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[drgonzoguitar]

Originally Posted by therhodeo

Yeah but 999,000 of those idiots are trying to do so in their bedroom at low volumes, using 9's, with the wrong type of pickups. Every piece of the equation is just that. A piece.

[charmboy]

Originally Posted by therhodeo

Yeah but 999,000 of those idiots are trying to do so in their bedroom at low volumes, using 9's, with the wrong type of pickups. Every piece of the equation is just that. A piece.

No doubt at all, my point is just that if two different types of players pick up the same exact guitar plugged into the same exact rig with the same exact levels on everything, they can sound considerably different, even when playing the same stuff. I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything like that, just that technique is as important a part to the equation as the other factors.

[Lt_Core]

Originally Posted by therhodeo

Yeah but 999,000 of those idiots are trying to do so in their bedroom at low volumes, using 9's, with the wrong type of pickups. Every piece of the equation is just that. A piece.

+1...that is some funny (and true) stuff!

[Craise]

If you can play guitar really good...you'll find that getting a good tone is really easy... that's why jeff beck can take a rat, a strat and marshall off the shelf and sound like Jeff Beck.. No you can't make single coils sound like humbuckers or fenders sound like marshalls with your hands...but if you can play good and know how to hit the right notes you'll be 90% of the way there...no one will care what gear you use..

Basically don't get all caught up in gear...learn how to play the f-ing guitar...

[nlopez]

Originally Posted by Windup 43

Sounds REALLY good, bit OCDish.

I am all for the small business, but, IMO, I can get this sound with my OCD

[gitpicker]

Attack and technique can have a tremendous effect on tone.[/quote]

+1 on this - I would even go so far as to say that attack and technique have the largest share of what affects tone. I played for many, many years without pedals using a BF Super Reverb with a HB equipped guitar - for many of those years I was playing pretty hard rock (Judas Priest, Metallica, God Smack, etc.). I learned a lot of picking and muting techinques that helped me to pull off those type of tones (or at least get close enough to them to fool an audience!) even though my rig was not ideal for that type of music. Often, when another player would sit in on my rig, they would sound harsh, brittle, and thin. I imagine many of them sounded great on thier own rigs, but you would be hard pressed to believe that the tone I was getting and the tone they were getting was coming out of the exact same rig with the exact same settings.

Nowadays I have a nice pedalboard populated with some nice dirt pedals, and I am in heaven. I do find, however, that I rarely run the gain knobs on my pedals past 9:00, no matter how much drive I need - if I need more "ummmph" I just dig in harder.

[telecopter]

Originally Posted by therhodeo

Yeah but 999,000 of those idiots are trying to do so in their bedroom at low volumes, using 9's, with the wrong type of pickups. Every piece of the equation is just that. A piece.

Wow, folks who use 9's are idiots. That's news to me...

So I have to prove my "man-ness" by using 13's?

[Windup 43]

Originally Posted by telecopter

Wow, folks who use 9's are idiots. That's news to me...

So I have to prove my "man-ness" by using 13's?

Billy Gibbons uses 8's, he'll never be a man

[charmboy]

Originally Posted by telecopter

Wow, folks who use 9's are idiots. That's news to me...

So I have to prove my "man-ness" by using 13's?

I don't think that's the point he was trying to make. Plenty of bad-ass "real men" use lighter gauge strings... I believe his point was that if you're trying to emulate somebody's tone who generally played on 13 gauge strings through a cranked amp, by playing on 9's through a bedroom level amp, you'd be idiotic to think you can match said tone.

[telecopter]

Originally Posted by charmboy

I don't think that's the point he was trying to make. Plenty of bad-ass "real men" use lighter gauge strings... I believe his point was that if you're trying to emulate somebody's tone who generally played on 13 gauge strings through a cranked amp, by playing on 9's through a bedroom level amp, you'd be idiotic to think you can match said tone.

I know, I was just "funnin'". I don't take stuff around these parts too seriously.

[therhodeo]

Yeah that had nothing to do with playing 9's. I use 9's for country stuff.

[Bucksears]

Don't Les Pauls come STOCK with 9's? I've always felt that they (LPs) sound a bit bright when I've played them in a store.
FWIW, Steve Vai once said that EVH came up to his house and they were hanging out. He picked up one of Steve's guitars and played it through Steve's rig and sounded just like Eddie.

[jamison162]

Originally Posted by charmboy

There's a million guys playing strats through tubescreamers attempting to sound like SRV that thoroughly prove the tone is in the hands point...

Attack and technique can have a tremendous effect on tone.

I'm tired of hearing the SRV disclaimers. We all know that. And I don't think the argument is so much for "tone" as it is his style and techniques.

[charmboy]

Originally Posted by jamison162

I'm tired of hearing the SRV disclaimers. We all know that. And I don't think the argument is so much for "tone" as it is his style and techniques.

I thought that was pretty much the point I was making there.

[therhodeo]

Originally Posted by charmboy

I thought that was pretty much the point I was making there.