My GigRig Pro14 is hands down the best thing I've bought in 5yrs!

[celestion101]

I'm so blown away by this thing that I am convinced it's better than sliced bread! My NoCaster is a close second and I am happy with my amps as well, but this thing is truly exceptional. My opinions on gear are always based on how something works on stage because that is where the truth shines through (I gig a few nights per week). For example, I've had pedals that sounded great at the house, and then like crap at gig volumes.....or guitars that I thought would be comfortable on stage and then didn't work out...I hate when this happens. The Pro14 rocks no matter where I use it. Besides the obvious joy of not tap dancing any more, the features make it very useable in many ways. For instance having the ability to boost a pedal (pre or post options) is soooo nice. In some cases I use the same pedals on two presets, but I have one turned up a bit for solo's. Anoter example...I have a volume pedal on the board (positioned post gain but before then delays) and I have it active on certain patches but bypassed on others (for steel licks, or building intros etc.). Anyway, I could go on and will if anyone has questions, but I just wanted to give props to this fine piece of gear. If you're a pedal player, it's definitely worth looking into. It's not cheap, but I now consider it a value for all it does. I for one will never gig without it again!: And no I am not affiliated, but instead simply elated.

[webb]

How do you place your wah pedal? If you use one.

[celestion101]

Originally Posted by webb

How do you place your wah pedal? If you use one.

I'm not using one often enough to put it on the board, so if I bring one to the gig it's on the floor before my pedalboard (guitar>wah>pedalboard>amp). Works great.

[stubbyJ]

This is just a confirmation of what celestion101 indicated.

I can honestly say that my P14 has made my live play/sound much, much better. I play contemporary modern worship music, which often involves a great deal of delay, modulation and different textures of od/distortion.

I no longer have think about stepping on pedals, I can simply concentrate on the few chops I have. Best of all, I can go from a comp, delay, phaser and reverb, to od and slap back delay in on stomp, AND not miss the transition from verse to chorus.

No more need for a boost pedal, as Celestion101 mentioned, one can use the same tone twice, and simply turn on the internal pre or post boost for the solo tone.

What is also cool is that if I find at rehearsal, one of my tones is too loud, I simply turn that patch down - no more messing with a pedal between songs.

I can't say enough about it. The other members of my team indicate how much they appreciate my tone after the P14. Obviously, not because of my 1 chop wonder self, but because I can sculpt tones that very much add to the feel we are attempting to create with a given song. My teammates have all played professionally and 2 are recording artists. I mention this only to create some element of validity to their previously stated opinion; not to toot any horns.

Emotion and opinion aside, fact indicates that there are tonal doors/options opened with the PP14 that simply don't exist without it.

Oh, did I forget to mention that the money you save on a boost pedal and overpriced cables to avoid daisy chain suck, can be put to the PP14.

If you use TOO many pedals like myself, get one, you'll never regret it and never look back.

Just an FYI: There is a guy on this forum with pictures of his MEGA RIG, it includes two or three PP14s and a billion of the best pedals money can buy. I mention this, for he explains some the advantages of his rig utilizing the PP14 much better than myself.

Ok, I will stop being poster-child now.

[Tonefish]

I'll plus-up this one too. I couldn't make do without it!!!

[forum_crawler]

Does it have the option of running a part of the loop as a pre-amp loop? and another for the FX loop? How about midi?

If it did these two, then it would truly be a great switcher!

[Tonefish]

Originally Posted by forum_crawler

Does it have the option of running a part of the loop as a pre-amp loop? and another for the FX loop? How about midi?

If it did these two, then it would truly be a great switcher!

Here Yah go....



It'll do amp channel/switching for you too. It does not have midi as it is intended for footswitching, but it's brother, the MIDI-8, does.

[stubbyJ]

F_crawler

I hope the following answers your question, but in short, there is no MIDI option.

I only run it through the front of a single combo., but you have two outs to select from.

With these outs:

1. You can run to two different amps and designate on each channel of the P14, which amp you want to go to.

2. Change channels on one, two channel amp.

3. You can also set it up to run delays and such through the loop, while also having your comps and other devices in front. This may limit you to one amp however.

I have not been back to the manual for some time, and like I said, I run it in the most basic form, so I could be wrong on some particulars, but I do think what I indicated it correct.

Daniel also offers the Loopy devices for further options.

I do hear ya on the MIDI function, although I don't use it, the 4 channel amp guys might need to look elsewhere - I think.

Daniel, any input. or hint of a midi option in the future?

[wahwah]

There's a commandment that says something along the lines of "thou shalt not covet..." I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to GigRigs. I hope not anyway, because I'm sitting here coveting like crazy...



Cheers.................................. wahwah

[stubbyJ]

Um

I have dial-up and did not see what tonefish sent, I aplologize for the redundancy. Also, I had no idea about the MIDI 8's, MIDI capabilities, although It's STATED DIRECTLY IN THE NAME. Not the brightest bulb, sorry.

[forum_crawler]

Originally Posted by Tonefish

Here Yah go....



It'll do amp channel/switching for you too. It does not have midi as it is intended for footswitching, but it's brother, the MIDI-8, does.

Originally Posted by stubbyJ

F_crawler

I hope the following answers your question, but in short, there is no MIDI option.

I only run it through the front of a single combo., but you have two outs to select from.

With these outs:

1. You can run to two different amps and designate on each channel of the P14, which amp you want to go to.

2. Change channels on one, two channel amp.

3. You can also set it up to run delays and such through the loop, while also having your comps and other devices in front. This may limit you to one amp however.

I have not been back to the manual for some time, and like I said, I run it in the most basic form, so I could be wrong on some particulars, but I do think what I indicated it correct.

Daniel also offers the Loopy devices for further options.

I do hear ya on the MIDI function, although I don't use it, the 4 channel amp guys might need to look elsewhere - I think.

Daniel, any input. or hint of a midi option in the future?

Thank you for your information!
I do feel the need for separate loops for the front and for the FX loops. I like the way my chorus/reverb/delay sound through the FX loop, not to mention that there are no clipping issues either and therefore I can't hit the front of the amp with a hotter signal.

The midi would be awesome now that I own a DC TimeLine. The midi-8 seems like it would be a good choice but I have too many pedals now, and it doesn't have enought loops!

These two pieces of equipment however, seem to be of the highest quality! but the for asking price I need more! he he

[Tube Guy]

Originally Posted by stubbyJ

Just an FYI: There is a guy on this forum with pictures of his MEGA RIG, it includes two or three PP14s and a billion of the best pedals money can buy. I mention this, for he explains some the advantages of his rig utilizing the PP14 much better than myself.

Ok, I will stop being poster-child now.

Thanks Stubby, here's my post from that thread

Originally Posted by Tube Guy

Yes, the black switching units are GigRigs. There are a lot of reasons why I use GigRigs:

Avoiding Tone Loss
I did an experiment and found that whilst I could hear little difference with four 6" patch cords in the signal path, as soon as it got to eight cords the sound had deteriorated. That's without the added noise from Carling switches and any non-bypass tone-sucking circuits. Basically, I would be unhappy running more than 5 true bypass pedals without some form of isolation. The GigRig allows me to have a clean signal path with only those pedals in circuit that are actually being used. Gold relays rather than crude switches mean that my tone is preserved.

Any pedal combination on one footswitch
Allows me to switch from a Police tone (Chorus plus comp) to a Queen tone (Eternity plus treble booster) with one click.

Ability to A/B pedals
Many great pedals have failed the AB test. setting them up so that one click toggles between them allows for detailed comparisons. However, it also means that I have little room for pedals that change my base tone where I want it to be constant (T-Rex Replica for instance). A recent comp shootout eliminated some all time favourites. I side with Tag on this topic - the only meaningful reviews are those that do side by side comparisons, testing pedals in isolation lacks a frame of reference.

Ability to set up OD pedals with/without buffers and volumes changes
Whenever I get a new OD I try it with and without buffers in front or behind. The Eternity, for instance sounds poorer without a buffer after it due to its output impedance. Some pedals also sound better at higher than unity gain, the KOT as an example. In this case I then set the output volume for that loop to be lower to bring the volume back down whilst keeping the enhanced tone. It was the only way I could use my COT50 when I had it. Finally, many great combinations appear by boosting with a Tim/ Klon or following with an EQ or amp like pedal (clean MoD). I would never have chanced upon the Tim -> CJOD -> SBEQ combination otherwise.

And the thread itself is http://www.thegearpage.net/board/sho...d.php?t=291657

[stubbyJ]

Tube Guy (Sorry to all for deviating from the topic)

Hey. Thanks for offering that. I went back the thread and saw two pedals I'm interested in.
Could I please ask you a question regarding two pedals you have? I am considering the Landgraff D/O or and or the Mo'd. Still on honeymoon, but I hear the D/O and thought it sounded great. I was not expecting to hear it on that given day, so I did not have any of my pedals with to compare, nor my rig. I currently run the KOT, Barber small fry, AYA drivesta (going bye bye soon) and Subdecay LSS.

In your opinion is the D/O overkill to the KOT. Like I mentioned, I was going off memory and a foreign rig, but the D/O seemed to have more gain and be a bit more Marshally, opposed to the sweet mids of the KOT. This would replace the drivesta, for there is a certain graininess/treble to it that I can't get over.

Mo'd, much more gain that the D/O? Can it clean up to be in D/O world? Both different enough to warrant both - YES, I realize you have both, but just thought I'd ask?

Oh, I don't record, just play live, if this dictates opinion.

Thanks in advance, Stubs

[Tube Guy]

I guess it depends on your amp(s).The LDO is a TS variant that sounds wonderful, but is probably best matched to a blackfaced amp. The M'OD is a great pedal that works with a wider variety of amps, some say it is Rat-based. I believe it has more gain than the LDO but normally I run most of my ODs below 12 o'clock as I generally prefer their tones there.

In the end I've ended up with 2 M'ODs (set differently) and let the LDO go. An Ulbrick 12AXE displaced my LDO. I certainly don't think the LDO would be overkill with the KOT, different tonalities in each.

[Tube Guy]

Quick props to Dan for alerting me to this GigRig love-fest via his ToneReview email.