EVM12L vs EVM12S

[AlexF]

hey guys, can anyone tell me the difference between these? any noticeable sound difference?
many thanks
Al

[HHB]

I've had both and dont hear much differnce in a 112 guitar cab

[Robertito]

According to EV literature, the S has a small presence peak.

[scottl]

I have both. The S is a little smoother. The cone is a 75hz not a 55hz. The bass is a little lighter. The presence spike is smaller. It rolls off a little earlier.

Nice speaker.

[Red Suede]

In Boogies, if you want the old Carlton tone from the first two albums and the tone on the live videos from that era, the S is the one. That's what he used.

[Paul86]

Hey rhythmrocker,
Thank you very much for posting this!

[AlexF]

Thanks very much for the highly informative info guys, much appreciated as always
Al

[rwe333]

I sort of got the impression EV released the "S" to compete w/ the JBL designs of the time...

[kimock]

Originally Posted by rhythmrocker

The 12L was designed as a lead guitar speaker. Hence the L.
The 12S has a short frame and shallower cone, hence the S. This was done to get more midrange output.

Right, L and S. "L" for lead guitar and "S" for short, 'cuz short is the opposite of lead!
Nah, the L is for "Larry" 'cuz he used one, but not the 12. It wasn't enough, so he used the EVM 18L, the only 18 inch speaker designed for lead guitar approved by Larry, although he did use the EVM 15L in his Champ under mild protest but only because the 18L didn't fit.

See it's easy to make stuff up on the internet!:BEER

L= lead, not. Long maybe, low possibly,
S? Short maybe? Shallow? OK. . .

Careful what you read!

peace sk

[stratzrus]

I think Steve is right.

From what I have heard L and S stand for long and short with long being capable of a longer excursion.

[J.T. Guitar]

I heard you can send your Ls to EV and have them re-worked to Ss. Anyone?

[kimock]

Originally Posted by stratzrus

I think Steve is right.

From what I have heard L and S stand for long and short with long being capable of a longer excursion.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you can't fit an EVM-18L in a Champ . . .




peace!

[lastwinj]

Originally Posted by kimock

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you can't fit an EVM-18L in a Champ . . .

use big hammer, grasshopper!!!!!

[lastwinj]

been a long time since i removed either from my 4x12. IIRC, the 12s was a bit tighter, with a sweeter midrange. while the 12L is nice, i always felt the 12s was a better speaker.

[kimock]

Originally Posted by rhythmrocker

Note: I have amended my previous post, slightly. See hyperlink. At the same time, in the interest of knowing for sure what the L and S mean, I have not read one authority that states the L stands for long, or one that definitively states that the S stands for short;

Read the links to the 12L, and 12s that you posted. They both say in the first paragraph that those speakers were designed for "musical instrument and sound reinforcement". That's Electrovoice talking there, I'm gonna say that they're an authority on the subject. So, even though it doesn't prove what "L" stands for, your assertion that "L" stands for "lead" which according to you is what the speaker was designed for is not true. Again, they had an 18 with the L designation, and I seriously doubt that they designed an 18 for lead guitar. What do you think?

I relied on the experience of the "Old Guy" (you have to read that whole page to appreciate his appparent knowledge of speakers AND my inclination to paraphrase what he has said, perhaps mistakenly so.

Hey, wait a minute, I'm an old guy too!

FYI - a shallow frame will provide for a short excursion.

In this case it's a shallow cone, or short apex. hmmm?

One difference that we can all agree on is that the S spec sheets states that the S has an accentuated mid-range, as stated in my original post.

No, again please read the actual spec. sheet. Page two.
Look at the freq. response of both side by side, the S has less low end and more top in addition to a little extra upper mid. In plain english, it's a brighter speaker than the L. I just don't want to mischaracterize the diff between those two speakers.
If you dial up an L and plug in an S, the S is brighter. If you dial up an S and plug in an L, the L is darker. They both have beautiful midrange in an industrial sort of way. It's not like going from a D-130 to an Altec 417 kind of "accentuated midrange".
That was part of my job back in the '80's at Boogie, listening to and evaluating the performance of those two speakers. EV was OEM for us. I did a lot of listening, playing and gigs with that gear. YMMV. Amp, guitar, cabinet type and musical application depending, you might prefer one over the other, love or hate them both, depends. I was an "L" guy, (open back single 12) never bonded with the S. No biggie.

If I am wrong, let me know, unless it's time to just move on.:BEER

Thanks all.

OK you're wrong, let's move on! :BEER

peace!