what difference a speaker cable makes!!!

[JoeB63]

Originally Posted by Billm

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I tell ya, when you hear how this stuff deconstrampulates your transmagna factor, you're just gonna p** yourself with joy. It's 100 percent compatible with existing solders, so you can reconnect all your interconnected connectors. Inductance and capacitance are immeasurably low. Eutectic bonding is achieved with conventional soldering tools.

Choose vintage lead/tin for retro tone or exciting new lead-free for modern and metal.

I've heard that your solder works great for Audiophile applications (like high-end home stereo), but mine is specifically tuned to guitar-related applications. Your solder is best for pure audio reproduction, but mine is most useful in helping you sculpt your ultimate guitar tone.

[Ud Reks]

Originally Posted by Roccaforte Amps

there's this guy:
http://gizmodo.com/305549/james-rand...les-are-better

My response, in the guitar world, would be: can someone just sell me a cheap instrument cable that sounds as good as the Evidence Lyric? I'd definitely buy it.

[gtrs]

Originally Posted by Baloney

I believe its all perceived difference. You are geared to hear something different to justify the expensive cables. You want to hear it so the slightest little twing of a half a frequency difference will get ya all jacked up.. Im not saying that cheap cables are the way to go.. Im saying that alot of things with high prices on them are just hype and perceived value.. Just my 2 cents..

Sorry man it might happen in some instances but everyone
who's heard my Vovox guitar cable has had the exact same experience.
Jaw hits the floor and they can "feel" the amp more.

Hell, my wife could hear the difference plain as day.
All she wanted was a way to justify sending 'em back!
LOL

[doctorx]

A lot of hoodoo and snake oil in this thread.

I defy anyone to prove, given that both cables are the same gauge:

• The super expensive, give-you-a-hard-on booteek speaker wire

and

• The above mentioned speaker wire from Lowes

sound any different.

[macmax77]

guys, a one foot cable .....

I can hear differences between cheap instrument cables and good ones, i even hate the old Planet waves cause i found them to be to dark, i also gave away for free a new cable i bought due to hype and it was also too dark.

But a one foot cable?
Maybe the old one was done, kaput, muerto.

Besides you are all too old to hear any difference, heheheheh
it is not like you guys are 20 years old anymore, come on!

[RussB]

Do you re-wind the output transformers with high-end wire as well?


How about eliminating the speaker jacks on the amp, and running the wire straight from the OT to the speakers, and soldered to the speaker terminals.

That should make such a HUGE difference that you'd guys would piss yourselves with mongo-awesome tone...heck, my wife's cousin could hear a difference then

[cutaway]

any of you guys dropping that kind of cash on a cable gig at all? i used to lose/trash cables on the road all the time.

[hasserl]

Originally Posted by doctorx

A lot of hoodoo and snake oil in this thread.

I defy anyone to prove, given that both cables are the same gauge:

• The super expensive, give-you-a-hard-on booteek speaker wire

and

• The above mentioned speaker wire from Lowes

sound any different.

It aint gonna happen. They'll swear up and down about how they can hear a difference, but not one of them will be able to prove it, they won't even try. Like others have posted, this has been hashed over before, no one has ever taken a challenge.

HEck, Doug R posted a link about a guy offering a million bucks to someone that can hear the difference in a hifi application. No takers.

This is all pyschoacoustics, people think they hear a difference because they want to hear a difference, but in reality there is no difference. It's all imagination. The power of suggestion is strong.

[kimock]

Originally Posted by hasserl

It aint gonna happen. They'll swear up and down about how they can hear a difference, but not one of them will be able to prove it, they won't even try. Like others have posted, this has been hashed over before, no one has ever taken a challenge.

HEck, Doug R posted a link about a guy offering a million bucks to someone that can hear the difference in a hifi application. No takers.

This is all pyschoacoustics, people think they hear a difference because they want to hear a difference, but in reality there is no difference. It's all imagination. The power of suggestion is strong.

I don't know about two exact same pieces of cable, but I just went out to the studio where my 16 year old was wailing away on one of my Explorers, and told him to shut and listen for a minute.
I took my stock '60 something Fender Mustang and plugged it into a stock '60 something Dual Showman thru a stock '60 something Fender 2x12, and swapped back and forth between about two feet of crap Monster cable and two feet of the solid copper oxygen free blah blah blah, and made him listen.
Just to piss dad off he picked the monster cable 20 times out of 20.
I asked him why and he said "I don't know, I just like it better".
I liked the other stuff better.
You would have to be deaf not to hear the difference, and apparently you would also have to be nuts to think that everybody would prefer the same thing . . .

[cutaway]

Originally Posted by kimock

You would have to be deaf not to hear the difference

post some clips then

[bkd_guitarist]

Originally Posted by Billm

I tell ya, when you hear how this stuff deconstrampulates your transmagna factor, you're just gonna p** yourself with joy.

I appreciate your offering this high-end solder as a public service, but please, let's be technically correct: it deconstrampulates the cahootenvalve. Not the transmagna.

[peterdjp]

People who say you can not hear a difference in speaker cable have not listened to different cables with this type of OD circuit... period. You do not know what you are talking about.
On some other type of circuit or a clean amp maybe but on an ODS type amp you can EASILY hear a BIG difference in the different speaker cables.

If you have not A/B'd these type of speaker cables on these type of amps please save your thoughts for the I haven't tried it but I don't like booteek gear threads. They are all made from different types, sizes of copper different types of shielding. That argument is like saying all guitars sound the same because they are all made from wood.

I have A/B'd A number of 2-3' speaker cables and you can hear a difference in each one. I love the EA Lyric HG for guitar but did not care for the Siren, not enough bass.
The Cardas Crosslink was a bit bass heavy. The Kimber was very nice the Canare was my favorite and it's the LEAST expensive. It's like 30.00

I Also liked the Canare best in the loop as it has plenty of mids and smooths out the tone nicely. Conversely The Lave ELC also not an expensive or in my book even Booteek cable has too low a capacitance for MY particular application in the loop of an ODS type amp.
The Canare is cheap and sounds great, you can hear the difference. Did not like it so much for guitar cable however.

These are my real world A/B experiences. The difference in tone is comparable to swapping preamp tubes. Does it sound like a different amp ? No.
can you clearly hear a difference in treble mids and bass from cable to cable ? You most certainly can.

Some of these cables are out of my price range. but for 30-50 bucks it's worth a listen.

cheepo cables are not made the same, they don't sound the same.
Look:

[RussB]

Originally Posted by peterdjp

They are all made from different types, sizes of copper different types of shielding. That argument is like saying all guitars sound the same because they are all made from wood.

That's an instrument cable, not a speaker cable

How many different types of copper are there?

[fullerplast]

This thread is about speaker cables. Big difference from guitar cables, so don't extrapolate experiences...it's meaningless.

There are only three significant attributes to any cable: resistance, inductance, and capacitance. In any decent speaker cable, all three are vanishingly small, so small that they can be considered insignificant relative to the very significant resistance, inductance, and capacitance of the wire in both the output tranny and the speaker.

Since this is hardly rocket science, any reasonable explanation must include a model that characterizes the difference between two cables in terms of R, L, and C. In the absence of any theory, then a repeatable double blind test should be documented until such time that theory can explain the difference. At a minimum, and assuming we are not all in the same room, recorded versions of both that allow a listener to choose one or the other would be helpful. Without any of these, it really is impossible to have a truly convincing position that a difference exists.

Not that it matters, unless the end user wants to convince anyone besides himself.

[kimock]

Originally Posted by cutaway

post some clips then

I don't do clips.