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Old 10-08-2006, 06:11 PM
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Raising combos up off the stage and tone?

Guys, I've read and even experienced Bass being lost in a combo amp by raising it off the ground on a chair. Is this a fact of the bass frequecies phase-cancelling or some aural illusion? Can someone please advise how to raise an amp effectively to get better dispersion and improve axis? Thanks much in advance.
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Old 10-08-2006, 07:16 PM
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Fact, not illusion. Try these:

1) Amp on the floor in the middle of the room
2) Amp on the floor close to a wall
3) Amp on the floor in a corner

You'll find that you get increasing bass response as you go down the list.


The simplest and least expensive way to put yourself more on-axis without losing bass is to tilt the amp back.
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Old 10-08-2006, 07:53 PM
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Thanks for confirming and the great tips, TieDyed.
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Old 10-08-2006, 09:10 PM
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Problem solved......

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Old 10-08-2006, 09:18 PM
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Guys, I've read and even experienced Bass being lost in a combo amp by raising it off the ground on a chair. Is this a fact of the bass frequecies phase-cancelling or some aural illusion? Can someone please advise how to raise an amp effectively to get better dispersion and improve axis? Thanks much in advance.
You might lose bass you might gain bass. What is really going on is that an interference pattern is set up between your amp and its reflections in any hard surfaces that are close enough. The floor is usually a good reflector.

Ok so where you stand will affect whether you get more bass or less bass, depending also on what bass frequencies are excited.

You can learn about interference patterns here.

So no, it's not as simple as "lift the combo, lose the bass". Or any other simple formula like that.

But it IS as simple as try it and listen.
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Old 10-08-2006, 11:05 PM
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I'm curious, why do you want to be on axis? I've always hated that "beaming" sound...
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Old 10-09-2006, 12:00 AM
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I'm curious, why do you want to be on axis? I've always hated that "beaming" sound...
A lot of guys end up beaming someone else pretty hard and not knowing it because the player is off axis. One strategy which can work well is to have the amp point up at you, so nobody gets "beamed".
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:32 AM
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I'm curious, why do you want to be on axis? I've always hated that "beaming" sound...
Beam blocker. Zero beaming. My combos sound great pointed directly at me.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:53 AM
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I'm curious, why do you want to be on axis? I've always hated that "beaming" sound...
Good question. I don't mean exactly on axis, but close. The thing is that a lot of body is lost when I'm not near axis, and I like knowing exactly what is coming out most fundamentally from the amp, since most PA systems do not accurately mirror this - this just seems to be the case with my amp and the stages I've been on...

Everyone - thanks very much for your tips and advice.
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Old 10-09-2006, 08:14 AM
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Old 10-09-2006, 08:25 AM
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i love mine.
There aren't any prices posted at the site, so may I ask what you all payed for yours?
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Old 10-09-2006, 09:11 AM
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It's not an illusion. The percieved bass will change depending on the distance from the speaker to the various surrounding reflective surfaces. I personally prefer my amp ( Deluxe Reverb ) off the floor a bit so I usually set it on stand about 16 inches off the ground. Your mileage may vary....

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Old 10-09-2006, 04:32 PM
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Beam blocker. Zero beaming. My combos sound great pointed directly at me.
+1. The "best-cheapest" invention I've seen & used for amps/speakers.
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Old 10-09-2006, 06:11 PM
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Question on this: I understand the amp-contact with floor for better low frequency response, important in the studio. If your playing live, and miking for FOH, does it only affect what you hear on the stage? If that's the case, will the FOH be affected by having the amp off the floor, and all the loss of bass response thet goes with? Will the audiance ever hear your off the floor loss of bass through the house PA?
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Old 10-09-2006, 06:19 PM
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There aren't any prices posted at the site, so may I ask what you all payed for yours?

I payed $175 for a used extra large from Atlanta Discount Music.

Here's a link to the Dealers list- http://www.soundenhancer.com/dealers.htm
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