My '96 PRS Custom 22 needs a face lift and an attitude adjustment. Suggestions?

[G'OlPeachPhan]

I've got a BEAUTIFUL vintage yellow '96 custom 22 w/ a 10 top, birds, stop tail, dragon pickups, wide fat neck, ets.... it's a beautifully resonant and lightweight guitar, and it plays like no other PRS I've ever laid hands on. The problem? It doesn't sound near as good as my cheap Jay Turser ES-335 copy with Wagner Crossroads pickups in it, and for that reason I hardly ever play it any more.

Rather than sell the guitar (it has MUCH sentimental value to me for reasons I won't get into), it's time to modify the guitar to make it sing better... I've now had the guitar for 8 years, so we're to the point in our relationship where I'm not afraid to get out the soldering iron anymore (normally I save modifications for my cheap guitars). It's just a shame to leave such a beautiful axe hanging on the wall all the time... SO -

I've already got instructions on how to install the 3-way toggle, so no problem there... but I still need a pickup suggestion --

Since I've already got PAF style Wagner Crossroads in my 335 copy, I'm thinking it might be nice to go with something like the Harmonic Design Z-90's, or the TV Jones TV'Tron Classic or Plus. I'd like tone with chime, sparkle, detail, and openness.

Thanks for any suggestions.

[Ced777]

How does sound the Crossroads if you play "high gain" stuff (think hard rock of the early 90's)? I think to change the PUs on my Custom 22 for a pair or DarkBurst (close to the Crossroads)?

Ced777

[G'OlPeachPhan]

I have no idea... I don't own any amps I'd consider to be high gain. Certainly nothing that does a Mesa Recto or Peavey 5150 sound. That's not really my thing... my "highest gain" is a Keeley RAT through my Dr. Z Ghia, so I'm sorry, but I can't really be of too much help there.

The Fillmores are the hotter wound pickups that Wagner makes.

[Ced777]

I have some worries: Jim told me he makes only std spaced PU. But my PRS has a trem and the bridge slot is F-spaced. I don't know if yours (with hard tail) is F-spaced (52mm) or std spaced (48mm) and if you got trouble with the bridge PU concerning spacing.
I fear to order something from WCR ...

Ced777

[908SSP]

I have a custom 24 10 top violin burst beautiful to look at. Just don't care for the sound. The 5 way seems like a total waste simply not enough difference in the sounds through a Marshall you can hear difference with my Vibroverb but it is pretty mild. Sounds too muddy with the Marshall or the Maven Peal sounds decent with the AC-30 and the Fender. Which leads me to believe the pickups are just too powerful or too bassy. My LP with Rolphs and my Parkers with DiMarzios sound much better wide frequency response nice articulation good upper mid and high end sounds with all my amps.

Does that sound kind of like your issue with your Custom 22?

I don't really care to try a bunch of different pickups so if anybody felt the same way as I do what pickups did you end up with?

[Jim Collins]

Originally posted by Ced777
I have some worries: Jim told me he makes only std spaced PU. But my PRS has a trem and the bridge slot is F-spaced. I don't know if yours (with hard tail) is F-spaced (52mm) or std spaced (48mm) and if you got trouble with the bridge PU concerning spacing.
I fear to order something from WCR ...

Ced777

Your PRS has F-spacing? This would would be unusual. The normal PRS trem is not F-spaced. It uses standard spacing.

[Ced777]

I confirm: my PRS CU22 with trem (the PRS trem), is F-spaced. PRS use PUs with spacing of 50mm, just between F-spaced (52mm) and standard spaced (48mm). So they can fit in both guitars with hard tail or trem. But the distance between high E and low E is 52mm (F-spaced).

Ced777

[G'OlPeachPhan]

Originally posted by 908SSP
I have a custom 24 10 top violin burst beautiful to look at. Just don't care for the sound. The 5 way seems like a total waste simply not enough difference in the sounds through a Marshall you can hear difference with my Vibroverb but it is pretty mild. Sounds too muddy with the Marshall or the Maven Peal sounds decent with the AC-30 and the Fender. Which leads me to believe the pickups are just too powerful or too bassy. My LP with Rolphs and my Parkers with DiMarzios sound much better wide frequency response nice articulation good upper mid and high end sounds with all my amps.

Does that sound kind of like your issue with your Custom 22?

I don't really care to try a bunch of different pickups so if anybody felt the same way as I do what pickups did you end up with?

My findings are identical to yours... if I played nu-metal through a recto or 5150 I'd probably love the PRS pickups, but I don't... I play classic/retro/roots rock through a Dr. Z Ghia.

Yes, the pickups are too powerful, and lack soul. They are OK through my Ghia, but through my tweed Champ clone the guitar is USELESS. The 5-way rotary is clumsy and unnecessary.

Does anyone have a suggestion related to good pickups for a PRS? I really love the Wagners, but I want something different this time I think.

[G'OlPeachPhan]

Oh to hell with it. I just ordered a set of Goodwoods from Jim, and a McCarty-style wiring harness from RS Guitar Works... I know Wagner pickups are great, so I'm not going to take a chance on something I haven't heard.

[908SSP]

When you get it done let me know how it turned out. I had Proco over today and he explained the McCarty switching and I think I will do that too. So I am curious how you like your pickups which models exactly did you order?

[G'OlPeachPhan]

goodwoods - not as hot as fillmores, but hotter than crossroads, and thicker than both. Jim thought these characteristics would lend themselves perfectly to coil splitting... Roy at RS Guitar Works told me that they've installed Goodwoods with McCarty switching into many PRS 22's and 24's and that the results transform the guitar in a very positive way.

McCarty switching makes a lot more sense to me both mechanically with the 3-way toggle as opposed to the clumsy rotary, as well as tonally as I value the McCarty standard single coil sounds far more than the in-between single coil sounds of the 5-way rotary.

The RS Guitar Works wiring harness is supposed to feature higher quality components than the stock PRS McCarty setup, as well as an optional mod to the volume pot that retains highs when the volume is rolled back (which I'll definately be installing).

I'll make sure to post results.

[Greg]

Does the McCarty-style harness require modifications to the guitar, if you're changing over from the 5-way rotary?

[G'OlPeachPhan]

Yup... got use a wood ream to make the rotary hole just *slightly* larger. You can always use dental tape on the post of the rotary pot if you want to reinstall it someday...

[908SSP]

Hey G'Ol
Did you order or receive your conversion? Is it all coming from one source and is it partially assembled or do you do it that yourself? Are the pickups part of the kit or can you order the complete switching kit separate from the pickups?

[G'OlPeachPhan]

Hi Alex,

The pickups come from Jim Wagner who owns/runs WCR Pickups. He referred me to Roy at RS Guitarworks for the wiring kit...

The wiring kit comes with a schematic and instructions, but you have to do all the installation and soldering yourself. I suppose you could order the kit and the pickups and bring it to a local guitar tech to do it for you.

I'll post my results... GOOD LUCK!