How to reduce the TGP Fractal wars

[solo-act]

A few friendly suggestions (IMHO, YMMV, etc...)

#1 Understand that a miced guitar rig (axe-fx or real) doesn't have the same acoustic "experience" or the same acoustic sound as an unmiced guitar rig.

#2 Understand the axe-fx is not a 100% exact duplicate of a tube amp -- miced or un-miced.

#3 Reduce the ignorance about the finer details of #1 & #2 and the available workarounds to #1 & #2.

#4 Stop placing judgements on others because of their personal preferences regarding any of the above.

#5 Increase the overall TGP gig experience (less posturing) -- We need more TGP members with at least 20 gigs on BOTH real rigs and axe-fx rigs.

#6 Remember the audience -- their most common reference for tone is a miced rig.


A couple more thoughts.

Here on TGP, we often confuse the tone of the physical gear with the tone of a players hands & technique. The same goes for the acousic experience of an amp on stage and the magic dynamics of what a tube (real or virtual) does to the volume/tone inputs of hands on a guitar.
One does not equal the other, nor are they mutually exclusive.

A final "not as friendly" comment:

The overblown claims from pro-axefx people, the aggressive judgemental crap from both sides of the fence, and the overall lack of significant real-world gig & recording experience with BOTH platforms -- they all smack of amateur and ignorant minds coming together to make a bunch of useless noise.

If we remember that list and act on it, maybe there'll be less useless noise and more useful information.

[TornadoOfSouls]

Wat

[Shiny McShine]

What he's asking for is less of this...



and to consider this...



some of this...



none of this...



to know when to do this...



so we can avoid this...

[jpage]

Sorry, but these things remind me of the old ADA MP-1 preamps that everyone told me were going to revolutionize guitar amplification in the early 80s.

[Noah]

Unbelievable...

[solo-act]

Originally Posted by jpage

Sorry, but these things remind me of the old ADA MP-1 preamps that everyone told me were going to revolutionize guitar amplification in the early 80s.

Me too when I first got wind of it.

I remember I tried out an ADA a looong time ago. I hated it right out of the gate. I lived with a JMP1 for a while, then went Egnator pre, then to tubes -- fuchs, badger, then back to the rack thing for transport and versatility. That ada though.....*barf*

[jpage]

Yeah, I'm not saying I was right LOL. I'll have to keep my eye out to see/hear/play one. Even if it were perfect though, I would worry about repairs and obsolescence.

[Sparky6string]

This thing has gone on too long for it to not have some substance. These owners of the Axe-fx are genuinely happy with them, and they are players who have been around the block a few times. It may not be for everyone, but it appears that it is a legitimate option and this kind of thing is going to be around from now on.

[jpage]

Don't see how anyone can argue with that statement...

[Shiny McShine]

God, just listen to the clips. The low gain stuff is amazing sounding. Here's the deal, even if (and I say if) it doesn't satisfy quite like a tube amp, it solves big issues for those in working situations where they must emulate many different tones and effects settings, work with rented back line, and minimize cartage. The high gain tones are right on and most of the left hand guys (tappers and light pickers) seem to get along with them really well.

[daddyo]

Why can't we just go back to the way it used to be - dissing DRRIs . . .

[Randy Van Sykes]

Wars? What wars?

You don't see them if you don't go looking for them.

[TornadoOfSouls]

Originally Posted by Suproman77

Oh yeah, VERY friendly approach there.



This thread is already no better than the others....

rofl, I did find that to be oddly ironic as well even though I've never participated in these Axe-FX discussions before.

Sounds like someone just has a tender butt hole that's been recently exposed to sand.

[solo-act]

Originally Posted by Suproman77

Oh yeah, VERY friendly approach there.



This thread is already no better than the others....

The last paragraph isn't part of the friendly suggestion list. In fact it's a comment, not a suggestion. However, if it'll help people who take offence, I labeled it as "unfriendly", and changed it a tad.

As I said it's IMHO, YMMV etc.

Anyway I need to get out the door to my gig. Have good evening gents.

[TornadoOfSouls]

Originally Posted by solo-act

the last paragraph isn't part of the friendly suggestion list. In fact it's a comment, not a suggestion. However, if it'll help people who take offence, i labeled it as "unfriendly", and changed it a tad.

As i said it's imho, ymmv etc.

Anyway i need to get out the door to my gig. Have good evening gents.

whoa, what's it like to gig?

None of us have ever done it.