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Old 10-31-2008, 08:44 AM
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Question Why is the Les Paul switch labelled 'Rhythm & Treble'?

Surely it should be either 'Bass & Treble' or 'Rhythm & Lead'.

Was the whole idea when they first made it that the neck pickup was strictly for rhythm and the bridge for leads?

Discuss...
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:48 AM
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Was the whole idea when they first made it that the neck pickup was strictly for rhythm and the bridge for leads?
Yes. We're talking the 1950s after all.
But us musicians never do things the conventional way do we?
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:49 AM
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I don';t know.

Front and back, bass and treble, rhythm and lead, neck and bridge, sing and scream, thick and fat, woody and gnarly........angelic and demonic..

It's all good.
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:49 AM
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Why was the Whammy bar called a Tremolo bar when it actually performed vibrato on the strings?



Well, I work in advertising... and from my experience, my guess was that it was some stupid ass ad-executive that thought of it...
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:50 AM
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I take the switch ring off precisely so I don't have to think about this deep and controversial dilemma.
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:52 AM
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I think to know for sure how Gibson decided on those words you would probably have to ask Les Paul (probably not on forum) or Ted McCarty (no longer with us), but I would surmise that in the early 50's when the LP was first produced there was no such thing as "Lead" guitar, and "Bass" would have been a poor choice, as that word specifically describes a different instrument.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:26 AM
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Why was the Whammy bar called a Tremolo bar when it actually performed vibrato on the strings?



Well, I work in advertising... and from my experience, my guess was that it was some stupid ass ad-executive that thought of it...
Same guy at Fender that called tremolo "vibrato" on their amps ...
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:02 AM
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I think to know for sure how Gibson decided on those words you would probably have to ask Les Paul (probably not on forum) or Ted McCarty (no longer with us), but I would surmise that in the early 50's when the LP was first produced there was no such thing as "Lead" guitar, and "Bass" would have been a poor choice, as that word specifically describes a different instrument.
This sounds so sensible that I expect it's what actually happened.

Exec 1: So, we've got two pickups and two sounds. What do we call them?
Exec 2: Well, you've got a treble-ish one and a bass-ish one. Why not call them that? Treble and Bass.
Exec 1: Yeah, that's just what I need. Some guy complaining to the dealer that his bass guitar doesn't work when it's in the 'Bass' position. No thanks.
Exec 2: OK, ok. How about the parts they play in the orchestra? Rhythm and... err... something. Solo? Do guitarists have solos?
Exec 1: How the hell would I know? What if we put it on there and everyone's upset because they never get a solo and can't use half of their guitar? Uh-uh.
Exec 2: Fine. Let's split the difference: rhythm and treble. Everyone's a winner.
Exec 1: Sweet. Time for lunch.
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:17 AM
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Surely it should be either 'Bass & Treble' or 'Rhythm & Lead'.

Was the whole idea when they first made it that the neck pickup was strictly for rhythm and the bridge for leads?

Discuss...
That's basically it, and probably for the same reason strats don't have a tone control on the bridge pickup, (older strats) it was the "lead" pickup.
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:19 AM
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why not just label them up and down? or no label at all?
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:24 AM
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muddy and shrill
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:26 AM
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muddy and shrill
That's pretty close.
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:28 AM
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My fav is the light on my plexi marked "indicator".

Now that's profound.
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:39 AM
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I always thought it was because ''red" and ''green" would've looked silly.

Seriously, I always remove that stupid ring because it looks retarded.
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:02 AM
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muddy and shrill
Nah,Muddy was already taken

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