Is Blues dying.............again?

[eddie101]

Originally Posted by karmadave

As long as people are going through pain, struggles, and hardship, the Blues will never die. The Blues is life and story-telling in song.

-KD

That is what they say about so called Rap music, which is kinda oxymoron thing with me. I don't think - I could be wrong - you even need an elec guitar for that kind of music.

[greggorypeccary]

Originally Posted by bluesjuke

Don't forget that the old white Blues lovers have been loving them since their youth.
Love of Blues isn't issued with an AARP Membership card.

+1!! Now, I'm nowhere near AARP age, but I first saw B.B. King when I was a teenager in the early 80's. Been loving the blues ever since!

[Gargloic]

Originally Posted by darth_vader

For everyone saying that blues lives on in rock: I think you need to go back and take another listen to some real blues. I'm not trying to be a blues purist here, but there is a big difference in feel between blues and most (not all, but most) rock. Bonamassa may be playing blues licks, but he does them with a straight-up rock feel, not a blues feel. Same goes for Gary Moore.

What does real blues means?

What is real rock?

Is it: She loves you, Honky tonk woman, Stairway to heaven, Brain damage, Barracuda, Won't get fooled again, Logical song, Highway star, More than a feeling, Sharp dressed man, Rock this town or Roxane?

If you can answer all of the above, I guess the same can be applied to blues

IMVHO

Gargloic

[darth_vader]

Originally Posted by Gargloic

What does real blues means?

What is real rock?

Is it: She loves you, Honky tonk woman, Stairway to heaven, Brain damage, Barracuda, Won't get fooled again, Logical song, Highway star, More than a feeling, Sharp dressed man, Rock this town or Roxane?

If you can answer all of the above, I guess the same can be applied to blues

IMVHO

Gargloic

Surely we can all agree on the difference between a "blues" feel and a straight-up "rock" feel????

If you can't hear the difference, then I don't know what to tell you

[Scott Miller]

Surely we can all agree on the difference between a "blues" feel and a straight-up "rock" feel????

No, we can't. The first problem is knowing what "feel" is. The second problem is how you have learned what the feel of the music is. If you learned that the blues feel is Joe Bonnamossa, you have a different idea of what the blues feel is than the person who learned that the blues feel is Robert Lockwood.

[bluesbreaker59]

Originally Posted by darth_vader

Surely we can all agree on the difference between a "blues" feel and a straight-up "rock" feel????

If you can't hear the difference, then I don't know what to tell you

Yes there is a difference in the two "feels".

That's like saying there is no difference between REAL country (Buck Owens) compared with Rascal Flatts (pop)

[greggorypeccary]

Originally Posted by bluesbreaker59

Yes there is a difference in the two "feels".

That's like saying there is no difference between REAL country (Buck Owens) compared with Rascal Flatts (pop)

Correct on both counts sir!

(IMO, of course)

[Gas-man]

Originally Posted by bluesbreaker59

Yes there is a difference in the two "feels".

That's like saying there is no difference between REAL country (Buck Owens) compared with Rascal Flatts (pop)

Why is Buck Owens REAL COUNTRY and not Mother Maybelle?



Buck got in a lot of hot water in his day for using rock and roll embellishments like tom-toms on his songs with the guys that liked REAL COUNTRY.

[bluesbreaker59]

Originally Posted by Gas-man

Why is Buck Owens REAL COUNTRY and not Mother Maybelle?



Buck got in a lot of hot water in his day for using rock and roll embellishments like tom-toms on his songs with the guys that liked REAL COUNTRY.

I didn't say Mother Maybelle, of course The Carter Family is real country. I compared Buck to Rascal Flatts. Do you hear the difference?

[jumpnblues]

"[...If you learned that the blues feel is Joe Bonnamossa, you have a different idea of what the blues feel is than the person who learned that the blues feel is Robert Lockwood...]"


Just because someone learned that Joe Bonnamassa's music has a blues feel doesn't make what he plays blues. Joe is a great player, but I'd bet even he would tell you he plays blues influenced rock and roll and not straight/traditional blues. I've said this before in other posts...I can't define straight/traditional blues, but I know it when I hear it. There are subtlties and nuances that make "real" blues what it is. And if a player doesn't know what those subtlties are, then they haven't made an honest study of the genre beyond simple "jamming". I thought I knew what blues was too when I first started playing it. But the longer I played it and really studied it I found out I didn't know what I was talking about. The boundries can certainly get blurred though. For example, does Coco Montoya usually play blues or blues influenced rock and roll? The answer to me is...yes. I've heard him play both. But if you notice, his playing style and phrasing changes...albeit subtley. I have a West Coast blues CD with Coco on it and I would certainly call what he plays on that particular CD, blues. Yes, the parameters can get very blurred. When it's that close it just doesn't matter to me anyway. But that is the overwhelming minority of the time. Ninety five percent of the time I can tell "real"/straight/traditional blues from blues influenced rock and roll.
And there's nothing wrong with blues influenced rock and roll. People can get really emotional about the differences. But what's wrong with calling it blues influenced rock and roll? Nothing. As I said, Joe Bonnamassa is a great player. Walter Trout is a great player. Gary Moore is a great player. Blues influenced rock? Certainly. And done extremely well. But don't try to tell me what they play is blues because IMHO it isn't. JMHO, YMMV.


Tom

[frank62]

OK, as long as people get the blues and they always wiil there will be blues music. For the most part the blues is the human condition. Nobody is exempt.

[MBreinin]

Originally Posted by Alvis

A slow agonizing death due to the closed minded folks that run the scene

Well, man...as long as there are guys like you keeping it alive, I think it is in good shape!

Mike

[Gas-man]

Originally Posted by bluesbreaker59

I didn't say Mother Maybelle, of course The Carter Family is real country. I compared Buck to Rascal Flatts. Do you hear the difference?

I didn't think you did.

The point here is that the guys like you who declare that Rascal Flatts is not "real country" are the same guys (of a different generation) who thought Buck Owens was not "real country" 40 years ago.

There is no such thing as real country. It's a constantly changing pop format that is always bringing in new influences.

Why should it be frozen in time in 1965 as the standard? Why isn't it frozen in time in the 40's with the Carter Family?

Dig?

[rob2001]

Originally Posted by Gargloic

What does real blues means?

What is real rock?

It's all perspective. In the late 70's/ early 80's I was a young, gigging rock guitarist. To me at that time, anything that sounded remotely like Chuck Berry was blues.

When SRV came out I thought, straight up blues player.

I'm still a rock player now but my understanding of blues is totally different to what it was then, rendering the previous ideas of blues kindof comical. But even then I understood what Frank62 points out. It was and is about the human condition.

[bluesbreaker59]

Originally Posted by Gas-man

I didn't think you did.

The point here is that the guys like you who declare that Rascal Flatts is not "real country" are the same guys (of a different generation) who thought Buck Owens was not "real country" 40 years ago.

There is no such thing as real country. It's a constantly changing pop format that is always bringing in new influences.

Why should it be frozen in time in 1965 as the standard? Why isn't it frozen in time in the 40's with the Carter Family?

Dig?

Rascal Flatts is a pop band, dig? Most of the stuff on modern country radio is watered down 90's pop with distorted Les Pauls, and men with lots of makeup and metro clothes, OR half dressed females.

I haven't heard much "****reee" music in the last almost 20 years. Right around the time Garth Brooks hit the scene IMHO. Who knows maybe it was when Ray Price went "Countr-politan"

Give me Merle, Paycheck, Cash, Buck, Possum, Dale Watson, Junior Brown, Lefty Frizzell, Red Simpson, Hank Sr., etc.