NEW Indyguitarist Cranked AC

[jamison162]

Originally Posted by charmboy

I thought that was pretty much the point I was making there.

Well you and I distinguish "tone" a little different. To me tone is brightness or warmth, texture of od, etc. Then there's the actual music, the "sound", the final product as a whole, style and technique, etc. What SRV accomplished was way more than just "tone". So to say his "tone" was in his hands is kind of missing the whole point.

[therhodeo]

You're really over examining this. If someone doesn't have the "tone" then they're not going to have the "sound".

[jamison162]

Originally Posted by therhodeo

You're really over examining this. If someone doesn't have the "tone" then they're not going to have the "sound".

Hehehehehe.

[BrianWampler]

Originally Posted by Jay Douglas

wouldn't be a bit surprised.
Brian is/was HEAVILY involved with the "pirate effects pedal site."
Hey, a man's gotta make a living.
One day a Pirate, the next a Corporate head

nah... I'm not HEAVILY involved with them at all. In fact, the main "pirates", analogguru and modman and I don't get along AT ALL. Simply because I make a living building guitar effects and I'm proud of America as a whole. Ridiculous.

The only reason I find that forum a breath of fresh air is simply because most of the pedals people hype on their website are just clones. If they aren't clones, they are the same damn circuit with a couple of values changed. Then, they pull the pedals from their site to create demand. Then, they supply that demand for a period of time. No names mentioned, but I'm sure a couple of people here will be able to figure out who actually is doing something somewhat original or who is trying to sell the same pedal to the same group of people. That's just plain freaking wrong to me.

That forum just exposes what is hype and what is original.

Of all the pedals I have, the closest thing I have to a clone is the plextortion, which is basically a marshall guv'nor with value changes (and a more accurate eq section) into a jfet stage on the end.

Anyway, it isn't an OCD, it is all jfets. Doubled up Jfets to be exact. the key to various tones with jfet circuits is eq between stages and eq at the tail end.

As far as soundclips, the youtube videos is as close as I can do to being accurate... you are hearing room sound and not a close mic'd sound (which most guys use - you can get dramatically different tones simply due to mic placement).

I will say that I'm flattered to have a thread here about the pedal - most here on the gear page don't care for my effects it seems, which is fine, I'm just suprised.

Oh, and as far as me being a "corporate head", I work out of a garage.

bw

[charmboy]

Originally Posted by jamison162

Well you and I distinguish "tone" a little different. To me tone is brightness or warmth, texture of od, etc. Then there's the actual music, the "sound", the final product as a whole, style and technique, etc. What SRV accomplished was way more than just "tone". So to say his "tone" was in his hands is kind of missing the whole point.

Hmm, Seems like you're making a pretty big assumption based on a couple of posts I've made... I made my living for quite a few years as a classical guitarist, so it's safe to assume I understand what goes in and comes out in reference to tone; that's not to say I'm anything special because of that particular experience, but the fact that I've logged countless hours with only my hands and a guitar between me and the audience is at least a fair indication that I understand there is more to tone than just the hands.

I never said SRV's tone was all in his hands... in fact if you roll it back and read the post prior to the one you quoted by me, you'll see that i said "technique is as important a part to the equation as the other factors"

I'm not the type to make a big deal out here, I just don't like being quoted out of context.

[buddaman71]

Originally Posted by charmboy

No doubt at all, my point is just that if two different types of players pick up the same exact guitar plugged into the same exact rig with the same exact levels on everything, they can sound considerably different, even when playing the same stuff. I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything like that, just that technique is as important a part to the equation as the other factors.

100% Agreement.

Of course every variable affects the tone, but if tone is all in the equipment, how come 2 pianists can sound completely different playing the exact same piano? Phrasing, touch, mojo, personality....

[jaywalker]

Funnily enough I was watching that clip yesterday and I thought it sounded EXACTLY like my old Marshall Drivemaster through my AC30. No kidding. Will try to do a clip to illustrate.
Uncanny resemblance. I like it though.

[Aussie_Rambler]

Originally Posted by Guitar Josh

It's pretty authentic. However, I have NEVER been able to replicate the tones he gets from the clips, even on the same settings with virtually the same equipment (Blues Jr. amp set to clean, various strats and LPs). that's why I stopped buying his pedals.

THIS IS NOT A BASH. I love Brian, he's ridiculously talented, I'm just saying I can't replicate the tone I love on the site at home, that's all.

All his blues Jr's are modified. He has the mods on his site ad you can do it yourself. Personally I have been able to get the tone of his pedals. Im really tempted on this one

[Aussie_Rambler]

Originally Posted by buddaman71

100% Agreement.

Of course every variable affects the tone, but if tone is all in the equipment, how come 2 pianists can sound completely different playing the exact same piano? Phrasing, touch, mojo, personality....

I agree it has a Marshall preamp tone about it. When he kicks it up is more Marshall the AC-30.

Someone should concentrate on getting the AC-30 almost clean to good breakup in a pedal for stacking. Thats where its at for an AC-30 for me.

[TheFlash]

Originally Posted by Aussie_Rambler

I agree it has a Marshall preamp tone about it. When he kicks it up is more Marshall the AC-30.

Someone should concentrate on getting the AC-30 almost clean to good breakup in a pedal for stacking. Thats where its at for an AC-30 for me.

Have you tried the Menatone TBIAC for that purpose? I'm using mine as my last dirt pedal to do exactly what you're talking about. It sounds phenomenal to my ears!

[Bucksears]

I'm curious if this is a JFET-based pedal.
Might use lower-gain transistors if so.

[BrianWampler]

Originally Posted by Bucksears

I'm curious if this is a JFET-based pedal.
Might use lower-gain transistors if so.

yes, see earlier post... it is jfet 201's, doubled up actually. 3 gain stages, limit the bass between stages, eq the end so it has that same tonality as a cranked up ac-30. I'm going for Brian May-ish type tone. ROG has a brian may type circuit available for DIY'ers, but mine is quite a bit different.

bw

[BrianWampler]

Originally Posted by TheFlash

Have you tried the Menatone TBIAC for that purpose? I'm using mine as my last dirt pedal to do exactly what you're talking about. It sounds phenomenal to my ears!

the tbiac would be the best for this IMO - it has that top boost tonestack that is key in getting that tone... the old ac-30's would roll off the highs quite a bit when cranked.

bw

[Bucksears]

Nice - I've built the 'May Queen' before and while I liked the Mick-Ronson-Ziggy-Stardust-treble & mids thing it has going, it was a little bright and could get nasal at times.

If you are referring to mu-amp stages a la the BSIAB II, then I'm in. Any chance I can swap out different transistors if I want to change the sound a little? i.e. sockets
If not, that's ok.

[jamison162]

Originally Posted by buddaman71

100% Agreement.

Of course every variable affects the tone, but if tone is all in the equipment, how come 2 pianists can sound completely different playing the exact same piano? Phrasing, touch, mojo, personality....

Because that's called music, and "tone" is just ONE aspect of the whole experience. Dynamics and the other stuff you mention included. It all depends on what one's definition of "tone" is. Seems like everyone these days wants to box all of these things into one key catch word "tone".