Prototype delay pedal questions/survey

[Fuchsaudio]

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

[slopeshoulder]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

pretty slick posting it here and putting the onus on mods to move it.

anyway, I say just make a skreddy echo for 1/3 less and available immediately because otherwise it's perfect.

[blood5150]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? "NOT REALLY"

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? "YES"

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). "VARIABLE FREQ AND INTENSITY"

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? NO. ONE SECOND OF PRISTINE DELAY IS FINE

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? WOULD BE NICE

• • True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? TRUE BYPASS

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? FOR SURE WITH LEVEL CONTROL

See CAPS above - Im in North Jersey if you need a beta tester...

Here is are some vids of me demoing a Eventide Pitchfactor.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC1v-lNMrcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_KE4...eature=related

[coolhand78]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? No

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? Nope sorry...

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? Yes

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? Yes

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] External is always better...

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? For me 1 sec is ample time... i'd even be happy with less time... like 800ms or so...

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? Maybe

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? Selectable, I dont always like some manufatures buffers... but true bypass has to be true bypass ie. nothing in the signal path at all... (not like the strobostomp or "true hardwire bypass)

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? Definitely, also the delay should split the signal at the input and then blend the repeats back in at the output (like a mixer) so as to not affect the original signal... and no AD/DA on the original signal need to keep it as pure as possible!!!

hope this helps, the last part is by far the most important to me... but to be honest i think i've pretty much just described the Memory Lane...

[Fuchsaudio]

Thanks guys, keep the (positive) answers coming !!

A points of interest: The analogue and delayed signal will mix after the delay, so the incoming dry signal remains pure. My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ? Assuming the dry signal passing through is pure enough and not true bypass, the input to the delay line could be stopped to allow this...just thinking out loud here.

Good feedback guys thanks.

[goldie-gold]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?
Yes, very much so for me. In fact, just line level is fine by me!

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?
Pretty much, although flexibility to get more 'far out' is good.

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).
I'd like both.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?
1 second is enough for me.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?
Yes I want, need and would use them.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?
Selectable is good.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?
Yes to separate and with a level control.

Hope I helped!

[Sofus]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?
For me: yes

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?
Yes and now - I wish somebody had a delay times and levels - where I could have "Chorus" on one a shorter one and "wow & flutter" on the a longer one. I would use the long one for leads and the shorter ones for "reverb" - if the modulation could be stomped in and out it would be perfect (for me).

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).
Just intensity would be cool with me.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]
Internal acceptable for me.

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?
Second is more than enough for me, how I use it.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?
Switch to go from "clean" to "dirty" repeats would be enough.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?
True bypass ... but I am using a buffered switcher/combiner ... when taking it off the board, I prefer true bypass.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

[Marzio]

Is it going to be an analog delay?

Tone control for repeats a definitive yes!

[Hiwatt Bob]

here's my take--there are already enough cool delays out there. do something a little off the beaten path--i've been waiting for someone to make a pedal version of a binson echorec.

[Unadan]

I prefer analogue delays to plain analog.

[Jahn]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? If it can be used in the Guitar chain without crapping out with a loud or distorted signal being fed into it, that's the ideal, and thus no need for loop use.

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? Nope. But for intensity, just make certain the modulation doesn't get louder than the repeats of course. Ideally the modulation volume level should be able to be set independently of the repeat volume level.

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? There are two distinct goals of modulation from a delay pedal - to help a background-type tape echo emulation sound real, and second to contribute to a bucket brigade DMM-type up front freakout. Both should be available to be ideal.

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). oops, looks like you addressed my previous answer. yes, intensity control is a must, fixed frequency is fine.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] internal control of this is fine.

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? one second is still double the short repeats of a bucket brigade, so that's more than enough. any more and folks should just get a digital delay (or a traditional "digital delay" as your pedal might be digital, but be made to sound analog, who knows). i'd rather keep the wider bandwidth.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? this would actually be cool. one of the main things folks compare delay pedals for is the "darkness" or "clear quality" of the repeats. So to be able to control that would be nice.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? hey if you can make it selectable, great. otherwise, true bypass is fine, unless you need a buffer to be able to control that hot guitar signal coming in.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? definitely an option to choose mono (dry/delay in one mix) or stereo (when two outs both plugged in, one is dry, other is delay) - don't forget to have stereo ins as well, for the chorus and flangers and other modulating pedals in front of the delay in the chain. Level controls for coming in and going out would be ideal, but if not, just try to have the same output level as coming in, but without crapping out if the input signal is coming in hot.

[Jet Age Eric]

>Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

No.

>Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

No (I don't like modulation)

>Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

If ALL it did was simulate tape, I might use it.

>Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).
[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

I could live with fixed freq AS LONG AS I COULD TURN IT OFF.

>Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

No, I want max. fidelity.

>Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

Ideally, no. Unless it was too dark.

>True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

True bypass.

>Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

Please, no! I adore the sound of my T. Rex, and the only reason I consider getting rid of it is I hate having tot weak the output whenver I tweak the mix. The input idea above is actually really good.

Might this thing have tap tempo? Fidelity (or at least sound quality) and tap are the two things I want.

Good luck! -E

[blood5150]

Originally Posted by Fuchsaudio

My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ?

I would like trails personally, its more of a natual degradation of the effect.

[Jahn]

can you do trails on/off? if not, leave it trails on.

[treeuh]

for me, external tap-tempo is a MUST in a delay pedal... at the very least it should have a switch built on, but external is preferred...