Dxmble Inspired

[Stratclaw]

If a list does exist, please add me to it. Sounds great.

[Swampash]

Add one for me too please.

[gregory49]

i'm game- add me.. depending on the price..

[Frankenstrat2]

This is hilarious.

[Frankenstrat2]

Originally Posted by Reverb

Meaning scam?

No- and not a slam against Robbie, whom I am sure is a fine fellow.
It is some kind of comment on the members who populate TGP that people are lining up to pre-purchase/pre-order a product that is:
Unproven
Unheard
from a maker that is Unknown
at a price that is Undecided
based largely upon
One thread on TGP.
Pedal builders take note:
Start cloning the Dumble-in-a-box
NOW!
Its never too early to rip off an idea, even one that's half baked and un-built.
You cloners can also start taking orders now, for half of whatever Robbie decides to charge when he decides.
You already have the layout and enough techie hints to go on.
Make sure to use plenty of goop.
Like I said:
Frikkin hilarious.

Hey Robbie- Put me on the list too.
I'm serious, man.
This way I can get one of the first 50, and sell it right away on eBay for a premium while you slave away in your basement or garage or wherever trying to fill all the orders for the parts you haven't even ordered yet.
Its the TGP way, after all.
This can be such an amazing place!
A microcosm of free enterprise.

[Reverb]

Originally Posted by Frankenstrat2

No- and not a slam against Robbie, whom I am sure is a fine fellow.
It is some kind of comment on the members who populate TGP that people are lining up to pre-purchase/pre-order a product that is:
Unproven
Unheard
from a maker that is Unknown
at a price that is Undecided
based largely upon
One thread on TGP.
Pedal builders take note:
Start cloning the Dumble-in-a-box
NOW!
Its never too early to rip off an idea, even one that's half baked and un-built.
You cloners can also start taking orders now, for half of whatever Robbie decides to charge when he decides.
You already have the layout and enough techie hints to go on.
Make sure to use plenty of goop.
Like I said:
Frikkin hilarious.

Hey Robbie- Put me on the list too.
I'm serious, man.
This way I can get one of the first 50, and sell it right away on eBay for a premium while you slave away in your basement or garage or wherever trying to fill all the orders for the parts you haven't even ordered yet.
Its the TGP way, after all.
This can be such an amazing place!
A microcosm of free enterprise.

Is this really any different (other than size and financial backing) of what the big boys do at Namm. They introduce new products which are 6-9 months away from production. People see the prototypes but the masses never get to hear them other than clips. Yet they all line up and get in line with their wallets out.

Robbie has built a unit, a prototype, and is costing out boards for mass production to get the cost reasonable. He has recorded clips which the mini TGP masses seem to like and now they want t oget in line. Not really hilarious,,,,,,actually more of the norm. Unfortunately the norm is not always a good thing.

[Frankenstrat2]

Originally Posted by Reverb

Is this really any different (other than size and financial backing) of what the big boys do at Namm. They introduce new products which are 6-9 months away from production. People see the prototypes but the masses never get to hear them other than clips. Yet they all line up and get in line with their wallets out.

Robbie has built a unit, a prototype, and is costing out boards for mass production to get the cost reasonable. He has recorded clips which the mini TGP masses seem to like and now they want t oget in line. Not really hilarious,,,,,,actually more of the norm. Unfortunately the norm is not always a good thing.

I've been to NAMM quite a few times. There is a small amount of 'vaporware'. It is largely a non-delivery show to the trade. Generaslly the products are already in the pipeline, the prototypes built and on display to touch, feel, and play.
You have to admit this situation is a bit different.
Keep in mind that I was the director of the NYC ToneFest where Tomo Fujita instroduced the Clay Jones pedal. I know the back story on that pedal, and how it was marketed.
I told you this is not a slam on Robbie.
But I am entitled to be highly amused at the thread, and the eagerness of our brethren to put their money down.
It is awe-inspiring.
I AM in the wrong business, for sure.
I am also mystified as to why Paul Cochrane (TIM,Timmy), Alf Hermida (Zen Drive), Scotty Smith (Pro Analog), Bjorn Juhl (BJFE) etc, etc, etc, are not, and will never be filthy rich rolling in do-re-mi.
Something is wrong with this picture.

[Reverb]

Originally Posted by Frankenstrat2

I've been to NAMM quite a few times. There is a small amount of 'vaporware'. It is largely a non-delivery show to the trade. Generaslly the products are already in the pipeline, the prototypes built and on display to touch, feel, and play.
You have to admit this situation is a bit different.
Keep in mind that I was the director of the NYC ToneFest where Tomo Fujita instroduced the Clay Jones pedal. I know the back story on that pedal, and how it was marketed.
I told you this is not a slam on Robbie.
But I am entitled to be highly amused at the thread, and the eagerness of our brethren to put their money down.
It is awe-inspiring.
I AM in the wrong business, for sure.
I am also mystified as to why Paul Cochrane (TIM,Timmy), Alf Hermida (Zen Drive), Scotty Smith (Pro Analog), Bjorn Juhl (BJFE) etc, etc, etc, are not, and will never be filthy rich rolling in do-re-mi.
Something is wrong with this picture.

Last point well taken ( oh and I never meant to imply that you were slamming Robbie) That is why Clay Jones got out of it, he couldn't make a buck. Too much labor time to build these things by hand.
That is why the big boys need the volume and the Pacific Rim Labor. Obviously they are using high volume production techniques and hard tooling to bring costs down.

[bigroy]

Originally Posted by Frankenstrat2

I've been to NAMM quite a few times. There is a small amount of 'vaporware'. It is largely a non-delivery show to the trade. Generaslly the products are already in the pipeline, the prototypes built and on display to touch, feel, and play.
You have to admit this situation is a bit different.
Keep in mind that I was the director of the NYC ToneFest where Tomo Fujita instroduced the Clay Jones pedal. I know the back story on that pedal, and how it was marketed.
I told you this is not a slam on Robbie.
But I am entitled to be highly amused at the thread, and the eagerness of our brethren to put their money down.
It is awe-inspiring.
I AM in the wrong business, for sure.
I am also mystified as to why Paul Cochrane (TIM,Timmy), Alf Hermida (Zen Drive), Scotty Smith (Pro Analog), Bjorn Juhl (BJFE) etc, etc, etc, are not, and will never be filthy rich rolling in do-re-mi.
Something is wrong with this picture.

One of the things we're missing in this converstion is the fact that while we as players find this type of product very interesting and desirable, it is one of the smallest market segments in the world. We are the only people who still have an interest in vacuum tubes. I live in a town of 8500, and there are only maybe 5-10 folks within 20 miles that would know what we're talking about here.

Guys like Paul, Alf and the rest build this stuff not for the love of money, but because the like what they do...and they are good at it.

Robbie may or may not have something, but if it turns out like it sounds, and at an affordable price, there are at least 6 pages of folks who are interested. Not many out of the millions here in the USA and elsewhere, but perhaps enough to start something that will keep Robbie busy for a long time.

That being said, if I do a rough count of posters, I should be #10 on the list..:AOK

[Frankenstrat2]

Originally Posted by Reverb

Last point well taken ( oh and I never meant to imply that you were slamming Robbie) That is why Clay Jones got out of it, he couldn't make a buck. Too much labor time to build these things by hand.
That is why the big boys need the volume and the Pacific Rim Labor. Obviously they are using high volume production techniques and hard tooling to bring costs down.

As I understand it, Clay never meant to get into pedal building production to begin with. He built some pedals for friends and got backed into a situation where he was committed to do a limited run that he never asked for, intended, or wanted to build. The rest is history.
My point was/is that Clay, Paul, Alf, even Dumble hinself could each make boatloads of money, *if* that was what they were interested in doing.
Apparently these fine folks are each committed to their own fiercly independent visions of what success and happiness means to them. Money for money's sake doesn't seem to be part of that vision.
FWIW, another very well-known and respected builder is also working on a D*mble inspired pedal
*Edit, and quote from builder:
"Skyliner EQ is gay IMHO, I've worked on 3 early 80's Dumble ODS 50's with the Music Man tranny's and this pedal will be based on those model ODS 50's (7 controls, footswitchable boost (12AX7), true bypass and have the option of 1/2 watt 8 ohm output or slap it on your pedalboard or straight into poweramp and use the effects loop). Both skyliner EQ's I played were 100 watters and never sounded as good as 50's I played and worked on. The ODS 50's I played had an incredible BF Fender Pro Reverb type of clean and the best sounding one had ALL ceramic coupling caps across the board! Weird... The other had orange drops.... Few ceramics too... Plus with all those switches and knobs, I'd rather try to figure out how to operate the Space Shuttle or go pound salt".... either way, it's tedious tweaking and can become boring in a pedal for some! :-)" End quote

You heard it here first. Should be available this summer. Let the D*mble-clone pedal wars begin!

[Frankenstrat2]

Originally Posted by bigroy

One of the things we're missing in this converstion is the fact that while we as players find this type of product very interesting and desirable, it is one of the smallest market segments in the world. We are the only people who still have an interest in vacuum tubes. I live in a town of 8500, and there are only maybe 5-10 folks within 20 miles that would know what we're talking about here.

Guys like Paul, Alf and the rest build this stuff not for the love of money, but because the like what they do...and they are good at it.

Robbie may or may not have something, but if it turns out like it sounds, and at an affordable price, there are at least 6 pages of folks who are interested. Not many out of the millions here in the USA and elsewhere, but perhaps enough to start something that will keep Robbie busy for a long time.

That being said, if I do a rough count of posters, I should be #10 on the list..:AOK

I think you are underestimating the power of the internet for direct sales to a niche market. One small thread here, buried in the Manufacturers and Dealers Discussion Area has spawned 7 pages of conversation in less than a week with posters standing in line with their wallets open. Guitar players a fanatical about tone, and toyz. A $300-$500 pedal that sounds amazing can easily compete with things like modeling pedals if it kicks *ss. Landgraff is an obvious example. The pedal market is much larger than boutique amps because the price-point is lower. If there are 10 people waiting to order Robbies pedal, there are 1,000 who will be ready to buy it when it is ready. Unfortunately, judging by the pitfalls that PaulC and Alf ran into with the Zen and Tim, meeting the deamnd is the real challenge for small builders who are fanatical about quality and control of their product.

[hunkowood]

It really depends.If Robbie is business savvy then this is his way to test the waters so to speak.He now knows the demand and can set up production to match it. Not to knock Paul C or Alf but their products blew up so fast they couldn't keep up with demand.

Hunk

[bigroy]

I agree with you now Frankenstrat2, I wasn't thinking about the internet.

But we're still a small market compared to say pet vitamins or damn near anything else.

[ericb]

I think this is the funniest thread I've ever seen bar none.. I've been dying to post that for a few days, but seems Barry beat me to it. I was wondering if there was a list to get on the list of the people who review the list that is the original list of the people who are allowed to be able to spend a thousand dollars on a completely unknown unproven pedal that will allow me to sound like I was playing a Boss BD2 but maybe a little different? This is only attempt at humor, not at putting down the unknown pedal! It might be the best pedal in the world, but I surely would not buy an unknown pedal for an unknown price . Best of luck to the hundreds of you who will though, and because of my resistance I miss out on these good things! Eric

[Macaroni]

No one has agreed to buy an unknown pedal for an unknown price.

Most people have indicated that they are interested (myself included), pending the final product and price. In other words, when it's 'finished', we'll listen to the final clips, and depending on the price, we may order one.

That doesn't seem so odd to me. He's got a working prototype that we've heard a clip of, and that is currently being tested, ie: not vaporware, and will refine it to the point where he feels it's ready to sell. That's a realistic proposition, IMO.