Barber Tone Pump with better low gain sounds?

[cloudnine]

I've played a Barber Tone Pump and loved the smoothness of it; the way you can play with high gain with NO INTERMODULATION DISTORTION. I wasn't too impressed with it's performance at low gain sounds though. Is there another pedal that can do both, and has the two channel thing? Has anyone looked inside the circuit of the Tone Pump and can tell what's special about the circuit that eliminates the intermodulation?

[Crunchy]

What's the difference between this and the Burn Unit?

[jpagey]

Fulldrive II in comp cut mode?
Banzai Fireball II/III?


Wait, Foxrox ZIM with CS and BB cards. That's the one.
Lovepedal Twin 60--if you can find one.

[cloudnine]

Originally Posted by Crunchy

What's the difference between this and the Burn Unit?

Actually very similar. Both awesome for lyrical, sustaining lead tone. The Burn Unit has more cut to the attack, where the Tone Pump has a softer attack.

[jpagey]

Originally Posted by Crunchy

What's the difference between this and the Burn Unit?

I have both the TP EQ and BU EQ models, as well as the older Dual Unit with Burn Unit and Tone Pump in one BIG pedal, and they are more different than they are alike:


http://www.tpngear.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=892

[GenoBluzGtr]

Originally Posted by jpagey

I have both (EQ) models and they are more different than they are alike:

If I already love my Direct Drive (and really like My Black LTD) which of the two would suit my tastes better?

I am kinda lukewarm about the LTD by itself, but in conjunction with the DD, it serves a nice low-gain purpose. The DD can do it all in my book and is "the" sound that I love when overdriving my amps.

I want to pick up a one of the eq 'dual channel' units for quick grabngo things where I don't want to bring my pedal board or take the DD or LTD off it.

[cloudnine]

Originally Posted by jpagey

I have both (EQ) models and they are more different than they are alike:


http://www.tpngear.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=892

I couldn't disagree more. I had and gigged with both in a Dual Unit, which is both circuits in one box. I've also demoed both EQ models side by side. Played them through a Dr. Z MAZ 18 jr, a vintage Epiphone amp and an Orange Rockerverb 50, at home, at gigging volumes, amps set clean, on the edge, and with gain. Compared to multitudes of other overdrives you can get almost identical tones out of them. Same range of gain, EQ and volume boost, both very smooth, gobs of singing, violin-like sustain, very responsive, not very gritty or crunchy, neither gets overly bright, but you can set them both to sound great for leads or chords on a single sound. Main difference is in the attack like I said. More of a transparent 'pick to strings' sound on the BU, rounder softer 'bloom' on the TP. Slightly more hair on the Burn Unit.

[jpagey]

Originally Posted by GenoBluzGtr

If I already love my Direct Drive (and really like My Black LTD) which of the two would suit my tastes better?

I am kinda lukewarm about the LTD by itself, but in conjunction with the DD, it serves a nice low-gain purpose. The DD can do it all in my book and is "the" sound that I love when overdriving my amps.

I want to pick up a one of the eq 'dual channel' units for quick grabngo things where I don't want to bring my pedal board or take the DD or LTD off it.

It depends--how do you set the DD's internal trims (Marshall, Hot Rod Marshall, 808 killer, Dumble, Electric Blues, etc.) and how do you set the gain of the DD?

If you're using the DD for Marshall/Dumble tones and for gain levels higher than 11-12, I'd say the BU EQ.

[jb70]

GenoBluzGtr,
i would also recommend the BUEQ. i have one on my small board and it's an incredible pedal- very versatile. i haven't tried the TPEQ but plan to sometime soon.

[GenoBluzGtr]

I generally run the DD with the gain set at about 1 o'clock to 3 o'clock, the tone scaled back to about 10 o'clock. My version has only one internal trimmer and I keep it set just a bit tweaked clockwise (about a quarter turn). The tones I get remind me of a lower gain "Dumble" or older (JTM45) Marshall tone. Smooth, deep, grind on humbuckers and SRV's - Dumble Steel String Singer tones with Single Coils.

[illinimax]

Originally Posted by cloudnine

I couldn't disagree more. I had and gigged with both in a Dual Unit, which is both circuits in one box. I've also demoed both EQ models side by side. Played them through a Dr. Z MAZ 18 jr, a vintage Epiphone amp and an Orange Rockerverb 50, at home, at gigging volumes, amps set clean, on the edge, and with gain. Compared to multitudes of other overdrives you can get almost identical tones out of them. Same range of gain, EQ and volume boost, both very smooth, gobs of singing, violin-like sustain, very responsive, not very gritty or crunchy, neither gets overly bright, but you can set them both to sound great for leads or chords on a single sound. Main difference is in the attack like I said. More of a transparent 'pick to strings' sound on the BU, rounder softer 'bloom' on the TP. Slightly more hair on the Burn Unit.

Exactly what I hear

[jpagey]

Originally Posted by GenoBluzGtr

I generally run the DD with the gain set at about 1 o'clock to 3 o'clock, the tone scaled back to about 10 o'clock. My version has only one internal trimmer and I keep it set just a bit tweaked clockwise (about a quarter turn). The tones I get remind me of a lower gain "Dumble" or older (JTM45) Marshall tone. Smooth, deep, grind on humbuckers and SRV's - Dumble Steel String Singer tones with Single Coils.

Get the BU EQ then. Both the Burn Unit in my Dual Unit and BU EQ will do DD sounds (Marshall, Hot Rod Marshall, Dumble, Sanatana, Warm Clean Boost) and more. The TP EQ, while one of THE best low-med gain od's, can't do these tones. If in doubt, go to www.tpngear.com or email David Barber.

[ASATClassic]

I have both of these pedals, and I agree they are pretty similiar. The BU is a little more "distortiony/overdrive" while the BU is pure overdrive. Not a huge difference, though. I like them both a lot, but wouldn't recommend anyone buying both.

BTW, I think they both do low gain stuff really well.

Also, these pedals are awesome "grab 'n go" pedals. Two levels of gain/volume in a single pedal is very convienant.

[cloudnine]

Anybody else? Tube screamer variant with ZERO intermodulation distortion, but glorious souding for low gain as well as highish gain?

[David-R]

Originally Posted by cloudnine

Anybody else? Tube screamer variant with ZERO intermodulation distortion, but glorious souding for low gain as well as highish gain?

Barber Small Fry (although I admit I wouldn't know intermodular distortion if it bit me).