"Holy Grail" Amp Help Needed!

[690MBCOMMANDO]

Hey Gang -

I need your help here. Looking for the "Holy Grail" modern amp to pair up with my PRS with 57/08's that is:

- A Combo
- Lighter weight (<50 lbs ideally)
- Can do the early Creed, Matchbox 20, etc. sound and sounds great and articulate even at high gain
- But can sound good when rolled back and cleaned up (but not necessarily as good as a the "Holy Grail" Blackface
- Must take pedals well
- Assume price is not an issue (dream big!)

I play through a Vintage Blackface Deluxe Reverb and it's killer for those cleans and mids, but that high gain clarity is kinda not it's sweet spot

Thanks in advance!

[690MBCOMMANDO]

bump?????

[flcmcya]

Nobody replied 690 because were all still looking!

I have 12 Heads and shopping which is nothing on this site !

[Songman]

Tone King Metropolitan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MdgFpC16E

[LSchefman]

Like the Holy Grail of legend, a single "holy grail" amp does not exist. There are lots of great amps, each capable of doing its own thing, and you have to experiment.

Remember also that the tones you hear on records have usually been run through different microphones, different mic setups, different preamps, many signal processors such as EQ, multiple compressors and limiters, etc., and that these things HUGELY affect the tone you hear on recordings, as do the usual multiple layers of guitars, and so on. This is especially true of modern recordings of bands like the ones you mention.

Not to mention the obvious things, like pedals.

So you may (or may not) be searching for a tone that you can't get with a real amp unless you're in the recording studio with all of the processors available.

That's why there's no holy grail out there.

Unless the Knights Templar found it and hid it in Rohnert Park, CA...

[Randy]

Most modern high gainers are heads, not combos. I would check out the Bad Cat Hot Cat and Lynx which fit your description, except that they are not light weight.

[reddgeetarzan]

Originally Posted by 690MBCOMMANDO

Hey Gang -

I need your help here. Looking for the "Holy Grail" modern amp to pair up with my PRS with 57/08's that is:

- A Combo
- Lighter weight (<50 lbs ideally)
- Can do the early Creed, Matchbox 20, etc. sound and sounds great and articulate even at high gain
- But can sound good when rolled back and cleaned up (but not necessarily as good as a the "Holy Grail" Blackface
- Must take pedals well
- Assume price is not an issue (dream big!)

I play through a Vintage Blackface Deluxe Reverb and it's killer for those cleans and mids, but that high gain clarity is kinda not it's sweet spot

Thanks in advance!

Budda maybe? Some type of Marshall can get you close- JTM30 or 60....or maybe a Vintage Modern 1x12? Jubilee 1x12?

[TNJ]

Louis KR12?
Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R 112 combo?
Bogner Shiva 112 combo?
Tone King Metropolitan?
Dr. Z Maz 38 Sr.?

S.
j

[daddyo]

I'd say Mesa Electrodyne combo but I know that it doesn't weigh under 50 lbs.
The combination of high gain and clean means beefy transformers so I'd change that criteria.

[ronmail65]

What about amp features? That a major factor. Do you need independent channels, an F/X loop, reverb, etc...?

[690MBCOMMANDO]

Originally Posted by TNJ

Louis KR12?
Bad Cat Hot Cat 30R 112 combo?
Bogner Shiva 112 combo?
Tone King Metropolitan?
Dr. Z Maz 38 Sr.?

S.
j

Several of those are on the short list. Reverb and FX loops are nice to haves, but not a must.

[Section10]

If you want excellent clean with modern AND classic higher gain distortion, ive only found one amp so far.

Egnater Tourmaster.

UNBELIEVABLE. I would really like a smaller size so im currently looking into the Rebel 30 cubish size. But im not sure if it sounds as good as Tourmaster, played it twice today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoTWgtjNBr8

(skip to 2:00 to playing if u want)

[Jay Strange]

Originally Posted by 690MBCOMMANDO

Several of those are on the short list. Reverb and FX loops are nice to haves, but not a must.

The KR12 is by no means a modern type high gain, way to much sag
and vintage voicing.

I'd say a Mesa Roaster 1X12 combo but they're heavy.
.

What I'd be really interested in is the new high gain Bogner Duende 1X12
with EL34's

As well as the new 20th Annie Shiva.

[Reason]

May I?

Check out this amp. Skip ahead to 1:30 to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XpZCUHoExs

[690MBCOMMANDO]

Originally Posted by Reason

May I?

Check out this amp. Skip ahead to 1:30 to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XpZCUHoExs

Nice man!