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Old 08-04-2009, 02:41 PM
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Troubleshooting Head/Cab Problem

I recently bought a Jackson 4x12 cab from my neighbor, from the early 90s. It's in pretty good shape, it was just really dusty when I got it.

Anyway the main reason I bought it was for something to plug my Crate Blue Voodoo head into, but ever since I've been playing through the cab I've noticed not only a volume drop but also severely reduced bass response compared to the Carvin 2x12 combo I used to plug the Crate into. This seems wrong, especially since the 4x12 is way bigger. Incidentally, around the same time I got the new cab, I replaced V2 in the Blue Voodoo with a 12AT7 and the PI slot with a 12AU7. I'm pretty sure that's not the source of the problem...

So my big question is: is there a problem with the cab or the head? Which is more likely? I'm thinking it's probably power tubes since the head is about 2 years old and I've never replaced them. I suppose it could be the cab, but I have no way to check since the BV is my only head...

Any ideas? Any advice?

Thanks!
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:16 PM
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Dont be so sure about the 12AU7 in the PI-thats a pretty hefty reduction in gain. (100mu for a 12AX7 and only 20 mu for a 12AU7.) Swap it back out with a 12AX7. Also make sure the 12AT7 is good too. Bob
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:30 PM
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Ohhhh, ok. I really didn't know it was that big of a difference.

Could that explain the bass reduction, too? (If that's the problem)

BTW, the two tubes I put in the amp were bought brand new.
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:23 PM
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Ohhhh, ok. I really didn't know it was that big of a difference.

Could that explain the bass reduction, too? (If that's the problem)

BTW, the two tubes I put in the amp were bought brand new.
Yep If a 12AX7 is 100% gain then ...

5751-70%
12AT7-60%
12AY7-45%
12AV7-40%
and lastly
12AU7-20%
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Old 08-04-2009, 06:13 PM
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Put the right tubes in your BV head, and make sure the inmpedance of the cab matches your amplifier
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:08 PM
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Put the right tubes in your BV head, and make sure the inmpedance of the cab matches your amplifier
Sorry, but what do you mean by "the right tubes"? And the impedance does match (I'm pretty sure, anyways)...

Lemme make sure on that - the Jackson cab says "16 ohms stereo" on the back, so does that mean I flip the switch on the head to 8 ohms or 16? I kind of assumed it was supposed to be at 16 ohms, but I may be wrong...

Also, I might consider swapping that 12AU7 in the PI slot to an AT7 or maybe even back to an AX7. Would that help things?

Thanks for the help! I don't know a whole lot about servicing amps/figuring out what's wrong with them. :P
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Old 08-05-2009, 03:22 AM
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He means put the type of tubes it calls for back in. In the case of the Blue Voodoo Im pretty sure thats all 12AX7's. I already stated the swap to a 12AU7 in the PI is probably the culprit. Its simple enough to go back to what its supposed to take and find out. FWIW-If your not sure about tube substitutions dont try them. With 12--7's its usually harmless but with power tubes it might cause damage so if your not sure its best you dont try things.

Not sure about the cab impedance. From the sound of it it seems like it would be 8 ohms mono and 16 ohms stereo(or per side). If you flip it to 8 you can check it with a multimeter. The resistance should read about 6-7 ohms for an 8 ohm impedance and 14-15 for a 16 ohm impedance. Match the amp selector to which ever youve got. Bob
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:35 AM
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He means put the type of tubes it calls for back in. In the case of the Blue Voodoo Im pretty sure thats all 12AX7's. I already stated the swap to a 12AU7 in the PI is probably the culprit. Its simple enough to go back to what its supposed to take and find out. FWIW-If your not sure about tube substitutions dont try them. With 12--7's its usually harmless but with power tubes it might cause damage so if your not sure its best you dont try things.

Not sure about the cab impedance. From the sound of it it seems like it would be 8 ohms mono and 16 ohms stereo(or per side). If you flip it to 8 you can check it with a multimeter. The resistance should read about 6-7 ohms for an 8 ohm impedance and 14-15 for a 16 ohm impedance. Match the amp selector to which ever youve got. Bob
Thanks for the help, and sorry for being such a n00b about this, but it's my first tube amp so I'm just getting used to these things. As soon as I get some free time I'll switch the 12AU7 back to a 12AX7 and see what happens. I haven't changed the power tubes - I know better than to do that because I'm really unqualified as far as biasing and what not. I was pretty sure (from reading reviews and other people's experiences) that swapping out a few tubes for lower gain ones would help the "overwhelming gain" problem on the BV, but maybe I just went too low gain with the 12AU7...

I'll have to check on the cab. I don't have a multimeter, but IIRC it can't hurt the amp (or the cab) if I switch the impedance on the amp to 8 ohms and that's the wrong impedance... right?

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Old 08-06-2009, 09:21 AM
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I swapped the 12AU7 I had in the PI slot back out with a 12AX7 last night, and it made some improvement, but not much... I think I'll try the head with my old cab again and see what I actually remember being different about it. It's been a while, so I could just be remembering wrong...

Is it at all possible that it'd be power tubes? And how could I check?
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