I still think diMeola is the cleanest of everyone. He should have grabbed that fast section of Al's Race on Highway...Some of the guys are really not clean AT ALL...