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Old 10-25-2009, 10:47 PM
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Difference between Celestion CL80 and G12-K100?

Besides power that is. How do they differ soundwise? From what I've gathered they would seem fairly similar sounding (?) but I haven't really found much on the G12-K100.

I already have the more vintage style types covered (GB and G12H30) and now I'm looking for something of higher wattage that could serve as a multi-purpose speaker, with a more neutral EQ, likely to go in a closed back 1x12". Looking for note definition and clarity. Weight keeps me away from something like an EVM12L. Thanks!
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:05 AM
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:43 AM
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the k100 i heard sounded more like a v30 with more solid bass. the cl80 sounds much flatter to my ears, with a more natural midrange instead of a forward one.
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Old 10-26-2009, 01:36 PM
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the k100 i heard sounded more like a v30 with more solid bass. the cl80 sounds much flatter to my ears, with a more natural midrange instead of a forward one.
The G12K-100 you heard must have been damaged or something. I cant stand the V30. I really like the G12K-100 though.

I havent heard a CL80 in years but I suspect they sound similar to a G12K-100 from descriptions of the CL80 Ive read. The G12K-100 is fairly balanced-no annoying spikes or humps that is. Solid tight bass,strong mids and an even high end that isnt bright. One of my faves. Bob
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:03 PM
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Thanks both for the replys. I'm not looking for the V30 sound at this time so I'd be interested in the K100 if it's in fact more like the CL80, but maybe with more low end due to the higher power (?).

Bob, Celestion advertises the K100 as a metal speaker although it seems not by what I've read so far ... how's it really for lower gain ... classic rock / hard rock stuff?
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:21 PM
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Very nicely. Thats what I use mine for-classic and hard rock! Its definately nothing like a V30 and yes I imagine more like the CL80. (I really dislike the V30)Bob
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:29 PM
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:58 PM
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I actually have the Warehouse Speakers versions of both the Vintage 30 (Vet 30) & the Celestion CL80 (Lead 80). I run them both in an open back 2x12 Avatar cab w/ my Heritage Colonial ( think Hiwatt 50 loud & clean) head. I really like Lead 80 for cleans, as the 30 seems to breakup at lower volumes. By the way I use to use 2 EV12L's and have tried Jensen Neo's, Emininence Neos, Swamp Thang, Texas Heat, etc. Try the Lead 80`s they're also fairly cheap, at around $79 new each.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:15 PM
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Price check....? I think the CL80's are more like one fitty. The G12k-100's have more mid scoop. Heavy bottom. The CL80 sounds more linear. Like not pushing extra bass, mid or treble just natural, where the G12K-100 pushes extra bass. That is how I hear it. I do have a CL80, V30, and G12K100, if that matters. I usually run G12-100 in the bottom and a V30 in the top of my upright 2 x 12" cab. That gets nice bottom and articulate highs.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:33 PM
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Thanks, that sure helps, especially since you have both speakers. Seems like the best bet for what I want right now is the CL80 ... I think Avatar has them for approx $100 but I have to check, the $79 price is for the WGS clones I believe.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:44 PM
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Well we all hear things differently. I would think the CL80's must have a big midrange because if anything the G12K-100's are balanced (to my ears) and not scooped in any degree. FWIW- I really disliked the WGS CL80 clone. It had a funky character to the mids. There ET65 is much nicer . Bob
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:02 PM
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Here is the description, quoted from the Avatar website. I didn't see prices but if a CL80 is only $100 that is a great deal. Google shows them at $150 everywhere..

CL80 "neutral sounding speaker with tight bass, good definition in the mids and highs...often mixed with Greenbacks or V30's"

G12-k100 "A massive bottom-end, rock-hard midrange and restrained top-end make this the perfect speaker to add thump and grind"
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:04 PM
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Well we all hear things differently. I would think the CL80's must have a big midrange because if anything the G12K-100's are balanced (to my ears) and not scooped in any degree. FWIW- I really disliked the WGS CL80 clone. It had a funky character to the mids. There ET65 is much nicer . Bob

mmm yep, it's hard to reach to absolute conclusions regarding tone, still your opinions are valuable, thanks. The K100 might also work for me and it could be worth taking the chance although there's much more info available about the CL80.

As far as the ET65 I don't know if I'd like it, I've thought about that one before but I didn't like the Celestion Heritage 1265 ... it seemed to have too narrow of a range for my taste.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:09 PM
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Here is the description, quoted from the Avatar website. I didn't see prices but if a CL80 is only $100 that is a great deal. Google shows them at $150 everywhere..

CL80 "neutral sounding speaker with tight bass, good definition in the mids and highs...often mixed with Greenbacks or V30's"

G12-k100 "A massive bottom-end, rock-hard midrange and restrained top-end make this the perfect speaker to add thump and grind"
I've asked for an updated price list but a previous one from earlier this year has it for $99 + $12 shipping.

Since you have both, would you mind comparing their top end? From the descriptions it would seem that the K100 has rolled off highs while the 80 is more open but many times manufacturer descriptions are just ink on paper.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:59 PM
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Both have similar top end. The CL80 is clear. It doesn't seem to color the sound much. To me, the CL80 sounds like a Jensen C12Q. It is a pleasing sound but not much coloring of the original sound, like putting your stereo at neutral (12 O'clock).

The G12K-100 sounds more like you cranked the bass. Think of the G12K-100 to be a CL80 with more bass. This is just my opinion. I would not use either of those speakers alone. I have a Bogner 1 x 12" "Cube". I have auditioned the CL80 in that cabinet and found it to be too flat. I ended up using a V30 so that is my taste. I have Weber 10F150's in my Vibrolux and use V30's in combination with G12K-100's or C90 (Mesa's Black Shadow) which is very close to the CL80. I only described my setup to help you hear what I like. If I were going for a jazz or country clean I would get the CL80. If I wanted to hit the Fulltone OCD or Ibenaz (Keeley) TS9 than I would have a V30 paired with something..G12T75, K100, C90. I wouldn't crunch with the CL80 because it doesn't breakup until later down the road. I hope that helps you...?

PS. I also matters how loud you play. A V30 is a great low volume speaker but may not sound as good as a G12K-100 at gig volume. The CL80 can take more power and may have more headroom than the higher (power) rated G12K100. As a stand alone speaker I really like the Celestion C90 Black Shadow. It really sounds good at all volumes and is one of my favorite Celestions. I like the G12K-100/V30 or C90/V30 best in a combo but I have never owned low wattage greenbacks, gold, blue and many other speakers so I don't know what they sound like and may prefer them if I heard them.
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