G12H vs. G12H "Heritage"

[Guitar Dave T]

So what's the diffence. Antique Electronic Supply sells them both, with the standard G12H at a significantly lower price. The published specs are identical in every way.

Only diffence I can see is the "Heritage" version has the greenback magnet cover.

What gives?

[LZ_69]

The heritage G12H has a 55hz cone while the standard has a 75hz cone they sound different from each other. The major reason why the heritage cost more is because they're still made in the UK and celestion did everything possible to make them identical to a G12H 55hz you could have bought new in the late 60's.

[GasMask]

Read this from "Guitar Player":

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.as...torycode=10745

[Guitar Dave T]

Ah, thanks. The copy on the Antique Electronic Supply page (tubesandmore.com) is wrong. It shows both speakers bottoming out at 75hz.

Can you hear the difference?

[Free]

Originally Posted by GasMask

Read this from "Guitar Player":

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.as...torycode=10745

That's a well-presented review. I'm just upset that the G12M 20 is only 96db - sounds like a tonal upgrade from the G12M 25, but damn, 98 db is bad enough - I can't imagine giving up another 2 db. Anyway - thanks, GasMask.

[Janglin_Jack]

Originally Posted by Free

That's a well-presented review. I'm just upset that the G12M 20 is only 96db - sounds like a tonal upgrade from the G12M 25, but damn, 98 db is bad enough - I can't imagine giving up another 2 db. Anyway - thanks, GasMask.

I thought the same thing with my JTM45. I had a 2x12 that I used G12H30 and V30. The amp was so LOUD that I had to use an attenuator at -8 to -12db to get the overdrive I wanted. -8db was still too loud with the band.

I got G12M Heritage and put them in a Bluesbreaker 2x12 with the JTM45 head, the proper config for that amp. Warm, smooth breakup at the perfect band volume. Bridge the inputs, run both volumes around 6. Then just control the guitar volume to go from clean to overdrive and it is the perfect volume - no attenuator needed.

There is the right speaker for the right application. 4x12 G12M would be PLENTY loud and I think they are a killer sound.

Jack

[Free]

Originally Posted by Janglin_Jack

I thought the same thing with my JTM45. I had a 2x12 that I used G12H30 and V30. The amp was so LOUD that I had to use an attenuator at -8 to -12db to get the overdrive I wanted. -8db was still too loud with the band.

I got G12M Heritage and put them in a Bluesbreaker 2x12 with the JTM45 head, the proper config for that amp. Warm, smooth breakup at the perfect band volume. Bridge the inputs, run both volumes around 6. Then just control the guitar volume to go from clean to overdrive and it is the perfect volume - no attenuator needed.

There is the right speaker for the right application. 4x12 G12M would be PLENTY loud and I think they are a killer sound.

Jack

Thanks, Jack. Sure, I wouldn't doubt that for a second - I've no problems with being too loud though, of course, or I would have no problem at all with 96 db. My current issue is going into 2 1x12" cabs with 20 watts - using a G12M25 in the combo (98 db) and a Celestion Blue (100 db) in an ext cab. 90% of gigs won't handle any more than 20-30 watts into a 2x12 at 10 (max volume) unattenuated. I need a balance of getting all I can from 20 watts and not being too loud with more wattage. I'm a no OD pedal/no attenuator player who depends 100% on the amp delivering everything. So, I need relatively efficient speakers at 20 watts, for those shows that require a bit more loudness. 98 db is as low as I'm willing to go with 20 watts. If I was dealing with 40 or more watts, no problem, I'd welcome 96 db. Thanks.

[BIGGERSTAFF]

Originally Posted by Free

Thanks, Jack. Sure, I wouldn't doubt that for a second - I've no problems with being too loud though, of course, or I would have no problem at all with 96 db. My current issue is going into 2 1x12" cabs with 20 watts - using a G12M25 in the combo (98 db) and a Celestion Blue (100 db) in an ext cab. 90% of gigs won't handle any more than 20-30 watts into a 2x12 at 10 (max volume) unattenuated. I need a balance of getting all I can from 20 watts and not being too loud with more wattage. I'm a no OD pedal/no attenuator player who depends 100% on the amp delivering everything. So, I need relatively efficient speakers at 20 watts, for those shows that require a bit more loudness. 98 db is as low as I'm willing to go with 20 watts. If I was dealing with 40 or more watts, no problem, I'd welcome 96 db. Thanks.

Is it a matter of headroom or volume? Do you mic your cabs? I've got the Heritage 20w in my Germino C45(albeit 35w), and while loud, is very usable. With the G12H Heritage models, it's a LOT louder.

Oops, just reread the post- its the G12Ms(the 20W models) that are 96db, not the G12Hs. The G12Hs are 100db.

[suhr_rodney]

Very cool article. Thanks for the link. I want a 2x12 open back cab to use with my Germino Club 40 and am considering two Greenbacks, though admittedly the Heritage 12Ms sound very appealing. I played a similar rig last week at Fat Sound very briefly, but was checking out the guitar moreso than the cab. I'll have to go back for another listen.

My Top Hat Supreme 16 cab has one Blue and one Heritage 12H. I'm considering going to two Blues in that cab. The Heritage 12H can sound a bit stiff at the volumes I play.

Originally Posted by GasMask

Read this from "Guitar Player":

http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.as...torycode=10745

[deeval]

Originally Posted by LZ_69

The heritage G12H has a 55hz cone while the standard has a 75hz cone they sound different from each other. The major reason why the heritage cost more is because they're still made in the UK and celestion did everything possible to make them identical to a G12H 55hz you could have bought new in the late 60's.

From what I understand is that Alot of the Celestions where made in China Even when Assembeled at UK

[Guitar Dave T]

What I didn't like about the article is there was no A/B ing the G12H and G12H Heritage in the same amp/cab.

Can anyone share any experiences with the two? Noticeable sonic differences?

[Janglin_Jack]

Legendarytones did reviews the Heritage series.

http://www.legendarytones.com/celestiong12m.html

[celestion101]

Originally Posted by deeval

From what I understand is that Alot of the Celestions where made in China Even when Assembeled at UK

Hi,
This was not the case, but many of our Chinese built drivers are built on the original machines from the UK factory.

[GAT]

Originally Posted by Free

That's a well-presented review. I'm just upset that the G12M 20 is only 96db - sounds like a tonal upgrade from the G12M 25, but damn, 98 db is bad enough - I can't imagine giving up another 2 db. Anyway - thanks, GasMask.

I have 4 Heritage G12M 20 watters in my Germino. Absolutely slays with my Headroom 100 and Suhr OD100 Classic. And I'm VERY glad they are on 96db efficient with these heads. Incredible tone!!!

[GAT]

Originally Posted by Guitar Dave T

What I didn't like about the article is there was no A/B ing the G12H and G12H Heritage in the same amp/cab.

Can anyone share any experiences with the two? Noticeable sonic differences?

I did, more pronounced mid bump on the regular one. More low bass and crisper highs and warmer, more neutral mids with the Heritage. My favorite Heritage is the G12M 20 watter, lordy!