Fuchs vs Glaswerks vs Two-Rock

[blue_lu]

YES,... I know - ANOTHER Dumble-Style related thread....


I'm a university student saving up the few bucks that I have, and my bank account is finally getting into an area where some thinking has to be done - the money is going out for a D-Style amp, I have always wanted that tone, and I did quite a bit of research on these companies and their amps.

The problem is, that here in Germany, the only d-style amp that is available here are fuchs amps, and let me tell you they charge a hefty sum over here (around 3k of Euros). So I'm intrigued especially by the glasswerks since it runs at 2,4k $ (wich equals 1,8k in Euros) and seems to offer more flexability than the other two.
Also the fact that some really knowledgeable people like Scott Lerner backed up Mr. Glasswerks works is a really good sign, imo. On the other hand, the resale value (not that I would consider this - but remember that I'm in university, and you never how live goes...) is probably nowhere near a fuchs or a two rock amp - glaswerks is virtually unknown in europe, I think.
But the fact that the price is so good, and it seems to offer so much for the money, I'm probably going to get on the list, IF Mr. Glaswerks can do 220V versions and ships internationally...
Two Rocks CR/Signature amps run for 2,8K on ebay and the salesforums - That amp could also be a nice choice. I also know a tech who could change the transformators to 220V. That guy has worked on dumbles and d-style amps before. What do you guys think of that?
Last and least I could go to the germans dealer and shell out big euros for an imported fuchs. But honestly, I could get the glaswerks (shipping EXcluded) for little more than a thousand euros less... if he keeps the prices at that level.


So I guess the question is... wwcnd (what would chuck norris do)? Help me!

Regards, Lu

btw. Stressfests Zendrive and my Vibrolux will keep me above the water for the time :AOK

[scottl]

Hi Lu,

All the amps would be fine choices. The Fuchs TDS and the Glaswerks offer the most flexibility. Hands down. The Two Rocks are great as well, but I'd look for a deal. Plus they are not as flexible, but that is moot for most people as they do what they do well.

Glaswerks has a two year wait list and the prices will likely go up a lot as well. Resale is only going to be great IMO.

Basically, you are at the mercy of what becomes available. Feel free to email me offline for advice.

Scott

[whoismarykelly]

Well your first issue is when you want the amp. Youll be waiting close to two years for a Glaswerks but you can get a TR or a Fuchs pretty fast. The CR Sigs go for significantly more than $2800 (They are twice that new) Older versions such as the standard CR or CR artist may go for cheaper. The fuchs will probably be the best bet for getting an amp soon and at a good price.

[blue_lu]

Originally Posted by scottl

Glaswerks has a two year wait list and the prices will likely go up a lot as well. Resale is only going to be great IMO.

Basically, you are at the mercy of what becomes available. Feel free to email me offline for advice.

Oh man, that is not what I wanted to hear... argh. Alright, thanks for your offer - I will most defintely bother you in the future with all kinds of questions regarding that subject!

Its still going to be another month or two (maybe more) until I can make the move without having to sell my trusty vibrolux - we will see.

[blue_lu]

Originally Posted by whoismarykelly

Well your first issue is when you want the amp. Youll be waiting close to two years for a Glaswerks but you can get a TR or a Fuchs pretty fast. The CR Sigs go for significantly more than $2800 (They are twice that new) Older versions such as the standard CR or CR artist may go for cheaper. The fuchs will probably be the best bet for getting an amp soon and at a good price.

Well the fact the two rock sigs are going for that kind of money puts them off the list, plain and simple.

I'd love to get the glasswerks but two years is a very long time, as I planed on getting the amp during the next 5-6 months. Guess that only leaves the füchse (as we say in germany). Hmmm... I really thought about the D'lite for a while, but I have absolutly NO experience in building amps and my soldering skills are definetly below average, so I would have to hire a tech to build the amp + it doesn't have reverb or an effects loop, which was the main turn off.

[aeolian]

What about a Skystrup amp? There's a fellow Anders here and on the RF forum who has one and gets great D-type tones out of it. And they're made on that side of the planet. Not that I'd want to cut Andy out of a potential sale, I love his amps, but if you can't afford one, that may be another option.

[dankayaker]

Originally Posted by blue_lu

Well the fact the two rock sigs are going for that kind of money puts them off the list, plain and simple.

Keep an eye out for a used CRSig . .they can be found in the 3k range. Never played
the other amps you mentioned . .though would like to.

[scottl]

Excellent idea! Skrydstrup.... Pete Woods made soem unbelievable clips with his. WoodyWorld here on TGP

Originally Posted by aeolian

What about a Skystrup amp? There's a fellow Anders here and on the RF forum who has one and gets great D-type tones out of it. And they're made on that side of the planet. Not that I'd want to cut Andy out of a potential sale, I love his amps, but if you can't afford one, that may be another option.

[blue_lu]

Thanks for all your effort guys, just checked the skydstrup page - while it looks really promising, the fuchs ods30slx combo is (believe it or not) cheaper than the skydstrup 50 head. I just hope that particular fuchs dealer doesn't raise his prices again in 07...

btw. are there huge tonal differences between the ods30 slx and the 50 watt version?

Considering that glaswerks hast that huge waiting list, the fuchs seems to be the best deal, I will check them out as soon as I have the money ready...

[voodoosound]

Why not a Bruno super used. Closest I have come the dumble I once owned. I also have the emerald pro and the CR Sig and a skrydstrup (great amp).

[Play by Tone]

Yeah, personally I'd love to try a Skrydstrup. Every clip I've heard was stellar...

[fullerplast]

Andy has a nice looking mod in the emporium.....low cost, immediate delivery. You just have the 220 conversion to worry about, but you could use a step-down transformer also.

[jharpersj]

I bought a custome D style amp based on the HRM from Carol Ann and its is hands down the best amp I have owned (I wont bore anyone with the list but it inlcudes every high end manufactuer you can think of)

I will post clips in the next month or so but website is
http://www.carolannamps.com/

He is getting a pretty big rep around Boston these days

[voodoosound]

Not to offend anyone but I would say we have more than enough Dumble cloners on the market. And most that I have played get real close if not nail the tone, vibe and feel or even surpass the originals. I really dont see the point of up and coming builders copying amps that are readily available by many builders. I would like to see someone improve what we already have.

[teleamp]

I think Fuch's is the only RoHs & WEEE compliant mfg with a product like you are looking for unless you can find something used. Big fines for both the seller and buyer if you get caught importing a non-compliant amp. You better check and make sure.

Mike