Mick Goodrick - Melodic Strand Replication Proceedure

[Clifford-D]

Regarding "Mick Goodrick - Almanac of Guitar Voice Leading"

Could the MSRP (at the bottom of the page) be saying that the first three notes of
the bass voice will determine the outcome of the voice leading within a cycle???

I notice that the MSRP appears in each voice at different cycle locations.
In fact the whole MSRP strand is repeated in every voice.

I also see the seven groupings of three note MSRP. (at the bottom of each page)
the first note in each grouping goes through a cycle of its own.

ie; Here's a MSRP from the first pink section pg 2
CCD EEF GGA BBC DDE FFG AAB

the first note in each grouping goes C E G B D F A - cycle 3
the second note goes C E G B D F A - cycle 3
the third note goes D F A C E G B - cycle 3

So the MSRP of CCD will generate this whole cycle on pg 2.
other MSRP will generate other paths though the voice leading
leading to unique voicings.

- What confuses me is that the cycle of the bigger (whole) progression is cycle 4 ??????
(I corrected this, I originally called it cycle 2 by mistake)

Four note chords have four note groupings in the MSRP,and the
same phenom occurs, the first note of each grouping will form one of the six cycles
and that repeats in all the other MSRP notes at staggered times.
Facinating.

This seems true with all the examples in the book.


I get it, I see that the melodic strand is the DNA for each cycle example.
Each cycle has a different sequence of melodic DNA.

Did I get it right??

[Clifford-D]

Hey guys/gals

If at all possible I would love some feedback on whether I'm on track here.

Hope to hear from someone.

[dewey decibel]

My cat's breath smells like cat food

[countandduke]

"Uhhmm, it was my understanding that there would be no math..."

This sounds like it's from the newest Mick Almanac? I have yet to look through it but it sounds like a wealth of info so hopefully someone will chime in here and let you know if you are on the right track. I would maybe even try contacting Mick yourself through his website? Might just get through to him....

Good luck,

Chris

[Dutchmaster55]

Hook an ignorant brother up and maybe I can help you out. What in the hell is MSRP?

[kimock]

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[JonR]

Originally Posted by Dutchmaster55

Hook an ignorant brother up and maybe I can help you out. What in the hell is MSRP?

See thread title... (which will answer your question in one sense, if not in another... )

[Mandoboy]

Clifford, I think you did get it right; there are many things in this book left unspoken for us to discover on our own- I love working with this stuff!

[hangten]

Interesting post Clif - maybe this will help.

For the example you chose the 2nd page of the first pink section) the msrp is: CCD EEF GGA BBC DDE , etc.
Also it is cycle 4, NOT cycle 2...this might be what is causing you problems...

now go up to the top and look at the bottom voice as it goes thru the cycle:
CCDEEFGGABBC, etc - -the MSRP.

if you look at the other voices you will see the MSRP happening in them as well - they are just offset like a round.
Look at the MSRP at the bottom - he has indicated where the 1, 3, and 5 of the starting chord are in the msrp - you can go up to the top and follow each voice by starting where he indicated in the msrp...

So the msrp is like the dna of the voicing+cycle COMBINED. it is the little melodic line that is the basic unit of the voicing/cycle combo. If you change one of these elements (the voicing or the cycle or actually the scale), you will have a new msrp. you are playing it 3 times at once when you play thru the cycle playing all 3 notes at a time, but the melodies are offset like a round. Playing the msrp by itself can help you begin to hear what the next chord should be as you play thru the entire page, rather than just reading it...

[DaveinLondon]

Can't help with Clifford's questions I'm afraid but I thought I'd point out for the Goodrick fans that will check this thread that Mick and his co-author Mitch Haupers are running a week-long music camp in early Summer: www.mrgoodchord.com

[Clifford-D]

Thanks Hangten

oops on the cycle 4, I will fix that

The other things you talk about seem right on with what I presented. for the most part.

[Clifford-D]

Originally Posted by Mandoboy

Clifford, I think you did get it right; there are many things in this book left unspoken for us to discover on our own- I love working with this stuff!

exactly, that's what I'm doing.

[Clifford-D]

Originally Posted by kimock

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Steve, that's an old one

I watched you playing some chord melody before a show where it looked like
you were playing four note chords and moving like one or two voices in the cluster.
It looked so economical.
Some of the moves in the book reminds me of that movement you did (do).

[kimock]

Originally Posted by Clifford-D

Steve, that's an old one

I watched you playing some chord melody before a show where it looked like
you were playing four note chords and moving like one or two voices in the cluster.
It looked so economical.
Some of the moves in the book reminds me of that movement you did (do).

Stack of 4ths, E A D G, with the G on the E string 3rd fret.
Keep that top voice G and slide the stack 'o 4ths up one half step: F Bb Eb G

Right? So I'll target the E minor pentatonic up the first string and hang that stack, all 4ths first, then the 4ths up a half step with the same top voice on each pitch up that scale.

I think that's what you saw.
Not hip to the book you've got there, but it sounds like some deep fun.
Keep it up!

[papablue]

Agree w/ Steve.
I've been using these in so much of my playing...love that sound.
I thought I read somewhere that McCoy Tyner used them alot in his comping, as well as plenty of others, and now mine as well. Great for outlining chord melodies as well. Sorry to derail.